Our response vs. TSIO response to the media

Submitted by Wendyk5 on

I've been on Bucknuts and Espn a lot in the past day or so, and overwhelmingly, tsio fans pretty much deny any wrongdoing and still stand behind Tressel 100%. I remember back when it was us against the Freep in 2009/2010. I don't recall us being so stalwart in our defense of our program. We thought the response to the actual charges was overblown (practice time? really??), but did we have our heads as deep in the sand as the buckeye fans? 

 

We also felt the Freep was on a witch hunt, just like they think ESPN is out to topple their program.  Thoughts on ESPN? Is tsio being persecuted, like they think they are? 

profitgoblue

August 11th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^

Personally, I can't let myself watch the coverage or pay close attention because I know it will only make me angry when the final decision is made.  I just know that OSU is going to escape with a light slap on the wrist and will annoy me.  This way, I won't get too invested and thus not be annoyed at the result.

/OSU jinxed!

 

Seth

August 11th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^

Ohio State fans are really focusing on the Pryor handouts, and whether it's really the end of the world that a guy gets to benefit from his talents. They also feel that losing Tressel is the worst thing in the world, and therefore more than enough payment to rectify anything.

The general Ohio State misconception is that they're oblivious to the program's role in covering up, and that they failed to act many times to properly regulate themselves. NCAA is a self-regulatory system, therefore Ohio State's defensive posture is basically like having the investigatory officer playing defense attorney instead.

The problem is undermining NCAA's easily underminable justice system. It's the cars since 2002 that never got investigated, and the 10-day faux investigation that couldn't turn up from its own people what SI and ESPN reporters found in days. It's the equipment manager looking the other way as tens of thousands of dollars of stuff disappeared from the equipment cabinet and appeared, signed,  in Rife's window. It's thinking that Tressel lying to the NCAA and then having the chutzpah to clear the players for the bowl game when he had known it all year was worth a two-game suspension and that should be the end of it.

It's not that Pryor sold autographs -- it's that the school knew all of this was going on, facilitated it, and still think they can walk away from this without giving the NCAA any more than the NCAA had in December.

Remember when the practice thing hit for Michigan, the original report was based on claims every college athlete at every school under every coach will make: the "optional" practices and workouts etc. are never really that "optional" if you want to get on the field. But our Athletic Department, knowing full well that they were getting put on trial for a speeding ticket, went balls to the wall to turn up the unsigned practice reports and simulated footballs with towels and how the confusion and decisions were made about warmups counting, and then after turning in a report far longer and more comprehensive that Ohio State's, proposed sanctions on itself that more than doubled any positive effects gained. A better example is probably the Fab Five, where Michigan itself went out and found the most damning evidence, including reporting damnable things nobody else ever found -- which is the expectation for these things, firing their head coach with only scant evidence he knew about any of it, and proposing flaggelatory punishments upon its program.

Getting back to Columbus, there isn't supposed to be a 2nd investigation after the first. The school is supposed to do as Michigan did: scrounge every corner and act as its harshest investigator, turning in a massive, comprehensive report all the stuff the original accusation didn't find. I can't tell what NCAA is doing because they're more than capable of doing an extra sniff just to placate the flabbergasted public then calling things clean. Or maybe this second investigation is looking directly at the department because they're as convinced the AD and president are playing defense as everyone over 4th grade who doesn't live in Ohio is.

bluebloggin

August 11th, 2011 at 11:05 AM ^

and the funniest (and increasingly truthful) point that the docu points out is the disparity in intelligence amongst our fanbases.  When I'm bored and there aren't any good discussions going on here or any of the other Mich blogs that I read, I'll meander over to Bucknuts and see what lunacy is being splattered over the tubes of the internet, and you know what?  It always makes me laugh.  They're not smart.  It's that simple.  

Whether it's lack of book smarts and they can't comprehend it or it's lack of common sense and they're allowing their blind allegiance to a man who has been proven to be a crook over and over, the fact that their intelligence is unable to process simple historical data is getting a litte re-damn-diculous.  Funny, but ridiculous.

Just like most Michigan fans, I hope that they get what they deserve.  If we're going to get punished for the rules we broke, I hope they do.  It's not so their program will burn and die, but because the repercussions across collegiate sports will be massive if OSU is allowed to get away with these infractions.  This also applies to the SEC schools and Oregon and USC and any other institution that is allowed to break rules because the reward greatly outweighs the risk.  

BlueGoM

August 11th, 2011 at 11:05 AM ^

Didn't Kirk H. have to move due to threats?   That should tell you plenty.   Sure we hated us some RR, and there were divisions amongst the fans and alums,  but I don't think there were death threats issued....

Also didn't the student paper at tsio get death threats too?   I know we taunted the Freep (punching dolphins and all that) but I don't recall Freep writers getting death threats.

Tater

August 11th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^

You can't compare 15 minutes of stretching being counted as "voluntary" to ten years of organized cheating.  When you add what Clarett said, which was true, to these allegations, it works out to a lot more than what happened at Michigan.  Hopefully, the penalties will reflect that.  

Also, the Freep definitely was out to get the then-current regime, and they lied to 17 and 18-year olds to get their story.  All the press is doing now is taking a great story and rolling with it.

The Freep did me a great favor personally, though: when I stopped reading them, I found out I didn't really miss them at all.  So, the Freep sorta gave me back 20 minutes of my day.