Does anyone else thing that the strength, speed, and overall awesomeness of our O-line may actually be well suited to a more conventional power run game with guys like Stephen Hopkins in the backfield? I see a little Hart in that guy.
Our O Line + A Power Running Game
I kind of think our O-line will be good regardless of the system. They aren't small, they're really well conditioned, and they're strong. It's just a question of how they adapt to a new blocking style.
I'll just be glad to see Hoke NOT duplicate RR's predictable 1st down inside handoff to V. Smith that was always good for 1-2 yds.
That drove me nuts all year!
Seemed like the intent of the play was only to run clock...when behind by two touchdowns..
I agree, but I see more of a Chris Perry in Hopkins....he's a big boy and will fit perfect in the new system...Break out year for that kid next yr! Write it down
I see him as a Chris Perry type, but faster. And agility similar to a gazelle, but only more so.
Fred Jackson? I didn't know you posted on mgoblog.
Perhaps even better is a power running scheme. I've heard comments (concerns?) that they are too small, trained for agility, etc. I don't buy it .
I'm not concerned about the o-line's ability to transition. They're big, strong and agile.
My biggest concern with the offence next season is whether or not we can make effective use of all the weapons that we have. Specifically, will the system be able to use Denard's running and throwing threats to their maximum potential.
The advantage to moving to a new system is that in the spread, a running QB has to be contained because he's such a threat to hit the home run. In a pro set or west coast, everything stays in front of him, so he's not a threat for the home run, but he's also rarely contained so heavily. So we might not see many 70 yard TD runs out of Denard, but I have a feeling that those plays where an average QB in a west coast takes off for two or three on the sideline will net us 8 or 9.
Denard wil be BETTER in the West Coast offense that Hoke is going to run. If you look back over the season, Denard had his best runs not on option reads or designed runs - he had his best runs on plays where the blocking broke down or when receivers could not get open and he took off running - i.e. on plays where he dropped back initially.
Look at Vick this past year - he maintained the pocket more than ever, but when the pressure got through the O-line, he turned potentialsacks into 7-15 yard gains. Similarly, when he dropped back and the throw was not there, he took off for regular gains. This was Vick's first real season as a throw-first QB, and it was by far his best.
I see Denard being more of a pass first QB but one where defenses will have to be very careful bringing pressure for fear of getting burned by his legs. To me, this will make Denard a BETTER, less predictable, and less injury-prone QB. Add to the mix that Hoke will likely run Hopkins or Cox more often as a thumping back, which, when combined with Denard's speed, may prove very difficult to stop. I see our offensive produciton being better, and more consistent, next year.
A side benefit - if Denard can succeed in this set, his NFL odds would go way up.
If I remember correctly Denard didn't scramble much and his best runs came on draw/power/option plays. You are right when you say he's a pass first qb. There were many times when he should have tucked, it but chose to throw. He could be better in the West Coast, but only if Hoke adapts it to him.
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if our yardage per game dropped but points increased, in the B1G that is. That could be a product of coaching, or maybe just the offense growing another year.
It seemed like the offense was a more deliberate, ball-control offense. I wish I could find an offense 'every play' post for that game. It amazed me that we didn't really see that again all year..
and most of his big runs were on designed plays, with RBs and TEs out front blocking. If anytihng, it was frustrating to watch Denard NOT take off and run when the pass was not there.
Fred Jackson said that Stephen Hopkins reminded him of Chris Perry. I can only hope so!!
No way, man. He's Chris Perry... plus 10!
Hopkins is more like Hoard or A-Train.
I don't see how our offense can't be significantly improved next year since we only lose Schilling and we have replacements for him. Denard was awfully good in his first year as a starter, and he's a hard worker. He should be significantly better next year.
Only risk on offense is growing pains from learning a new system. Sounds like Hoke intends to minimize this by maintaining some of the spread.
I will be interested to see if Hoke fattens these boys up a bit. I think he will. Getting pizza shouldn't be an issue
Smith could use some Bulking.
The idea of a beef machine offensive line/RB that makes defenses put 8 in the box (and in the middle) is enticing. Hello, play action bootlegs.
not to mention bootlegs with denard running out of them with a pump action and a 50 yd run for a touchdown!
Denard can be scary in a Pro(ish) style of play.. He just needs to learn WHEN to take off instead of throwing. cannot wait!!
That's what I was thinking. Denard on a bootleg with the defense committed to the middle.
Not only can we derive that from his negotiatiion for the HC position, but telling Denard to get stuffed is about as insane as running a read option with Threet and Sheridan.
