As we know Vincent Smith has the lead to be #1 RB going into next year.Michael Shaw might be penciled in as the #2 but he didn't progress as much as we had hoped this year. Who do you think has the best chance to overtake him between Mike Cox(giggidy), Fitzgerald Toussaint, and Austin White?
Our #2 RB in '10
Don't forget about Dillon Baxter bro. The reason he's considering us so strongly is that he feels he can enroll early and start right away.
What? This discussion needs to be limited to who is actually on the team. As of now, I see it as Smith as #1 and Shaw as #2 because they're the only 2 guys that have played against D-1 competition and have experience. Since Smith started in last 2 games and played well, it's reasonable to assume he is #1 guy. Cox, Fitzgerald, and any other EEs can't be judged until we go through spring camp.
He should have considered a guy who hasn't even committed yet?
Can someone clarify this for me? Where do we actually stand with Baxter? I thought we were still assumed to be a long shot for his signature.
I realize either way that we shouldn't be penciling him in to the depth chart. I'm just wondering.
The visit made him think. Rumor has it that he thought about committing while here (the excitement of visits sometimes gets to them, since they're kids and all). He's visiting USC this weekend, which is not good for us, since he loves it there, and is committed there.
It's probably a long shot at this point, but not totally out of the question.
If he decommitts from USC, do you think Pete Carroll will ask him what his deal is?
Stop calling people "bro."
Is "Brah" a better option?
What about not using either?
my last one
The vernacular police! I think Merriam Webster might be hiring...oh wait, they probably aren't uptight enough for you.
If I can't pick Mike Shaw as the #2, then I'd go with MC (notice what I did there?). I think MC's got the physical style to complement Vincent's quickness.
I wouldn't count Shaw out yet though - I agree that he hasn't progressed a whole lot, but he's got a couple of advantages over the new guys - he's more physically developed by virtue of his time with Barwis, and he should probably know the playbook pretty well by now.
Lock the thread.
Mister Simpson? Isn't he going to be a redshirt Sr. this year?
Fitzgerald Toussaint- He has some power and he was a track star in high school too. So he has the speed also.
That guy gets tackled behind the LOS 50% of the time
I know what you're saying. The problem with Shaw is he doesn't have that "it" factor to get up field and get yards. Too much pussy-footing around in the backfield.
And that wouldn't have anything to do with the offensive line, would it?
... the other RBs run behind the same O-line and don't seem to get hit behind or at the LOS nearly as often as Shaw does. He might not be as adept as Vincent or the others at finding the holes and cutting up into them before they close.
Yeah, they ran behind the same o-line, but it seemed to me like for some reason (most likely coincidence) a much larger number of Shaw's carries ended up being disproportionately of a "JUKE 2 GUYS 3 YARDS DEEP IN THE BACKFIELD!!!!" nature than the others.
PLAYER ATT AVG
Smith 48 5.8
Cox 13 8.7
Shaw 42 4.4
Let's wait to see who our #1 RB is first.
Shaw had a couple impressive runs early in the season. He is fast and pretty elusive. If he can consistently run north and south and be decisive, I wouldn't be surprised if he and V. Smith split the carries relatively evenly.
are one smart hombre. I can see RR splitting carries between shaw/smith and then throwing a carry or 2 to Cox/Touisaint.
Not only by his play but Rich Rod said last year that he wants "11 guys like Odoms" out on the field. V. Smith definetely fits that mold.
Agree with Shaw or Cox getting the nod initially as the #2, but I'm excited to see Gallon (slot guy, but could find playing time as a RB) and Fitz work their way up the depth chart next year.
is it really amazing? Usually --and this is only the vast majority of the time, I'll admit-- forecasts are more accurate when you use a larger sample size, so "down the stretch" is preferable. But only ~100% of the time.
RB depth chart:
1 V. Smith
2 M. Cox
3 M. Shaw
4 F. Tousaint
Write it down.
In ink, not pencil, b/c that's the way it's going to be. Better yet chisel it in stone. Guarantee it.
Someone isn't factoring Paki O'Meera's transfer here.
Oh please let it happen. RR + aPAKIlypse = 10 wins and a BCS berth.
Well it must not be right, because I don't know of anybody with the last name of Tousaint.
From watching him play a bit in HS, I am fully convinced that he is a 200+ in "football IQ." He is patient, great at finding holes, even in heavy traffic, and has a good enough first step to take advantage of any running room he does find. Sometimes, he appears to disappear into the line, only to inexplicably come out the other side.
At any rate, it will be fun to watch how it all shakes out next fall.
#1 is reserved for deserving receivers and backed by a $500K scholarship endowment from Braylon Edwards.
Shaw reminds me a lot of Carlos Brown. He's a burner who goes down easily and doesn't have great vision. He still has a lot of time to develop and improve his strength, balance, and vision but right now Smith appears to have the "it" that Mike Hart had, the ability to make guys miss and get an extra 3-4 yards. I doubt he can move a pile like Mike though.
I think Shaw's north-south speed will be a nice change of pace to Smith's steady juking ability.
Shaw doesn't go down easily at all. He's not the most decisive running back, but that kid runs hard.
Shaw hasn't been judged fairly, he's been banged up a lot, but I definitely think the kid runs hard. It doesn't help when the opposing D Line has their hands on you before the ball has been handed off cleanly. As seen in the OSU game, the line just hasn't blocked well for him this year.
when hes healthy and not getting swallowed in the backfield because the line missed blocks, he is fast, shifty, and doesn't go down to finger tackles like Carlos did. I REALLY like Shaw as a RB in this offense when hes healthy and the OL gets a little better.
I'm getting tired of the "Shaw can't break tackles" meme, it's absolutely not fucking true.
i heard fitz is a monster. unfortunate he broke his collarbone
Don't tase me, bro.
Neg-banged for an on-point and humorous reference? All kinds of lame.
Next year could very well make 3 years in a row without 1000 yard rusher. Interestingly enough the only other time this has occurred since the 1960's was 96 97 & 98.
Our ground game has been humming, and that's without a dominant OL. I don't care if it comes in the form of 10 200 yard rushers.
Don't forget about freshman rs jeremy gallon, he might not be a true running back, but could see the field in a dextor mccluster type role(do it all). I remember stevie brown saying that jeremy gallon & cameron gordon were freshman who impressed him the most. Jeremy gallon is going to be a stud. You heard it here 1st.
Jeremy Gallon is going to be a stud? Man, you ARE probably the first person to ever say that. Man, lazarre11, you sure are willing to go out on a limb with your predictions. We were all doubting whether Gallon could play, but if you're right, you'll be a hero.
where smith and shaw battle it out for #1a and #1b.
I think Smith can make more out of less, but if our OL is indeed improved next year, Shaw can hit the hole hard with speed and should be more effective.
Good to have 3 different style RBs at any rate.
Hey dude im just saying, if he impressed stevie brown, that's good enough for me. He was also a stud @ apopka high.
Wait, did he really go to Apopka? Holy shit, dude. You're amazing!
Hey bro, I think you're getting crap because you're acting like a genius for claiming that our 3rd highest ranked recruit from the last class (behind Campbell and Turner) may be a good player. Well all know this. So we did not "hear it from you first".
Ding ding ding!
+1 for having an operational sarcasm detector.
Shaw has shown us I think he could be a very good back in this system. The real question is whether his last two years turn out like Brown's and Minor's in that he just can't stay healthy. So far he seems pretty injury prone and unable to stay completely healthy. If that trend does not continue I could see him and Smith getting the majority of snaps with Cox coming in to be more of a power back.
+1 for being for jersey