well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Other Michigan fans in Ohio can your friends take the jokes?
My firends yes, the inlaws on the other hand NO!!!
can vomit. lol maybez they cant take the weigh you rite ur jokes lol or the speling and such-like that accompanies them. HALOL!
That just about made my coffee take up residence on my computer screen.
i was also unaware that their were 13 year old girls posting on mgoblog.
Of course, UM also has "extra benefits"---ie going to a great school and getting a real degree.
you have a point, that sprolly why tsio's benefits are cash, cars, and tattoos because they're a little lacking in the great school area.
You sound playfull and fun Lol you shood host a talegate
We just had a refresher course on what not to do on this board.
And State practice looks just like a prison break
And Leyland's out of cigarettes
As usual the Buckeye's on the make
And the iPod has been drinking, heavily
The iPod has been drinking
And he's on the hard stuff tonight
Ohio fans deserve everything they get. They are about to pay for every reference to "scUM" or "DickRod."
On Monday, I was at the local (St Pete area) supermarket and saw an Ohio license plate that said, "TAT6." I really wanted to wait for whoever it was and ask if they were glad TAT5 was already taken, or if they were going to get TAT28 next, but it was one of those Florida summer days: 95 degrees and 95 percent humidity. Consequently, I decided they didn't need my input. Besides, I'm sure they were pissed enough when the scandal hit.
Example: I was at a golf outing, and a friend of mine, who was a high jumper at OSU, was in the group. As a joke, before we teed off, she said "So we're all agreed that we're going to cheat, right?" My response: "Well, as an OSU grad, you should be a natural at that." Her retort: "Fuck."
My friends always go you should worry about Michigan and not osu and that we suck and they don't. They also don't think it won't hurt them in recruiting and that theta three star players that have recently committed are better than our more highly regarded recruits because they are going to osu and now recruiting rankings don't matter. Their snowing their most pride before the fall. Delusional and arrogant as ever. God I hate buckeye fans. GO BLUE!
"That's the only way you can beat us. By stealing our recruits."
I knew it wouldn't be long before they started pulling that crap. They had a logical excuse for the 56 times we beat them before Tressel arrived too. Now they have the, you only won because ____________ excuse in their pocket for the next time we beat them and end their cheating streak. Their BS is always well planned in advance.
In answer to your original question, I don't live down in America's armpit, thank GOD, but a friend of mine lives in Dublin which is just outside Columbus. She told me her coworkers have been walking around like zombies for weeks.
Friend of mine is an OSU diehard. Every joke I make about the downfall of the program receives a comeback of "Michigan still sucks". Sadly very intelligent for a Buckeye...
Fuck Ohio. I lived there for five years and took their shit after every loss. I'll watch them wallow from afar.
I'll take all the jokes with a smile because deep down I'd rather have our last 10 years and the 2 year bowl ban that is probably coming than your last 10 years ;) Let's be real, worst case, we get slapped and suffer for 3 years then we re-emerge as Ohio State again. Michigan has suffered for the last 3 years on their own, and didn't have a National title, a Fiesta Bowl, another Fiesta Bowl, a Rose Bowl, a Sugar Bowl, 9 wins over their rival and 7 Big Ten titles to remember while they waited. So the NCAA vacates stuff, and people make jokes about how our program was tainted and shady because our players traded jerseys for tattoos, whatever, I have the DVDs, T-shirts, newspapers and most importantly the memories that tell me we were the Big Ten's ruler for a decade, and those aren't going anywhere.
That's exactly what I thought about the Fab Five scandal we went through. After all, we had just won a national championship a couple years before. No big deal, right? Michigan basketball bounced right back...
UM basketball =/= OSU football.
Three things: 1., You do realize that you fucking cheated to get those great 10 years, right? Historically (let's say 1970-2000, in the "modern era" or whatever) your program has been outstanding, but has not been as dominant in the Big Ten as it was the last 10, don't you think? Bo won more than Woody did when they faced off. 2. Along those lines, when you say "going back to being Ohio State," do you refer to the prior 100 years or so when you were about 20 games below .500 against us, or the 1990's when we owned you, or the 1970's when we won the 10 year war...just wanting some clarification. 3. Why stop cheating now if it's all worth it? Seriously- why not just keep doing the same shit? That's the logical extension of your justification. What is "enough" for you to learn your lesson? the Death Penalty? Or would that, too, be worth it because of the last 10 years plus, say, another 7 of cheating, with another national championship before such a Draconian penalty would be instituted by the NCAA? Why not just keep doing it, and maybe even double down on it and do it even bigger and more blatantly, if it doesn't matter because some pain is worth all of the years of glory, even if there is shame attached to it? I'm just curious where the line is drawn.
and you won't like him/her when he/she is angry
He. (If the cursing didn't give it away; I should tone that down).
