You serious Clark?
Outback Bowl Snowflake Thread
I completely agree with you. He put his head down and led with hit helmet. That is the definition of the rule
Not too much to add. I agree with many comments already made. Early on, this game could have been lost, but they fought and fought and fought. A couple of things I haven't seen here:
1. In person, Swearinger was the SEC personified. He was a clown all game and showed his character when his coach tried to pull him back and he shoved the coach.
2. I was pretty frustrated that Denard wasn't in on the first play, or that series. We needed the QB oh-noes play so badly in this game and it would have worked so well. SC did everything possible to contain Denard.
3. I am so proud of team 133. After the game we waited for the players to come out, and they were gracious and magnanimous despite having lost the game. What a great example of character for my 8 year old son about how to carry yourself.
4. I thought Gardner was pretty good, but he seemed jittery early. He settled in later.
Two comments to reiterate. The "inspirational loss" comment above rings very true. And OMFG were the jerseys awful!!!!! It was impossible to read the numbers on the field, and we had pretty good seats.
I couldn't believe that when the SC player shoved his own coach, on the field for the entire stadium to see. They didn't even take the kid out or discipline him. Could you imagine if one of our guys did this to Mattison or Hoke? In addition,I believe SC had numerous personal fouls and acted poorly all game. I asked a couple of SC fans if they were proud of that type of behavior. No response.
All in all it was one of the best games I've seen in person and I really thought we were going to leave RayJay with a win on that last drive.
With all the trick plays and everything I kept thinking about the Bourbon Bowl in The Waterboy...
"Last game of the year, can't hold anything back now"
Overall, as disappointed as I am with the big plays we gave up, I feel like we played better than we did in the Sugar Bowl last year. Sucks to lose on a busted coverage though.
Like, way better. Against a way better defense.
I am not sure if i am just whiny or if this is something many of you are thinking, but why does the Big Ten stink and why have we been bad for the past 5+ years? It is great that we are competing in some of these games, but the end result in the end is all that matters and the Big Ten just is not getting it done.
The most unfortunate fact is that the Big Ten is going to gain more revenue this year than last, so it is going to be looked at as a success. I guess I am just waiting for the Big Ten to make some serious changes in Football to materialize into wins on the football field.
And hiring MAC coaches isn't the answer.
Getting off my whining soapbox now.
favorable matchups for the Big Ten. Never.
10-2 South Carolina vs 8-4 Michigan, you would never see the Big Ten get a 10-2 vs 8-4 matchup vs the SEC.
But I guess I just expect more out of Michigan. Right or wrong that is just the way I think. I would never think that Michigan would have a bad matchup being put up against South Carolina.
Regarding the Big Ten, they haven't had consistent bowl success for 10 years, so unless they have just had bad matchups every year then the improvement is just not there.
I thought today's game was a good match up. We hung with them the entire game, and the only beat us with :11 seconds left. Lewan handled Clowney. They won by breaking a couple of big plays. Other than that, pretty even match up.
NU was 9-3 and Mississippi St was 7-5.
I just heard the stat that the Big Ten is 4-13 on January 1st bowl games in the last 5 years. That is just terrible.
By the time I was 11 years old I had seen Michigan lose four (4) consecutive New Year's Day bowl games...Orange, Rose, Rose, Rose. Bo had been head coach in Ann Arbor for TWELVE YEARS before winning his first bowl game...and he is probably the most revered coach in the program's history.
I guess the takeaway I have is that as bad as it is watching Michigan lose bowl games that they had a legitimate chance to win, they were losing bigger games than this decades ago when they were a much better team.
The Big Ten hasn't been the premier conference in the country since before most of the posters on this board (myself included) were born.
I think the Big 10 was possibly the best conference in the mid to late 90's. PSU should have won a share of the NC in '94. Michigan won a NC in '97 Both PSU and UM were solid programs. OSU was a fixture in the Top 10. Saban had turned MSU around, highligted by an upset in 1998 at OSU, which possibly cost OSU a NC, and followed up with a 10-2 year in 1999. Mason had turned Minnesota into a decent program. Northwestern won back to back Big Ten titles. Tiller had Purdue on the upswing. Alvarez had established Wisconsin as a solid program. OSU won a Rose Bowl and a Sugar Bowl. Michigan won a Sugar Bowl and the Big Ten won the Rose Bowl after the '92, '93, '94, '96, '97. ;98 and ;99 seasons.
