What's this kid's deal?
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OTish: Gunner Kiel transferring from ND
March 7th, 2013 at 9:23 PM
#302
What's this kid's deal?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:24 PM
#303
Doesn't have a big enough chest
or something like that.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:37 PM
#304
Well Dale,
they're what's called a "trophy fish", so yeah, they're pretty big.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 AM
#305
I've noticed that
Stepbrothers will always take you far on this board. . .
March 7th, 2013 at 9:59 PM
#306
maybe the "catfishing" hasn't
maybe the "catfishing" hasn't lived up to par there..
March 8th, 2013 at 12:26 AM
#307
What's your deal?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:15 AM
#308
(No subject)
March 7th, 2013 at 9:25 PM
#309
I hope he goes to IU, he'd
I hope he goes to IU, he'd get PT there and they're really starting to build something.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:56 PM
#310
Did you forget the /s?
Did you forget the /s?
March 7th, 2013 at 11:15 PM
#311
No he did not
They are on the upswing. Tre Roberson was among the best QB's in the conference the past two seasons, and in fact might have taken the crown last year had he not broken his leg in week two.
| SEASON | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | YPA | LNG | TD | INT | SACK | RAT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | 33 | 50 | 368 | 66.0 | 7.36 | 71 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 137.0 |
| 2011 | 81 | 142 | 937 | 57.0 | 6.60 | 43 | 3 | 6 | 12 | 111.0 |
They lost by 4 points or less last season to Michigan State, Ohio State, Ball State and Navy, had two convincing Big 10 wins and didn't really fall apart until Junior RB Stephen Houston was injured vs Wisconsin and had only 6 carries vs them and 4 the following week, both losses with no offense.
Prior to that, Roberson was like a mini-Denard but with a more accurate arm and Houston was on par to be a thousand yard rusher. With Roberson and Houston in the same backfield, the offense was dynamic and dangerous. Get them both back healthy this year and put a little time in to shore up the D, and I can see a 7 win season, easy.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:27 PM
#312
Flaky
Flaky
March 7th, 2013 at 9:29 PM
#313
Wherever he goes, he better
Wherever he goes, he better hope he sticks; the NFL is about the only place someone named "Gunner" could be taken seriously.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30 PM
#314
Or probably the Army.
Or probably the Army.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:58 PM
#315
Or the Navy - Gunner's Mate
Or the Navy - Gunner's Mate is a Rate, or job title.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:05 PM
#316
Or the space navy
Gunner's Mate, First Class, Phillip Asshole.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:37 PM
#320
NHL
Could you imagine how much crap he'd get playing hockey because of Mighty Ducks 2?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:59 PM
#321
Not nearly as much crap as
Not nearly as much crap as someone who is intimately familiar with Mighty Ducks 2 would get
March 7th, 2013 at 11:26 PM
#322
I was like a six year old
I was like a six year old hockey player when it came out, sorry lol.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
#323
Don't apologize. I also was a
Don't apologize. I also was a young lad when that movie came out and LOVED it. Ah the joys of youth.
PS God Bless our parents for sitting through that crap with us
March 7th, 2013 at 9:50 PM
#324
One of these ladies is named Gunnar.
I know it's spelled a little differently, but they were taken seriosly (or seriously mistaken) for about a year too. 
March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 PM
#325
You know those are Tom
You know those are Tom Harmon's grandchildren, right?
edit:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:26 PM
#326
I did not know that, but...
...that would make sense b/c Mark Harmon is also an alum...of my high school. Unlike the Nelson twins...Mark did play football and was VERY good at football.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:54 PM
#327
Just because they are Tom
Just because they are Tom Harmon's grandsons does not make them any less lame or immune from being made fun of on a Michigan blog. If anything, they should be really ridiculed for not being anywhere near as manly as their badass granddad.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:20 PM
#328
Yes.
Yes I do.
sigh...
March 7th, 2013 at 10:27 PM
#329
You are correct...
...they are alums of my high school and came back to play a concert when I was in 7th grade. That is way too funny a pic!
March 7th, 2013 at 11:45 PM
#330
ZOMG! I remember that
ZOMG! I remember that show!
Wait, sorry. I thought that was Jem and one of The Holograms...
March 8th, 2013 at 12:21 AM
#331
but then there is Gunnar Nelson
Tom Harmon's grandson. . . . eeesh.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:31 PM
#332
Maybe Kiel, Pittman and
Maybe Kiel, Pittman and Chance are planning on teaming up a-la the Miami Heat to form an amatuer version of the super-friends at some lucky school.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:33 PM
#333
Color me surprised.