Your idea of cheating is very different than mine. Technically OSU only cheated in 2010, because that is the only year Tressel was proven to show that he knowingly played ineligible players. Now you can say that 28 players were ineligible druing the era because of the tattoo mess, but officially Tressel only knew about the 5 that played last season. Until other facts are shown, OSU only "cheated" in 2010.
He cheated at Youngstown, so don't act like it's a sudden apparition. When you foster an environment of non-compliance, recruits are obviously more willing to come there. It's an unfair advantage and that's why there's rules against it.
Look, we're just happy that you are now exposed for the dirty rotten program you always have been (in one way or another). No reasonable fan thinks you're suddenly a mac-level team and that Ohio U or cinci will start soaking up all the Ohio talent. But we Michigan fans strongly believe that given equal terms we can have a great rivalry and beat you more times than not. Sanctions won't kill you but look at what that cloud is doing to your recruiting already. We'll deservingly enjoy a few wins based off of that advantage and then it'll be back to normal - our preferred version of normal that is.
Wake up and smell the ashes.
Ohio State football isn't Michigan football either.
You're right, we've won shit since the Titanic sank.
Titanic sank in 1912.
Since then, Michigan has won 7 National Championships.
Ohio State has also won 7 National Championships.
And also since the Titanic sank the series record would be 44-44-5.
Conclusion: We have won shit since the Titanic sank. And you have not been better from us since then. We are literally on par with each other.
is the slow bleeding. It is that ceaseless nagging feeling as you fall into a pit of excrement that, first, you haven't reached the bottom and, second, there is more crap about to land on you. It's okay. You haven't experienced it before. It bites. It is a huge lesson in humility.
So, as a reminder, the stages of grief are:
It seems most OSU fans are somewhere between 1 and 3, with a few starting to reach #4. When the notice of allegations comes, it will probably restart all over again.
but predictable. I guess I shouldn't have expected better.
As far as looking at the players, no one would have an idea they won all that either, with the exception of the occasional tattoo.
When the NCAA comes down with their ruling at some point, I would like to see you write this all in the past tense. Banners will come down and wins will be vacated. If you think OSU will be back to running shit in 3 years after they get hit with scholarship reductions, you will be sadly disappointed. See this years recruiting class for a glimpse into the future. You lost a recruit to fucking Sparty. Let that sink in for a bit.
If you think OSU will be medocre for more than 3 or 4 years after this you are just being a homer. Look at Miami, look at 'Bama. OSU is in a better recruiting and conference situation than either of those guys and they were back to running shit within 5 years.
I see it taking about 5 years maybe 4 before you would be considered anywhere remotely near what you were. Miami has had a moment or two at most and Bama hired Saban. Now if your new coach can generate some buzz like that then maybe you bounce back sooner. If Fickell is your coach, forget about it, 5 to 6 years for sure. You do realize OSU is missing out on an extremely talented Ohio class this year? This is happening even before the sanctions hit. I think you maybe the homer in this situation.
It's going to be Urban Meyer. And until the sanctions come down and the players sign elsewhere OSU isn't out of the race for any of Ohio's best high schoolers. Recruting is too unpredictable, especially in June, to deem it a lost cause right now.
As if Urban Meyer is gonna jump to take a team stripped of 30 scholarships and banned from bowls for 3 years. No top coach will. Also, Meyer nearly died coaching and had 30 felons on his roster. I don't think that's the guy you hire when trying to rebuild your image.
when when you want to win and f#@% this NCAA biz. As for felons, thats more an MSU thing.
Urban Meyer? You mean John Gruden or maybe Bill Cowher certainly.
Do you? They don't even think Meyer is coming anymore...
People just think OSU will go back to the pre-cheating level, called the previous 30 years, when they didn't dominate anything, and more often than not were our bitch. Come back when you hit puberty.
Hey, this is just like what I said. Except far more succinct and with less hypothetical questions and cursing.
So I didn't go into as much detail.