I think you mean we won the Orange Bowl not the Sugar though.
Sorry. 503. More than a Cincinnati area code.
Yep, Don Canham sure made a major error in hiring that guy out of Miami of Ohio. And Utah fucked up in hiring that guy from Bowling Green a few years ago, too. Come to think of it, Cincinnati screwed up in hiring that guy from CMU as well.
With the exception of us and Bo (who spent 6 years at Miami and established himself as a premier coach), all those other programs are programs from conferences below the Big Ten. It doesn't matter if they whiff on a coaching hire, because nobody cares about Cincinnati football or Utah football, or their conferences either (Big East and MWC when they hired those coaches). Granted, most people don't care about Purdue or Minnesota either, but they care about Big Ten football.
So it's not really "Never hire a Coach from the MAC", but more like Brian said, don't hire a MAC coach whose team managed to get hot for a year and win the MAC, hire proven coaches instead
The Big 10 is pretty terrible at the top right now and it sucks. Glad UM held their own today, but another NYD loss hurts.
If Ohio and Penn St. were eligible this year, we would have seen more favorable matchups. As much as I hate Ohio, I think they would've beat Stanford. That also would've moved Wisconsin to a lower tier bowl which I think they could've won. O'Brien had PSU playing pretty good this year and they may have won a bowl, but I'm not real confident of that. JMHO.
It might not have changed the match ups today. A 7-5 Wisky who didn't play in the conference title game probably wouldn't have been playing on NY's Day. The only question is whether an 8-4 PSU would have gotten a NY's Day berth over 9-3 Northwestern, 10-3 Nebraska or 8-4 Michigan.
The kid cannot (yet) block for spit. SC's D-line would have destroyed him, and this knowledge was common knowledge. Hence putting him in game gives none of the deceptive benefits of a pass catching TE-- he's just a giant slow WR with good hands at this point in his career. He will eventually be very good though, IMHO.
Gardner was just a bit too up in the first half; if Tacopants existed and was suited up, we are in an entirely different situation. Another slow start against a very well-matched opponent, and we just couldn't dig out of the hole we dug. I come down on the side of Lewan clearly besting Clowney over sixty minutes, but Clowney did what impact players need to do, and that won them the game.
I agree Floyd is no lock-down corner, but I think he would have performed better than Raymon today, and would have prevented SC from knowing where to throw on every single down.
Any way that Lewan assauges the pain by deciding to stay for a shot at a B10 championship?
After going 2-2 today, our kickers finished the year 18-21. Wow. And we get them both back next season.
yeah, I think Tirico or Gruden referred to our kickers as "weapons" which blows my mind.
hit was the football gods saying "no Michigan, you did not earn that first down and now you must pay"
Clowney hit was amazing, textbook for a man of his size to get so low on Vincent Smith, all the newschool football mumbo jumbo aside (helmet to helmet).
It seems to me that this year, anytime an offense got close to a first down on 3rd down or earlier, then the refs would just grant the first down rather than taking time to measure. Almost like a second baseman not having to touch the bag on a double play.
((Never on 4th down w a change of possession hanging in the balance, however.)
Has anyone else noticed this (or heard anything about it)?
Perhaps the "close enough" first down was a misapplication of a new unwritten rule?
I do believe the coaches kept it close. The size and talent discrepancy was very noticable to me.
I really thought the defense would hold there at the end. At worst give up a long FG attempt and hope SC missed again and we get out of there with a great upset win.
It's soooo disappointing to see a Senior like Kovacs torched on the last TD play. What could he possible have been thinking? Such a horrendous day by the pass defense. Please god Hoke, recruit better DB's
The entire season was a story of coming up just a little short in big games. This game just adds to that story line
It's never good to lose, but if this is what Michigan looks like while Hoke is still building our roster, sign me up for the good times. That was a very good SC team and we went toe to toe with them. We were playing freshmen extensively on the defense, have no running game outside of Denard, Devin has played receiver most of the year, and our O-line is lousy (although they were decent today, I have to say). What will our '14 team look like? I think we may well be playing a few days after New Years Day a couple of years ago, as Hoke builds our team further upwards. Very proud of the Wolverines today -- smash mouth football played against what is probably a better roster.
I think we played well and should have won this game. It gives me a lot of hope for the future. We just have to learn how to finish games like this.
Did anyone else notice how many B1G receivers dropped the ball today? That to me was the big difference in the games today. SEC receivers do not drop the ball, period!