Color me surprised.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:35 PM
#334
destination...
Hearing Kiel is heading to Miami oh.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:39 PM
#335
Hope he heads back to Indiana.
I'm quite in favor of IU working their way up the B1G
March 7th, 2013 at 10:05 PM
#336
I think IU is pretty well set
I think IU is pretty well set at QB. Tre Roberson should be back next year, and even if not, the guys they had this year were able to put up a considerable amount of points. I doubt he'd get much playing time.
I'm glad to see IU on the up and up, though. If they can field even just an average defense next year, there's no reason to think they couldn't get 6+ wins.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:39 PM
#337
March 7th, 2013 at 10:00 PM
#338
"Possible landing spots could
"Possible landing spots could include Ball State, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois and Cincinnati."
They must be shrooming... no way a 5 star with three years of eligibility chooses some MACtion over some SEC and B1G offers.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:03 PM
#339
I find it extremely hard to
I find it extremely hard to believe that Indiana wouldn't want him at this point. And even the worst of B1G still should be more attractive than the best of MAC.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:11 AM
#340
Roethlisberger?
Roethlisberger?
March 8th, 2013 at 4:43 PM
#341
Fair enough, but that is one
Fair enough, but that is one example from the last 10 years. Roethlisberger was the #12 Pro QB, from Ohio, and went to nearby College. Kiel was/is a 5 star QB and one of the top ranked players in his class. It just seems odd that they would assume a player of his caliber is most likely to play for one of a bunch of mac teams when he held offers from better schools in power conferences.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:40 PM
#342
Verbal decommits
I remember a while back there was an article on the board about how QBs who switch their verbal commits late more often than not end up washing out
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 AM
#343
I concur with that
I concur with that assessment, face it, if you've grown up playing football, you have a favorite program. Too many of these kids seem to think "well I'm a 5 star blue chip of awesomeness, I need to go to X school, without thinking that hey I really dont like X school", and then they end up at a MAC or D2 school.
This is why I dont like it when kids commit to a coach Vs. the school. Coaches can (and should) be a factor in your decision, just not the whole, and kids need to take into account the entire fit of academics, and sports.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:40 PM
#344
Its been rumoured for a long
Its been rumoured for a long time. I got no hard feelings, he wasn't going to unseat Golson and Golson has 3 years left. Not exactly sure what this kids deal is, but he was already turned down by an unnamed coach at a Major program apparently.
ND QB Depth Chart:
Golson
Rees
Hendrix
Zaire
March 7th, 2013 at 9:51 PM
#345
5. Crist
6. Kiel
7.
5. Crist
6. Kiel
7. Tuiasosopo
March 7th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
#346
8, 9, 10, 11
8. Lennay Kekua
9. Paul Hornung
10. Don Ho
11. Tom Hammonds!
March 7th, 2013 at 9:56 PM
#349
"already turned down by an
"already turned down by an unnamed coach at a major program"
Where did you hear that?
March 7th, 2013 at 10:00 PM
#350
An unnamed source.
An unnamed source.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:02 PM
#351
Bruce Feldman
Via a tweet
March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 PM
#352
@BFeldmanCBS: Re: Gunner Kiel
@BFeldmanCBS: Re: Gunner Kiel transferring from ND. One coach at a big AQ program told me he declined Kiel's interest last month
March 7th, 2013 at 10:15 PM
#353
That really doesn't say a
That really doesn't say a whole lot though. Just because one top program doesn't need you doesn't mean a ton of others won't. If that AQ team took another solid QB in this class and one in 2013 as well, it's possible they don't think he'd worth a scholarship.
I doubt M would want him, for example. Doesn't mean most of the Big Ten wouldn't though.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:19 PM
#354
Gotcha.
Thanks.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 AM
#355
True
It was Hoke.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 PM
#356
A five star transferring away
A five star transferring away from Notre Dame??!! That never happens.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:50 PM
#357
Yah pretty crazy how much 5
Yah pretty crazy how much 5 star talent has come and gone in the last 2 years. Luckily it seems that most of them haven't amounted to much.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:06 PM
#358
This is probably the one
This is probably the one position you guys could afford a transfer.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 PM
#359
This dude must really
This dude must really struggle with scantron tests....its A....wait (erase) D?.....(erase) C!.....(erase)....it has to be B doesn't it?
