Hand is not coming here. People need to start realizing that.
Outlook on '14 Class and Recruiting Question
People need to stop throwing around opinions like they are facts.
to throw around opinions, even if they are not popular.
While it may be an "opinion" that Hand is not going to end up at Michigan, it is a VERY sensible one. I would be utterly shocked if he ended up anywhere other than Virginia Tech or Alabama right now. Does Michigan have a shot? Sure. But, we are WAY, WAY behind right now in his recruitment and that is not merely an opinion.
What's the matter Braylon? Still pissed about your little bro?
Coach Mattison might have something to say about that.
How many times did we hear this about Derrick Green?
Yep. I'll man up and admit that I thought UM would never get Green until about 2 weeks before he announced. Surprised the hell out of me that UM landed him. Let's hope he lives up to the hype.
Right up until the screen rolled up to reveal a Michigan jersey I thought he would go somewhere else. He kept it close to the vest, not easy for anyone to do with all the attention.
Hand has Michigan in his Top 5 and lists Hoke and co. as his favorite coaching staff. So while its far from a sure thing there's reason to believe its a possibility. Maybe you shouldn't so matter of factly dismiss the notions of other people unless you have some sort of insider info that apparently no one else knows. Maybe you could start realizing that
So, you're saying that he should talk to The Hand?
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
just like with Derrick Green, right?
Just like Laquon Treadwell, Ty Isaac, Jordan Diamond, and Stefon Diggs, right?
Only one of those guys chose the local school...
Overall, Green listed the Hokies as one of eight schools standing out in an interview earlier this week. The other seven are Alabama, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon and Wisconsin.
"Green never professed any significant interest in VT or UVa."
Virginia Tech was in his top eight at one point, so it all depends on your definition of "serious interest." I don't think "serious interest" has to include the final three. He took visits last July and August to Georgia and Ole Miss, respectively. Does that mean he never showed significant interest in them, either? I mean, he went to VT when they were supposed to have their spring game. To me that's fairly significant.
Oh, and if Michigan has to be in your final three in order to have shown "significant interest," then I guess we can't say that Hand has "significant interest" in Michigan. After all, he only has a top five so far.
Tha tit should get very hard if you're touching it properly
You need to realize Michigan is a major player for Hand, he is looking into engineering and that's why Michigan is still in it
Given that we are in his stated top 5 and possess his stated "favorite coaching staff" we seem to be in the strongest position to nab him as any other school at this early juncture. You are just as clueless as the Buckeye fans who seem to think that St. Urban will pull in anyone with 5 stars next to their name
Lets not ignore what he said about VT:
"Coach Lawing is my favorite recruiter, but Bud Foster is my favorite coach. He's just a nice guy, and I can talk to him about anything. We barely talk about football. Virginia Tech is close to home, and they're the hometown favorite. Everybody knows that if I had to choose between Virginia and Virginia Tech I would choose Virginia Tech. Of course, they have that great engineering program also."
With our Engineering program,he has already said he enjoys the UM coaching staff more than any other,good chance at early PT its quite obvious why we are in his top 5..i think its VTech with UM a close 2
Hand has not even visited Michigan yet, correct? Nice to be in the top 5 without even a visit.
It better have at least 2 blue chip wideouts.
Here's the scholarship breakdown for next year:
You can see that 16 guys are scheduled to graduate.
Shameless as always...
ChopsBusted? He's a cousin of mine.
Well this is awkward...
I know we are not supposed to speculate on 5 years, but I can see 1 or 2 maybe in that group that may not hang around?
It is not really speculating to say that because attrition is and will always be a given in college football.
It would be speculating to say __________ and __________ are going to leave.
I think of "attrition" separately from 5th year seniors:
Attrition - John Doe, Jr LB, threw a kid through a window last night at charlies and was kicked off the team.
Whereas the 5th year discussion is much more specific and relies less on chance. Speculating on attrition is different than speculating on 5th year returnees.
Judging by the way Terrence Robinson and Khoury were handled, I don't see how some of those guys find a scholarship for a fifth year...
Isn't Jones a prime candidate to not get a 5th year (since we need to free up 2 schollies by Aug), thereby reducing the initial number of available spaces to 15?
Wasn't the 2013 class origanally supposed to be a small 15-18 recruit class?
Yeah...I want to say it was supposed to be about 17 strong about a year ago, so it's clearly inflated quite a bit. The 2014 class is almost certainly going to be bigger than 16, so we'll just have to wait and see how big it gets.
Kids are more likely to transfer in this era instead of playing on the scout team for four years. As soon as the writing is on the wall, the player is on the phone. It's just the way things are done now.
Some think it's callous, but if a coach is honest with a player, as Hoke is, he is actually doing everyone a favor. The kid goes somewhere he can play, and the team gets another scholly. When it comes to scholly counts, Michigan is "playing the game" like everyone else does, but with one major difference: they are doing it with integrity and honesty.
ala the SEC.
Does he still have a chance at getting a redshirt for his freshman year? Or was he denied and I missed it?
Nothing has changed in the Gardner situation.
Hoke needs more 2014 commits. I am in withdrawal after yesterday.
Was one 2014 commitment yesterday not enough?
...come in pairs?
Know what else comes in pairs?
Recruits who commit to Michigan early and then proceed to become Michigan Men Hype Masters >>>
Do you guys honestly think this is any different than what the commitments of any other school are doing? All these kids are doing the same thing at every school. Some of you act as if you started following recruiting yesterday.