SEC players drop balls all the time.
PS I liked the uniforms. They were a little different, but clean looking. I think I'm one of the few that liked the matte helmets.
I couldn't see the yellow numbers clearly, and was watching in HD on a 60" screen.
I liked the helmets a lot. But my problem with the jerseys, like said previously, was that you couldn't see the numbers. I would've liked the numbers to be navy with maze trim around them.
I predicted a Michigan loss because we had so many problem issues including:
Featured RB gone and subpar back ups
Starting QB recovering from injury back-up QB with limited snaps
Starting QB moved to other position with minimal practice
No deep WR threat
Suspect playcalling from the OC
Questionable time management from the HC
weak defensive backfield with 2 season starters missing
special teams player promoted to defensive backfield
lack of pass rush without blitzes
suboptimal punt formation/coverage
I think just about every issue reared it's head in one form or another. Devin hurried/sacked & missed some throws. Interception. The running game was mostly Denard, but with limits. We couldn't get to their QB "enough". We let them return a punt for a TD. Our secondary gave up many big plays.
But I'm not that upset about this loss. Strangely, I think Al did a better than average job with plays, though I think Denard was a bit underutilized. Devin needs work but is getting there. The secondary got torched, but it wasn't a surprise (Never Forget® the sequel? )and I think Mattison was right to be as aggresive as he could. I'm dissapointed in the loss, but we played hard. Lewan looked good :-( Kicking game was great, Gallon rocked, etc.
No crying in my pillow tonight.
SC made the plays that were given to them, and we didn't. We had open receivers for long passes and missed them. We had a sack on the last drive and didn't tackle. We had good coverages called and didn't make plays.
They hit long passes in tight seams. They made a fumble out of a hand off. They just made a few more plays than we did.
In my opinion, we had a chance to win the game and didn't execute. Sure the coaching could have been better. But we missed chances that were there and they took the opportunities we gave them.
I look forward to having a better offensive line, an improved DG, and an even better defense next year. I think we will make a few more plays.
In the last 25 years, B1G Teams are 72-88 in bowl games 40 -52 in games on NYD or after. Michigan has a winning record of 12-11. They have 2 national championships with PSU getting hosed in 1994. Their worst bowl season had to be in 08 with a 1-6 record. So get used to it young ones, nothing will change considering we will always play out our area. The B1G just use they bowl games as extra practice time anyway. In the last 5 years, the B1G has a record of 14-25, 8 -18 for games that happened NYD or later.
I'll add to the pile of snowflakes.
- Borges play-calling. We had some long drives there. Very creative plays (statue of liberty, Denard running, direct snap, receiving, and passing.
- Mattison play-calling. He disguised blitzes, played a zone that kept receivers covered, did a good job.
- Hoke's guttsiness. I commented during the game that Carr never would have gone for it the same way, or done the same trickeration.
- Offensive Line. Given Clowney et al, they did a great job.
- LB play. I thought our linebackers did fine.
- Denard's play. 100 yards, very solid.
- Gallon's receiving. Boy did he ever get open. And he's back next year.
- Defensive Line tackling. They just didn't get to the QB enough.
- Devin's passing. I started counting the number of passes that were either uncatchable or close to that. I'm waiting for the UFR on this, but I recall at least 4 - 5 passes to Gallon that were off the mark, and needlessly so.
- Secondary gouged with big plays. IIRC, there were four huge pass completions against our secondary.
- Punt coverage. Admittedly, Ace is a great returner.
It just kills me that there were 3 passes where our secondary was torched, along with the punt return TD. Our defense generally did a great job. If our secondary and special teams stop half those plays, we win.
I won't say it's always the right call, or it hasn't or won't cost us sometimes....but after years of lacking it I love it. Creativity, trying to win, aggressiveness. After everyone complaining about lacking it or a LONG time people bitching about it boggles my mind. Typical fan stuff of when it works it's right and when it doesn't it's stupid.
If I had to describe Michigan fans in a nut shell...
"God dammit, Carr! Punting for it on 4th and a couple, late in the 4th with a 1 score lead! Play to win the game, not to protect the lead! You're gonna blow it!"
"God dammit, Hoke! Going for it on 4th and couple, late in the 4th with a 1 point lead! Play to protect the lead! You're taking too many risks! You're gonna blow it!"
I have a few issues with his clock manaegement, his punt formations, etc.
