Per Si.com Zeller to go Pro. Good riddance.
Per Si.com Zeller to go Pro. Good riddance.
Now we just need Payne to declare and a core of our guys to return. Things could shape up quite nicely for us if this happens.
Yeah if bad things happen to our rivals and good things happen to us, we could be in a good situation.
Brilliant analysis all around. He also subscribes to the "score more points than the other team and you win" theory.
There is nothing more annoying than people being snarky just to show off how snarky they can be
McGary already said he's coming back. I'm assuming GR3 will be as well? And Spike of course will be back.
Michigan isn't too bad off considering we're losing Tre and Tim.
Well, it certainly won't be a bad thing for Michigan
Why's he wasting his time on basketball? With a fivehead, the height, and an ugly mug like that, he could be the next Peter Crouch.
I didn't know soccer is popular in the 60-death demographic. Oh wait, you aren't really old. I always forget.
since you find it necessary to repeatedly point out that Herm is not exactly who he pretends to be. Heck, you now make this point in every single post, given your tagline. I think it's time to close up shop on your detective work -- your mission is accomplished, and you may consider it common knowledge that Herm is a parody and not an actual curmudgeon.
Herm isn't real?
Next thing you'll tell me we don't have Alabama fans who know all about Michigan recruiting...
lol... he'd score out of every corner
The use of "fivehead" to denote Zeller's ample forehead was well played Herm.
Best of luck to you, Zeller, but good riddance. I will not miss you. Now all we need is Payne, Nix and Harris to declare.
and Harris are not going anywhere. Payne is projecting into the second round and Harris is not even on draft boards.
Actually, ESPN has had Harris as a top 10 pick for weeks.
I missed those 5. That being said, Really? Was Harris that good? He had some impressive games but I don't see that. (In all honesty, I looked at a few mock drafts and did not see his name, it may have been before it was discussed as an option.)
Chad Ford has Harris at 10 to Minnesota in the mock draft from yesterday. I hope he takes that as sound advice....and our guys stay far away from it.
LOLWUT? Gary Harris is projected as a lottery pick (most mock drafts have him at #10 or #11), and Payne is a "late first rounder" ($).
I have see Harris in Top 10!!
Although I don't think Harris is leaving (based on nothing), he is on draft boards.
As of 3/20/2013, CBS Sports has him as a high 2nd round pick:
Chad Ford, of ESPN, has him at #11. I'm not sure what the date is of this release.
Huh? Draft Express (usually pretty legit) has him as the 24th prospect and has Payne as 42nd. Harris would be a surefire lottery pick if he was a couple inches taller (listed at 6-4) much in the same way Burke would be a for sure top 3 pick if he was a couple inches taller.
For Comparison, they have Burke at #7, McGary at #17, GRIII at #21, and Thjr at #59.
but Harris is supposed to be a 1st rounder. Probably the first time you've heard this
An oversight on my part. I looked at a couple a little bit ago and he was not on them. I said to myself "that makes sense, he is somewhat of a lumbering guard with a very streaky jump shot and who struggles to find his own shot and comes complete with concerning back problems that already require surgery." I guess I was wrong on the draft boards (but not on my analysis).
Title says it...
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I think Syracuse revealed how Zeller is going to do in the league. You're not gonna get your 2-foot foul halo in the NBA.
someone make sure that whoever is giving zeller advice stays far away from GRIII and McGary.
Then again, that same person probably convinced him to stay for his sophmore season.
Then again, Crean will just get someone else to do it.
In a strictly abstract sense, it doesn't bother me if IU has a good basketball team and they get some good recruits out of that state. IU grads don't particularly offend me.
But the notion that the departures of Oladipo and Zeller will send a Crean team back to the dark ages is pretty appealing.
So you're saying that Zeller and Oladipo have ruined their program?
I know Trey is all but a lock to go, but damn if everyone else stays were looking good for that BTC!
I'm going to keep covering my eyes when opening up MGoBlog for a while in fears of a "[Michigan Player] to declare" post
to play depleted rosters? Just as I want OSU to be good and even undefeated when we play them in football, so when we kick their ass it will be just that much sweeter--I want the Big Ten strong in basketball so I can continue to watch great games and, of course, the joy of kicking ass.
The depleted rosters with which Michigan was saddled in recent years, both football and hoops, do not appear to have diminished the satisfaction other teams' fans have derived from defeating us.
Exactly, Msu took advantage of our depleted football roster. Hell, osu dominated a depleted B1G for a decade. All Michigan has to do is win and we will be taken care of nationally, our name carries that much weight.
how others acted when we were down? Do we really care how OSU and MSU fans behave and, if so, we are no better. Pretty low bar. It strikes me that some here like basketball/sports less than the esteem they believe they get from winning programs. I'll take the joy of a fun team and great games over getting payback every time.
Why do they keep score?
I believe our goal is to win. If a coach doesn't have a good player to fill the spot of a star that is going to the NBA early, that's just too bad. It happens all over the place and it's not like being happy it happens to other teams makes it our goal.
