I actually do view The Game as good vs evil.
also duty-free guys falling over and grabbing their shins
I actually do view The Game as good vs evil.
I think this might be true. I am obviously in love with Michigan over anyplace else, especially Ohio, but the rational part of me knows, deep down, that Ohioans are probably not that different from the rest of the world. The reputation that they have earned may be due to the small, but vocal, group of the most rabid bucknuts. These idiots are the ones who are so visibly hipocritical, obnoxious, & everything else we always say about Ohio. But, in the interest of fairness, I'll make the claim that there's is likely a biiiig group of legit buckeye fans who aren't ass faces.
That last part is purely conjecture, I actually don't have evidence to back that up.
I lived in Ohio for seven years. They really are different. But there is a rational reason for it.
Columbus is Ohio's largest city, yet it has no NFL team. All the fans that would be NFL fans are Ohio State fans.
You know those fans in Philly that wind up in the jail cells built into the Eagles' stadium? In Columbus, they are Ohio State fans. You know all those Steelers fans that never attended college and could care less about abstract topics like "academic integrity"? In Columbus, they are Ohio State fans. You know all those Oakland fans that take "just win baby" to heart, the dirtier the better? In Columbus, they are Ohio State fans.
Schools like Michigan have their share of non-alumni fans, but at its core, the Michigan fan base is a college-oriented fan base. Ohio State is Columbus' pro team, with everything that goes with that designation.
I dig the rationale you put forth. Environmental factors maybe do convert a larger portion of buckeye nation into turds than I had originally theorized ...
... which I personally think holds some water - many college fan bases take on some of the character of iconic, program-building coaches. So you add some Woody to the factors you've listed above.
"Would Michigan fans not trade the RichRod tenure for Meyer's tenure at Florida?"
Excellent parallel here, except RR=Muschamp. Meyer (like Lloyd) left the program severely lacking in talent when he departed. In Meyer's case, many believe (including me) that is why he left. It's amazing how he managed to solve his health and family issues in a year.
Florida will probably still have a year or two of pain until the talent gets replenished. The question is whether the Florida fanbase will allow Muschamp to see his way through. UM's fanbase did not.
And RR's talent just won a BCS bowl (praise D coaching) and the future looks only brigher. Meyer is indeed shady and he landed at the SEC school of the big ten.
No praise for the offensive or special teams coaching - or the head coach?
Wins are good, but at what cost? I would like for the program to be run the right way for the right reasons. The coaches run the program, not the student athletes. When there is trouble, the students are taught a lesson. If they are unteachable, there are consequences, ie dismissal. I would want my kids to play for a coach who is in control, and loved and respected by the players.
How would this whole "players taking complete control of the team" be much different than the former regime in Ohio?
lol that's a great collection of photos
I like all of those things but still hate OSU.
That chick is kinda hot.
I guess it's just a coincidence that the OSU chick is smoking a cigar in that picture?
A new Michigan coach didn't understand the culture and was villified for it. The new OSU coach is pretty well known to be a lying douche, and will be celebrated for it.
the culture down there and will be celebrated for it.
Agreed. Buckeye fans just want to win. The slime factor does not exist in Columbus.
Well that just proves he understands the culture
Who knew you had to win football games?
Unsurprising that OSU hired him given this. During Tresselgate, they only cooperated with the NCAA when it became clear they had no other choice. "Character" isn't exactly high on their list of qualities in a coaching candidate.
Still and all, it surprised me that being on probation they would go after Meyer. There are just too many shadows lurking about.
The frightening thing is that between the OSU President and the Athletic Director, it's not like there's anyone there that is going to keep Meyer in check. Meaning that I don't get the feeling that either of them really want to... and I'm not sure either of them has the authority to even if they did want to.
Apparently Meyer is trying to be more careful with the players he recruits now, avoiding those with attitude issues. Only time will tell how that works out for him.
The biggest problem is Urban's attitude. That's something he can't recruit around.
It's about time somebody tells it like it is. Meyer's last couple teams at Florida were embarrassments. He had by far the most talent in the country. But the Gators were a mess both on the field and off. They couldn't compete with Bama and LSU. And scores of players were arrested.
Meyer was just another Tressel. A holier-than-thou hypocrite.
if you ask me...Of course Urban continually denies EVERYTHING an ANYTHING...deny deny deny...but when you have multiple sources all saying pretty much the same thing well then.....Of course OLIEO and its fans will deny deny deny deny as long as it produces football wins...I think weve pretty much established they will Lie and Cheat and look the other way because its ALL that matters to Olieo and its fan..
Urban is dirty, hes repeatedly Lied, broke rules, had a drug and criminal infested program, kinda like Jim Tressel wouldnt you say? PERFECT fit or OLIEO
This all just reminds me of how thankful I am for Hoke and our other coaches.
Those midnight truck-tire-and-rock workouts Meyer is espousing at Ohio seem like a perfect incentive to get toasted before, or afterwards. Clearly rest and staying prepared and focused for daily classes is not a high priority.
Which is pretty sad, since none of that information is at all shocking to me. Unfortunately we all know that the guy is a complete phony.
I can't believe how big The Game is going to be this year. If Hoke and Co. go in there and fucking beat them in Meyer's first year.....my god. He immediately shuts everyone in Ohio up, and is riding a 2 game streak back to Ann Arbor. Otherwise Urb hype will be unbearable.
Has football season started yet??
Makes you wonder how bad it could have been without Tebow holding the locker room together...
I say stand by...
If Urban's teams lose, we'll hear all these bad things that happened at FL are happening in Columbus and that's why a new coach is necessary.
If Urban's teams win, he'll be the second coming of Woody Hayes and no one will care about or hear about any of this stuff just like during the Tressel era.