I just have a feeling that we will see a ton of formation and a multitude of looks from Borges. I sort of hoped we would hear him going and hanging out with Malzahn this off-season. It would be nice if he could incorporate come fo those power/read plays Auburn has utlized over the last two seasons.
If Brady Hoke installs a physical mindset with the offensive line then i would be scared of Taylor Lewan and Omameh.. The spread mentality of getting to the 2nd level took some of the physical mindest out of the Oline.. they did good at what they were asked to do .. but im excited to see them when they are unleashed and allowed to really show their mean streak...something i know Molk and Lewan cant wait to do and i cant wait to see it brought out in Patrick Omameh.
Because, you know, it's a physical mindset when Omameh blocks a DT, but not when he lays out a Linbacker?
I think the point is that now our O-line won't be trying to read and react to what guys on the second level are doing. I would think it's harder to get a block on an agile linebacker than one of the big fellas up front. Now our guys can simply put a lid on the guy right in front of him and drive him in to the ground. No more running around looking for people to block, just get off the snap and pop the guy across from you in the mouth.
We did so well when we lined up in the I on short yardage situations last year that we scrapped it. I love Molk, but he has never been that effective at moving a big guy man up. RR used the same blocking scheme LC did- zone blocking. Jake Long was primarily in a zone blocking scheme and Michigan has been for quite a while now.
Can you b*tch anymore about what RR did. Maybe we should remove all the guys who came here because of the spread. Denard would have never considered Michigan if it wasn't for RR. He's gone leave it alone already.
A) I wasn't bitching about what RR did. For what it's worth, I loved his offense and thought he should have gotten another year. I'm not really interested in rehashing the past though, so I'm trying to look for positives in the future. I would suggest you do the same.
2) Michigan's zone blocking scheme under Carr and what Rodriguez did were totally different. The crux of the zone read is leaving certain guys unblocked and getting certain O lineman to the linebackers to take them out of the play. Under Carr every lineman took a guy on the defensive front and rode him 5 yards like a donkey in a certain direction. That's what Jake Long was so good at. He would ride the defensive end in to the secondary, knock him on his ass, and then pop any other defensive player within reach.
I never said they did not play with it this year..i simply think that with bigger sets and running from the I instead of the shotgun it gives the Oline more of a downhill power mentallity .. The RR offense IMO is a finesse offense..its not a grind and wear you down offense..I felt the last 3 yrs we have tried to set defenses up to open up big plays .. i never felt we were wearing a team down and making them quit...
Hoke likes bigger sets..FB sometimes 2 TES ... so IMO yes that brings a more physical mindset .. Our OLine was looking to get off blocks and get to 2nd level more than looking to drive their man into the turf ... I feel the line did good at what they were asked to do .. but i dont think they were as physical as they will be in a I formation with a FB .. if that is in deed what Hoke will do with the O .. Thats my opinion
In any offense it is necessary for Offensive lineman to be able to get to the 2nd level. In what offense is it acceptable to not block the LBs? X's and O's is not your thing.
Can't wait to see it...should be unstoppable at 3rd and medium..
I think that our o line is one of our strengths if not our strongest part of team! Group really works hard and has tons of talent! I would to agree with most of these posts in have Stephen Hopkins being the lead back! with others being change of pace backs! Would be a great combo!
damn off tackle left 40 times a game then in 3rd and long, run up the gut for freakin 4 yards. Arrrrrrgggggggg.
think our o-line will be alright,im worried about who's going to play fullback.Stephen Hopkins reminds me of Anthony Thomas.GO BLUE!!!
but I don't have enough points to start a new thread. I'm really curious how long it is going to take to hire the DC. It's essential for recruiting to get that going.
Are they waiting for playoffs this weekend because they are interested in some of those coaches?
Would Vance even be interested?
I am all over this site and I am just not seeing much buzz over who the DC will be or when. I also would love to have a recruiting update.
I hope someone would start a new thread on subject matter Defensive Coordinator!! I was wondering that also about waiting for playoff games to end to maybe bring one of those guys in. Not sure on who in nfl.... but I am still hearing Vance Bedford or Teryl Austin.
you should read one of the many threads on the lack of recruiting info currently available d/t the lack of the rest of a coaching staff to find info about recruiting.
Or, alternatively, if you want actual info, just look for posts by Tom VH.
I don't think I've missed a thread on this site in weeks. It just seemed information was coming fast and now things have really slowed down.
I'm just hungry for some info. I know guys are on visits elsewhere this weekend so hopefully TomVH hooks it up tomorrow. The DC situation is making me wonder on why it is taking so long. Hoping we hear soon.
I really do think we need a DC with defensive backs expertise, considering Hoke himself is a front seven guru..
The plan is to take them up 15-20 lbs, it was brought up in the first meet and greets.