That's an idealistic point of view, but in reality, players get injured (Denard) and players leave early (probably Burke). It's part of the landscape of college athletics.
The reality is, win no matter what. I do not want OSU, MSU, or ND to be undefeated. As a matter of fact, I'd rather they lose every game of every season. To hell with those turds.
like I'm on Spartantailgate?
I agree with this but for a different reason. I think that the tough B1G schedule helped prepare this team for the tournament run. I think the tougher games you play day in and day out the better your team will be. That being said I want Ohio to lose every game in every sport always.
Now with 4 starters gone I will be interested to see how Indiana does next year. Crean will be in his sixth year at Indiana and has yet to take them past the Sweet 16. In 14 years as a head coach he has only been to the Sweet 16 three times and beyond it once (Final 4 w/ Wade). I wonder how long it will take for him to get on the hot seat if he continually fails to advance far in the tournament.
Good luck to Zeller at the next level, I don't think he will be all that good, to soft and not much of a midrange jumper, but good luck to him anyways.
I think they have a pretty highly touted incoming freshman class, so that may help soften some of the blow for them.
They do have some great talent coming in, I just have my doubts about Creans coaching acumen. He had what may end up being his best combination of talent and experience in his time at Indiana and they got bounced in the second round.
I really dislike Tom Crean and hope he fails miserably, but he could still be a better coach then I give him credit for and next year will be an interesting test for him.
Actually, now that I look at it. Their last year's class was more impressive to me. It will be interesting to see how last years non-yogi freshman perform with larger roles.
Rankings taken from espn
Also, I agree with you about crean. He doesn't seem to have the same penchant for player development, with oladipo being his only really positive example I can think of.
Zeller seems to me to be one of those guys that could have become a great, great college player. If he learned when to face up, got more consistent on his jumper, and didn't get a "foul every time in the post" rule so he had to develop quicker and better post moves, he has all the tools to be really good at this level.
All that said, I don't see it in the NBA. I think he's probably stuck playing the 4 or a backup 5, for as skilled as he is he still loses control far too often (and he won't get whistles just for falling over in the NBA), and I'm not sure he's that good on defense against bigger and quicker guys. I think he'll still go first round/lottery, but if I was an NBA GM, I wouldn't take him that high.
Here's a serious question: We know Indiana's run with this core is over now that Oladipo and Zeller are gone. They won the B1G outright and a #1 seed, swept us, and had a great season. We did none of that.
But we made the final. Looked great. Saw the Shot.
Would any of us trade seasons with them, assuming both teams are rebuilding next year?
I wouldn't. Not at all.
The only team that I would want to trade seasons with is Louisville for obvious reasons. We shared the big ten title last year, so missing out on it doesn't hurt as much this year and any pain from that is more than made up for by making the title game.
Good question, but I wouldn't trade seasons with them for a second.
They're going to hang a banner. We're going to hang a banner. Prestige level of each banner is equal in my eyes. We were still playing basketball in April. They weren't.
Naw, I wouldn't change places with them for anything.
I agree, but a lot of it has to do with the situations. Michigan won the B1G last year and has had a stigma attached to the program ever since that the Ed Martin scandal, while Indiana didn't seem to get nearly as much of a stigma as they went through their violations and ensuing down period. Getting back to the Final Four and erasing the last of those "Not since the Fab Five" anchors was a lot more important to Michigan than another B1G banner, while Indiana's long term future is probably helped the most by standing along on top of the B1G reminding everyone they are blue blood program.
I would rather win the B1G next year, get the #1 seed and make the finals again. Except we would win by 10. Just sayin.
PS. A sweep of Ohio and State would be bonuses.
...as well as Watford and Hulls, that's 52 of their average 78 points per game from this season walking out the door, or 66% of their total scoring. As for Zeller specifally, I think that means that 105% of Indiana's free throws just left as well.
I have trouble seeing Zeller as physically ready for the NBA despite having center size. As others have mentioned, I tend to think he'll struggle on defense, especially against teams with some length (we saw that in the Hoosiers' game against Syracuse).
All we need now is for Crean to go with them.
I want Crean there so we can beat the shit out of his punk ass face.
and was not as heralded of a college player. Playing with an elite PG helps though.
Please Pistons, don't draft him.
It doesn't really matter. They'll find some way to screw up even if they somehow drafted Noel, Burke, and McLemore.
This is not smart, just look at how much his brother has struggled and he is a lot stronger than Cody.
is Gary Harris considering leaving too?
Not on par with the actual thread title but it's been mentioned a bit up top, regarding next years Big Ten talent; Iowa is going to have one hell of a team next year. Be on the look out for them and us to compete for the Big Ten title (of course Sparty and Indiana, maybe Ohio, and Wisconsin will have something to say). Of all teams, Iowa loses the least. Eric may was a decent player and senior leader this past season but his role/output is very replaceable.