So, we know what the rope looks like. It remains to be seen if Urban won't hang himself with it this time.
All of them tried to discredit the yahoo story about Tressel because it was from an anonymous source.
is the 11W moderator who thinks Meyer left Florida because he didn't like the direction of the program or personnel and he's recruiting higher character kids now, so the problems shouldn't be an issue at osu. wait, huh? wasn't meyer responsible the direction, personnel and atmosphere at florida?
I've seen them blame Mattison for recruiting the wrong type of players.
Doesn't answer anything. De facto"he wasn't good enough for Urban's standards" positioning.
It's inevitable that a coach will piss some people off when he leaves a school. I've heard Kyle Turley say some pretty nasty things about Brady Hoke.
I'm not saying the article is false. Just be careful about in these types of circumstances.
"At one point during the 2008 season, multiple sources confirmed that Harvin, now a prominent member of the Minnesota Vikings, physically attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, grabbing him by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Harvin had to be pulled off Gonzales by two assistant coaches—but was never disciplined. When asked about the Harvin incident, Gonzales—now offensive coordinator at Illinois—said, “I think it’s a little overblown. I mean, every great player wants his voice to be heard.”
You know, I read that and thought to myself, "I should let people be heard more often at staff meetings...."
It's great that Meyer can sit around and talk about how he isn't concerned that he has accused of being lenient when things like this happen. The worst part of it - and the most damning evidence of Urban's management style - is that Gonzalez is implicitly giving this an OK. Obviously, if you work under Meyer, there is no sense of teamwork among leadership or, indeed, any support at all. That's just what I want in a coaching staff....not.
The thing I cant wrap my head around is Tebow.
I mean, regardless of how much salt you are sprinkeling on this story, its fairly universally accepted that Meyer is a shady/cutthroat/winatallcosts coach. And yet he recruited, and held onto Tim Tebow, the epitomy of idealized athletes.
Regardless, I find I enjoy myself a lot more being an alum who supports Michigan and is super excited for Hoke & Co, than acting like an OSU fair weather fan bashing rivals.
I, for one, do not know Tim Tebow. I did play with my share of Christian athletes who were virgins to the public but def sexing and drinking like so many D1 athletes you hear about. That is, when they weren't leading Bible study. I'm just suggesting from my own experience that perhaps Tebow has some things hidden like these other players did.
I have not been around many evangelical Christians, but I do have a difficult time understanding how a guy like Tebow - good-looking, nationally known successful athlete - can turn away the many, many women that must pursue him. Kind of suspect.
Tebow was a 5-star QB recruit. Everyone wanted him (including Michigan under Carr). He was a great fit for Meyer's offense, so it's not that shocking that he went there.
position coach Chuck Heater
That's Chuck Heater from Michigan 1972-1974! I wasn't sure, then I looked it up and sure enough, he was an assistant at Florida (now Temple).
this is the kind of article you just have to bookmark for safe keeping. Reading this thing again and all those comments 2 years from now is going to be a freaking delight.
Meyer had on average 5 to 6 players per year with serious discipline/legal or academic issues. - and many of them were starters. It's highly unlikely the methods that worked so well for him to win so many games and recruit 5 star phenoms would ever be abandoned by Meyer, especially at a Big Ten football school already long renowned for it's "win at all costs" culture and rap sheet.
See you in 2 years, damning AOL article, should another NCAA investigation not resuscitate you before then for some reason.
The fans of the tsiO, will look the other way as long as they can, but when he hasn't won a national title in the next 3 years, they'll be calling for his head. And if I was a betting man, I would guarantee that the NCAA is back in Columbus sooner rather than later. As far as Meyer recruiting Tebow, he was a huge Florida fan to begin with and Greg Mattison was the person responsible for Tebow signing with Florida.
Say it isn't so?
I take all the specifics of this article with a grain of salt. How much is legit, how much is sour grapes? I don't know.
Meyer seems to be a jumper, and this provides a plausible explanation for why. He can't sustain results, so he hits the road when things are about to fall apart, or he finds a better opportunity to exploit. Indeed, he is taking these programs for the proverbial ride.
The upside for UM is, if true, Meyer won't be around for long and when he leaves, whatever positive results he accomplishes at OSU (and I have little doubt of his ability to do so) will go out the door with him.
The trend down there is evident to only a select few i take it? Now that is going to continue in Columbus. Sounds pretty typical really. Their coaching trends have ended in disaster for decades. Not shocked. Do not give them more credit then they deserve. Wake up ohio... The last thing you need is another tressel. Or maybe it is. Depends on what side of the line you are on i guess
If you read the article one of his players is quoted as saying "He's a bad person." Thats a pretty big indictment whether it's sour grapes or not. I didn't like my HS baseball coach, but I wouldn't refer to him as a bad person. You also have to consider that fact that Percy Harvin ASSUALTED one of his position coach's and faced no discipline. Just think if a Michigan player assualted Greg Mattison or one of the other coaches on the staff. I'm actually suprised at the amount of people saying "disgruntled players: take it with a grain of salt" kind of things. However, I'm not complaining. This isn't good for OSU. If you add the fact that Wisconsin is accusing them of violating NCAA rules by using pro-players to contact recruits (and OSU is already of probation) this isn't looking good for Ohio. You would think if thy were trying to "clean up" the program they wouldn't have hired a man of extremely questionable charachter like Meyer as the coach. Ohio is officially part of the "axis of evil" of football with all the SEC schools now. Although, I hate to use a qoute by George Bush lol.
I can't see myself rooting for Florida, but Muschamp seems like a good guy and I used to wish he was coaching at Michigan and I'd hate to see him get buried at Florida because of all the crap Urban left behind.