Repeat process for all 50 questions
March 7th, 2013 at 9:51 PM
#360
Could this be a record for
Could this be a record for the fastest a ND QB has failed to live up to the hype? Usually it takes until the NFL.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:54 PM
#361
I saw in an article where
I saw in an article where Kiel said he'd stay at ND until he won as many Heismans as Ron Pawlus and Jimmy Clausen combined.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:15 PM
#362
I just laughed really hard at
I just laughed really hard at this. Well played sir, well played.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 PM
#363
Love your profile pic
MMMMMM....FOOD.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:58 PM
#364
Les Miles
Maybe Les Miles will have a change of heart and give him another chance.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 PM
#365
That's who Feldman was
That's who Feldman was referring to....not!
March 7th, 2013 at 11:23 PM
#366
didn't les resign on monday
didn't les resign on monday since he got caught screwing a coed?
/s
March 7th, 2013 at 10:10 PM
#367
For someone who was so quiet
For someone who was so quiet during the recruiting process and so determined to wait it out and make a good decision, this kid is the definition of a flake.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:24 PM
#368
Michigan State thought about
Michigan State thought about it for a bit, but they decline due to having Andrew Maxwell on the roster.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:29 PM
#369
Wisconsin could use a guy...
Wisconsin could use a guy like Gunner.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
#370
He has too many years of
He has too many years of eligibility left for them.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#371
No way...
The guy who flip
No way...
The guy who flip flopped over 3 schools wants to transfer when competition hits? Woulda never guessed it...
He was supposed to be the savior of Indiana football. Wait...JK
He was supposed to be the air apparent at LSU...Nope.
Then he was sure ND was the spot where he could be the next great QB...haha nawww
Arkansas St? Build a team full of transfers and throwaways.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:31 PM
#372
He was supposed to be the air
He was supposed to be the air apparent at LSU? They live and breathe that stuff down there. That would be a breeze.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:39 PM
#373
You should know about
You should know about apparent air...only in a place like LA is it visible.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:30 PM
#374
More like the err apparent,
More like the err apparent, amirite?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:37 AM
#375
"air apparent"?
I think you mean "heir apparent" there, Hemingway.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:40 AM
#376
Hey now, after all Junior did
Hey now, after all Junior did for the team, you have no business throwing him under the bus like that. Shame on you.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#377
Why sit behind Golson?
Because you'll be the guy when Golson gets hurt.
Every QB gets hurt nowadays. The backup gets their chance. The fan base then turns on the starter if the team isn't winning. I'll wait to see Mathlete's take down the road, but my guess is ND is headed for the dreaded "regression to the mean" rather than Bama's "the exception proves the rule" dominance. Kiel would have gotten his chance at a big name school.
With that said, he's a kid and he wants to be "the guy". I don't blame him but he needs to stick to his next decision.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:54 PM
#378
Not worried, we have Rees for
Not worried, we have Rees for another year.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:31 PM
#379
http://collegefootballtalk.nb
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/moms-plea-led-to-gun...
I think we all saw this coming. I don't think his heart was ever set on ND. He basically just did it to make his mom happy.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:07 PM
#380
Gee, a highly rated Indiana
Gee, a highly rated Indiana QB who flits from one school to another and has mommy issues...if I didn't know any better, I'd think we were talking about Jeff George.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:16 PM
#381
I'm not aware of this Jeff
I'm not aware of this Jeff George story. Care to explain?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:56 AM
#382
George transferred from Purdue
Link. He left Purdue after they fired the coach that recruited him and hired Fred Akers, whose offenses tended to feature the ground game.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:32 AM
#383
This Chicago Tribune story
This Chicago Tribune story alludes to some of the issues:
Only Leon Burtnett, George's first coach at Purdue and fired offensive coordinator of the Colts, is willing to speculate. Burtnett, who remains "very close" to George, still believes George's image as a spoiled mama's boy who flees adversity is the result of shoddy reporting of his 1986 transfer from Purdue to Illinois via a flirtation with Miami.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-07-30/sports/9307300092_1_leon-burtnett-purdue-death-threats
Leon Burnett is probably right about published reports about George's mother directly intervening in his career not coming out until after he transferred, and some of the reporting very well may have been shoddy. Understand, though, that Burnett was fired by Purdue and seems to have an axe to grind. Also, I was a grad student at Purdue at the time, and from the time he set foot on campus, when he was the heralded savior for Purdue football, there were stories about George's helicopter mother complaining about the treatment of her special little snowflake and basically just making a nusiance of herself.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 PM
#384
Congrats Gunner Kiel
You have now entered Alex Legion territory
March 7th, 2013 at 11:06 PM
#385
Fort Wayne-Style Reporting...