But I have never questioned the size of his testicles. . . XL
Looking at the roster. I'm not sure they will be. Mario can hopefully step up but doon't see him being much better than a Frank Clark type.
Roh and Campbell were not spectacular but solid. Mattison likes to rotate a lot so lossing that depth could hurt. PeWee was decent but didn't show flashes of greatness. Hopefully he can make a leap, otherwise he might just be a guy.
Can anyone shed some light onto how the DL unit might improve in 2013?
Washington 2013 > Washington 2012.
Black 2013 > Campbell 2012. I felt Black played pretty well this year and I'm sure is still getting accustomed to the new position and all of the weight he put on to play it.
Clark 2013 > Clark 2012
Beyer/Mario 2013 < Roh 2012. No Roh did not rack up huge numbers this year, but the man was a 4 year starter for a reason.
Taco Charlton is another potential DE that shouldn't be overlooked. His senior year stats were incredible and with the early enrollment, he'll have plenty of time to get accustomed to the college level of play.
Alright I have a few Michigan related questions, and it would be great if a fellow mgoblogger could help me answer them.
1- How is Derrick Green in pass protection?
2- How did this bowl game help recruiting?
3- Should we get a backup kicker/punter with Wile taking over all duties next year (saying Hagrup doesn't come back)
4- How is Devin Gardner's redshirt appeal coming?
5- Was russel bellomy ever injured like hoke said, or is he just not there mentally?
6- Is there any news on how Fitz Toussaint and Countess are rehabbing/healing up?
7- Other than Roh and Demens, who else leaves in the front 7?
8- Speaking of Demens, was he banged up early? Because I saw a lot of Ross + Bolden.
Thanks, and Go Blue!
1. I don't know.
2. I don't know, and we probably won't know for a few days. I would imagine it didn't hurt, considering it was an exiciting, close game.
3. Don't we have a couple of kickers on the roster? I would imagine we can snag punter or kicker to fill out this class if we wanted.
4. We won't know until after his senior year, IIRC, but Hoke seems sure that he will get it.
5. That's probably going to remain one of the great unanswered mysteries of Michigan football. I personally think he got Matt Gutierrez'd.
6. Not that I'm aware of. Countess should be back to full strength next year. Fitz might get a red shirt, but I don't know.
7. Big Will is gone. Mike Jones might not get a 5th year. Hawthorne is gone too.
Hello everyone. I just joined the blog, and I must say I am very, very impressed with everyone's analysis and criticism of today's game and our season.
First, I predicted a 9-3 regular season and a 9-4 overall record becasue I suspected we'd be playing a much weaker SEC opponent in the end. The ghosts of Rich Rod, the risks of all-in DROB fanatacism, and the stupidity of our coaches not to have Gardner ready to play QB all added up to mediocrity. However 8-5 mediocrity blows the Joke Rod years out of the water! The only game that really mattered this year was vs MSU, and we smacked those punks in the mouth (I know - on a last second FG - just sayin!. Iowa also needed a bloody lip and we took care of that.
All and all we played really well today. I thought we would lose by 10-20 points in a borderline blowout! I think we erred on the right side by bringing pressure in the end. If we make a sack or hit the QB a secord earlier, we might be in the victors seat right now. The odds of SC attempting a 30-40 yd FG were pretty much assured, and I'd give them a 75% chance of making it. Was it just me, or was that Kovacs that got burnt at the end today. I know he's a great story, but I have seen him fan on tackles and get burned his entire career. How anyone has him on their draft board, I just don't get To me, he's another RR joke remnant and I can't wait for him and his class of clowns to move on.
Last but not least...Hoke and our coaches. Well, compared to RR et al, they're godsends! Compared to the best in the biz...1) Jury is out on Borges - I hate the spread and I know he wants to go proset, but how he and Hoke can't see what a complete fricking joke af a QUARTEBACK DBOB is/has been/ or ever will be baffles my mind. Congrats on your personal records and ur barely above 500 career winning percentage Denard.
2) Mattison seems like the real deal to me
3) Hoke seems stupid to me. Great guy, great motivator, but dumb.
In conclusion, as much as it pains me to say, I am rooting for the 49'ers to win the SuperBowl, so Jim Harbaugh will scratch one more goal of his bucket list, and return to Ann Arbor to bring us multiple national titles. He pissed me off for a lot of his MICH criticism and blowing us off last time around, but the guy is about the best in the business and that is what Michigan is all about!
Go Blue and onto hoops!