Virginia is looking pretty good these days. I hope to get Hand from Virginia......
It is unlikely, but I would also like to get Brown and Blanding from Virginia.
Blanding's a great player that the Michigan coaching staff likes a lot. I think they will push for him. Right now, he's a pretty heavy Virginia/FSU lean, but things can always change. He wants to commit very early...as in this spring, so Michigan better act fast if they want to get in the game. I'm less plugged into the Brown recruitment.
synergy between your pic and the subtext of your comment
+1 is not nearly enough for what you caught there. Well done, Tripp.
I see what you did there. Well done, sir. Well done.
i usually trust Magnus tracking at http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/
the 16 number comes from guys who have no eligility left (and includes gardner). it does not include 5 redshirt juniors who may or may not be asked back for a 5th year (one of which is jake ryan, who i assume gets asked back, the others are Paskorz, Ash, Wilkins and Furman). there will likely be a few more leave-earlies, defections, injuries, disciplines, dropouts, etc. (hope not) before the number of schollies is final.
the low numbers are because there are 27 commits this year and 25 from the previous year, which are two pretty big classes. that means that there are only 33 spots for seniors and juniors.
I imagine the recuriting will indeed be more selevtive this year because of the smaller class size (although through attrition it will likely be more than 16). So we should focus on really high quality guys. I expect the class to resemble the top 16-20 of this incoming class- so essentialyl all 4-start type guys. If we could pull in 20 four-star plus type players this cycle we should for the next one- hopefully a little more elite/5-start talent- but that is a hard task for any proram.
I love how we have another QB taking the lead with recruiting. QB are leaders on the field- nice to see that starting for the second year in a row on the trail!
Once again the coaches have raised the bar in early evaluation/early offers. By signing day of the previous year we already have the majority of our offers out, and our qb lined up.
Also: It's a pretty safe bet our class will grow to 20+
I can answer one of your questions.
"First, why such a small class ?"
Don't say he didn't warn you. I agree with MGoShoe. I think Hand will head to Virginia Tech as long as Foster is there. If Foster retires or leaves, then we should be at the top of his list.
14 schollies left now ferns and speight
i'm sure a couple attrittions will happen
FYI to Speight -- need Wide Recievers
In regards to the OP's last question. I think Ohio's class may have a bit more top to bottom talent, but not by much, and our class is much more well-rounded. I wouldn't trade our class for theirs, thats for sure.
i don't think it's fair to bust this guy's chops. like it or not, irrational exuberance is often on display from a lot of people on this board. i remember when sua cravens mentioned michigan, people starting saying "if we get cravens and X...". same with joe mathis. the worst example was reuben foster. i mean, the fact that people started mentioning that kid as if he might come here, really just crazy talk.
There is no comparison between the Reuben Foster and Dashawn Hand situations. Foster, who had already displayed some flakiness in his recruitment, first mentioned us a month before signing day after obvious pressure from UM commits he roomed with at the All-American game. He clearly was just saying what the cameras wanted to hear, and no one took it too seriously. However, Hand listed us in a firm top 5 a year before his signing day, seems to have more of a head on his shoulders and isn't simply responding to pressure from talking heads to drum up publicity.
Clearly two distinct scenarios, and it is reasonable to treat Hand as a serious recruit. It is very early, but I would expect us to receive an official visit from him in the fall or winter.
sure, treat him as a serious recruit -- i'm down with that. but this all started when the OP essentially assumed Hand + McDowell are coming when he stated (paraphrasing) "that leaves only 12 spots". i see no basis for making a casual statement that assumes either much less both of those guys are coming. if you put McDowell at 50% and Hand at 25% that leaves us with 12.5% chance of getting both guys. in other words, odds are not with us, so why make the casual statement that assumes both are coming? . i tfrom eve
but playmakers should be a #1 priority. 16 linemen in 3 years is a solid base, but playmakers on the outside need to be there as well.
You need Linemen every year, on both sides of the ball. And not just 2* or 3* fillers.
It's hard to think about direct comparisons overall because the teams have different philosophies. We pulled in more playmakers, but you guys have the most ridiculous OL pull in America. Shane Morris is a better fit for your offense while JT is what we need. Derrick Green fits Borges, EzE fits Urban. I think our defensive haul is better top to bottom than any team in the country. The only real arguments one can make are on a few individual comparisons. Would you rather have:
Dymonte Thomas or Vonn Bell?
Eli Apple or Jourdan Lewis?
Mike McCray or Mike Mitchell?
Marcus Baugh or Jake Butt?
Suppose I were to say, "in spite of the Speight commitment, I will only truly be happy with a spate of commitments on President's Day weekend 2012." With which word does Speight rhyme?
Either by luck or by plan this staff seems to find a leader on each side of the ball early in the recruiting year (Morris, Speight) and (d. Thomas, Ferns) who then become major recruiters themselves.
It seems the connection between the members of each class (the team, the team, the team) helps to limit defections and can help in sticky (Dawson) situations.
Even better, the staff grabbed a star early from that state down south to establish a beachhead. Maybe Speight will be a beachhead into sec country.
Go Blue - in Hoke we trust
This class was supposed to be 20-21...no more than 23. Things happened, we got 4-7 more scholarships to pass out.
I really hope this doesn't result in a bunch of 30-50 year old men following Harris....