You're assuming Ohio State was only good because they cheated, as if kids picked Ohio State because they could get free tattoos for their cleats. Come on, those tattoos didn't make players run faster, and if you think that 5 star recruit X wouldn't get the same treatment at Florida, Texas, USC etc. then idk what to tell you. OSU won because they had better players and better coaching, not because their players sold their trinkets. Now, it's fair to say OSU and UM dominated Big Ten football for the last 30 years, and that will be the norm for the next 30 assuming Hoke is good, but assuming OSU was only good this decade because they cheated? That's incorrect.
The difference: OSU was good whether they cheated or no; they were dominant because they cheated. Like Cooper said, he didn't beat Michigan but he played clean. Under Cooper, OSU was very good. But they weren't dominant.
Also, OSU is notorious for giving players "benefits." They were one of the largest schools to do so back when it was still legal to do so in the NCAA if I remember my facts right. Of course a kid will choose a place where he can have his cake and eat it too over one where he will only be able to look at the cake.
Yes but what tsio will you return to. Before Tressel you were not nearly as dominate over us and the rest of the Big Ten so don't be so confident you will return to 'greatness
We were dominant over eveyone but you and bowl games under Cooper. We were dominant under Hayes. Outside of the mediocre to above average Bruce years and Cooper's final year, OSU football hasn't been subpar since pre Hayes.
that hurts like a punch in the throat.
Define "subpar," and "dominant," while you're at it. You haven't had a run like you had the last 10 years since the 1960's. I would agree with the hypothesis that you dominated the Big Ten for the last 10 years- that's pretty much uncontrovertible. But you didn't "dominate" the Big 10 in the 1970's, 80's, 90's, 40's, 50's, etc. So you "dominated" the Big in two decades post-WWII, and that is your natural state? I think that math would dictate that your team is, historically, one of the top 2 in the conference. But far and away "domination" hasn't happened nearly as often as you think. How quickly you forget the 80's and 90's. "Dominating" the Big Ten means kicking Michigan's ass AND everyone else's ass, not just everyone else's ass. Being around .500 vs. Michigan in any one significantly measurable time period (save for the two decades previously mentioned) and being (still) below .500 against Michigan overall does not indicate "dominance." What you did the last 10 years? That's dominance.
This has been the only decade since OSU became a national power that they have dominated Michiagn, the 50s-80s were pretty even, the 90s were owned by you and the 00s owned by us. It's fair to say OSU and Michigan have dominated the conference, which was my point. If I were a Michigan fan, I wouldn't expect OSU to become Iowa all of a sudden.
I was thinking more like Notre Dame - former power with the occassional really good season that just can't seem to get the mojo back like it once was. Always in the title hunt preseason but not in November. Top 25 but out of the top 10 by the end of the year. And that continues until the next Tressel or Hayes finally comes along. Or cheating gets back to the '00's level.
OSU and Michigan in the modern era are 20-20-2. No dominance. If you want to go Pre-Tressel cheating his ass off, Michigan was 19-11-2 vs. OSU. If you want to go back further than that, we can just look at all time Big Ten categories. But you won't like it, because OSU has always been the #2 team in the conference in all categories that matter. Wins. Head to head. Championships. It'll be even more when they revoke the fraudulent titles.
I didn't phrase my dominance line correctly. Some Michigan fans seem to be assuming OSU is going to fall off the map and be a Wisconsin level team. My point is that this conference will always be Michigan's and Ohio State's. OSU will take their medicine and be right back to winning 3 or more conference titles a decade again, which is their precedent. Perhaps 30-40% of the conference titles in a decade isn't "dominating," but it's certainly not mediocre either. Just like these last 3 years for Michigan have been an abberation, OSU's post NCAA penalty years will be one too.