Fort Wayne's paper makes an attempt to do a deeper dive here...(LINK)
More specifically, at the end of the article, they mention a series of tweets sent by Kiel over the last month which they attempt to tie to Kiel's considering this transfer despite saying during the NC game that it had not crossed his mind despite being closer to the cellar of the QB depth chart.
It's just interesting that, in the interview mentioned in this article, he seems to be fine with the idea that he wasn't going to see playing time this year, and yet, here he is...beginning the next phase of the journey: TransferQuest.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:34 PM
#386
I guess like Les Miles said,
I guess like Les Miles said, he didnt have the chest to compete. LOL I agree about the above comment about Indiana Football. Definitely on the upswing and I could see big things from them offensively. Indiana Defense? Yeah, no.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:18 AM
#387
This guy...
This guy was a mess even through his recruitment. He should have stuck with Indiana, since at least he would get on the field. I guess Bloomington could be his next stop.
I can't wait to see Frank Clark crush him like a grape.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:29 AM
#388
Remember when Ziel and Pike were our two top QB targets?
Maybe it's good we did not take a QB that year
March 8th, 2013 at 12:33 AM
#389
Frankly I'm surprised that a
Frankly I'm surprised that a lot of people are saying he'll end up at a MAC school.
This kid was the #1 pro-style QB coming out of high school in 2012 with tons of offers from the Big Ten and the SEC.
Yeah, I get that his flakiness is really, really unattractive, but I'd be shocked if he end up playing in the MAC or at a JC (unless he tries to go the JC route in order to play at a Div-1 school quicker).
I don't think he sniffs SEC country except maybe Tennessee, which is the closest SEC team to his home.
More plausible options imo are:
Indiana (long shot; does Wilson take him back?),
Cincy (Tommy Tubbs will need a QB after this year),
Kansas (Weis will take a ND reject any day of the week), or
Iowa (doesn't KF need a QB these days?)
March 8th, 2013 at 9:37 AM
#390
Tennessee actually makes sense...
Especially with Peyton's recent hand in some of the QB coaching (last year).
Also add Kentucky. They have a new coach who's a Stoops brother.
That said, I really like your list. Add Tennessee, which you kind of did. And I'll take your list over "the field."
March 9th, 2013 at 5:05 PM
#391
The problem with Tennessee
is that there are at least two already elite-ish underclassmen QBs on the roster that Kiel would have to battle against (Nathan Peterman and Riley Ferguson). Normally I'd say no problem, but Everett Golson was ranked worlds below Kiel at ND, and Golson won the job because of patience and timing.
Considering that Kiel has to sit out a year, while he's there waiting, Peterman or Ferguson could have locked down the starting job by the time Kiel's eligible.
You have to think that Kiel's decision is primarily going to come down to playing time and proximity to home. If playing time is hugely more important, and if Kiel doesn't get a wittle homesick, then that opens up a wide array of options.
And you have to ask: which school needs a QB not this year, but next year? That's the school Kiel is likely to pick.
However, if playing time and proximity to home are around the same level, I have to think that Cincinnati is his best bet.*
Tuberville has two senior QBs to work with in 2013 but no one proven or anywhere near as talented as Kiel beyond that. Transferring to Cincy immediately and sitting out 2013 so that he can take over as a RS JR in 2014 seems like the best plan at this point.
(*It's relatively close and has a much more open depth chart to ND. The only other plausible example in this vein is Indiana, but that hinges entirely on whether Kiel and Wilson can put the Dusty Kiel issue and the commit-decommit business behind them.)
March 8th, 2013 at 4:26 AM
#392
If Gunner
went to KU, Weis would claim he's the 3rd best QB instantly behind Brady & Peyton, oh wait, that was Brady Quinn who was gonna be that and predictably didn't/wasn't.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:08 AM
#393
I really think this kid will
I really think this kid will land at a BCS level school...This is not overly suprising given the fact that he was behind a sophomore on the depth chart. He probably wanted to play soon and wasnt going to get that at ND.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:56 AM
#394
I stand corrected
I stand corrected; Se'von Pittman is no longer the Alex Legion of NCAA football.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
#395
He is the guy you go out to
He is the guy you go out to eat with that can't make up his mind on what to order and the waitress has to come back 2 or 3 times.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:58 PM
#396
Kids a little schitzo, but I'm surprised
it took him this long to realize ND's a toilet. Good for him.