|Ohio State Buckeyes (Big Ten Conference) (1988–2000)|
|1989||Ohio State||8–4||6–2||T–3rd||L Hall of Fame||21|
|1990||Ohio State||7–4–1||5–2–1||5th||L Liberty|
|1991||Ohio State||8–4||5–3||T–3rd||L Hall of Fame|
|1992||Ohio State||8–3–1||5–2–1||2nd||L Citrus||19||18|
|1993||Ohio State||10–1–1||6–1–1||T–1st||W Holiday||10||11|
|1994||Ohio State||9–4||6–2||2nd||L Citrus||9||14|
|1995||Ohio State||11–2||7–1||2nd||L Citrus||8||6|
|1996||Ohio State||11–1||7–1||T–1st||W Rose||2||2|
|1997||Ohio State||10–3||6–2||T–2nd||L Sugar||12||12|
|1998||Ohio State||11–1||7–1||T–1st||W Sugar †||2||2|
|2000||Ohio State||8–4||5–3||4th||L Outback|
13 seasons, 3 Big Ten Championships(all co-champs, no outright), 5 seasons finished unranked in AP( 6 in the coaches), only 3 seasons in the Top 10 of the AP(5 in the coaches). If that's OSU "dominating" before the Tressel era, then we will take them being "mediocre" for 3-4 seasons
I'm glad I don't work or live near you, buckeyejonross. Celebrating past victories that were achieved with cheating, is just sad. I grew up in the Woody Hayes era, and even when we lost to OSU, you still had to respect the Buckeyes. Not anymore. Woody would puke at the sight of Buckeye fans like you.
My friend. Any response to that is just null and void now.
I don't care if we're Darth Vader or not. To each his own. The field is tilted, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive, we didn't pay players, we didn't shave points, we didn't change grades, our players sold their property for spending money and tattoos. If that's our crime then who cares? My attitude would be totally different if we did the other stuff, but as far as I'm concerned the rule is dumb and I'm not naive enough to think star athletes don't get the same treatment at other schools (right Mrs. McCoy?)
Troy Smith and Ted Ginn would beg to differ.
Tedd Ginn has never done anything and Troy Smith was suspended after accepting the money from the booster.
Shouldn't we wait for everything to come out before we really make these arguments? You're arguing from the position that the only thing your school is guilty of is having players sell memorabilia; most of the other posters on here (myself included) are arguing from a position that there was much more going on. And both sides agree that Tressel lied to the NCAA multiple times (I mean, I assume you agree with that). Really, the chasm between what each side is assuming is too great to make arguments about what competetive advantages were/weren't gained; this argument will be better-had after the full investigation.
One last jab- Clarrett was making everything up too, right? About the grades, the cars, etc? Remember when the school fired his tutor because she backed his story? (Sorry, couldn't resist).
Who was shuffled out for whistle blowing on the academic fraud.
Woody would be ashamed of today's Buckeye fans.
was having a coach lie to the NCAA 3 times, and an administration that did pretty much the same. Not to mention questionable monitoring of your football program which most of the 'noise' has unearthed.
Clarett was not a liar, he was thrown under the bus. Same thing with Pryor, thrown under the bus.
This is your program, this is Ohio State football. The true SCUM of the Big 10.
It was university property -- equipment right out of the manager's storage room. And no one at the university "noticed."
or ineligible receiver downfield or holding penalty you tell yourself "that's okay, my eyes saw what really happened, that touchdown will always count in my book. You may take away the score on paper, but you can't take away my memories." Lol, what a joke. We'll all remember the last decade too, but non buckeye fans will remember it a little differently than you will.
Not at all the same but ok.
Because everyone steals...
Poster child for every 15 year old OSU fan who'd gladly cheat over returning to the Cooper years. Stay classy, Ohio.
Basically: cheating pays.
That said, time for payback.
buckeye roadkill - tasty - have at it, boys.
Most friends no, although their hatred is mostly directed at Pryor right now...
ugh ugh ma na ma na!
I live in the belly of the beast when it comes to tsio fans and Sarah Palin. They don't like jokes about either. As far as the tsio jokes all they say is this is how you want to beat us!? I then say it takes cheating, lying about improper benefits and other sleazy techniques. So if you are fine using those techniques to beat Michigan! then I am fine watching you lose because of NCAA sanctions!
As a "best friend" from Ohio State.
My wife posted pics of our daughter in a Michigan outfit and someone commented that she looks cute except for the ugly outfit. My wife responded that we'd put her in an OSU outfit for their sake but we're afraid she'd end up with a tattoo or a car and we just aren't ready for that.
Not mind blowing, but it goes to show that I'm converting her year by year.
and i'm a shittalking fool, but i've been passing on opportunities, mostly because well, recruiting doesn't equal wins in november.
You should focus your shittalking on NCAA investigations, the media exposing an academic institution lacking in basic values and covering for a football coach at the cost of its own reputation (it is still, after all, a university, and not just a football program) and a win-at-all-cost fanbase that doesn't have the moral compass to distinguish between the taste of a stolen candy bar and one that was earned -- and properly feel shame for having enjoyed it.
an upside to living in New York this summer: No OSU hive.