They have recently started selling that highlighter yellow type of shirt that blinds you in the sun. I think it's just the "trend" now.
OT: The Yellow and Blue?
I thought this post was going to be about the alma mater, "The Yellow and Blue." I always thought it was odd that it is refered to as maize in almost everything, but the alma mater calls it yellow.
It's also strange to me that we only ever sing the first verse of the alma mater, which is only about yellow. Anybody know the history of the alma mater and why it's yellow? There have to be some MMB or Glee Club types on here...
I believe the second verse makes reference to a girl's blue eyes, which maybe isn't deemed politcally correct enough nowadays.
The University of Michigan has used a variety of shades of both Maize and Blue over the years. Sometimes the blue has resembled more of a sky blue than the dark blue associated with the school today.
So why "Yellow" instead of "Maize" in our school's Alma Mater?
Maize was first used to describe a shade of Yellow in the English language 1861. Although the University had declared "Azure Blue and Maize" as the official colors in 1867 it wasn't common practice nationally yet to use the term Maize to reference a color.
Keep in mind that the school had some unofficial connections to shades of Yellow before it was officially declared to be a school color and before "Maize" was even a word used to describe a shade of Yellow. So when Charles Mills Gayley wrote the lyrics to the Alma Mater in 1889, there is a good chance that many at that time still referred to the school color merely as yellow, despite the fact that it was Maize.
Thanks for link it is a great little read.
was to get away from the piss color Nike sometimes tried to pass off as maize.
Do you mean to imply that the shade of yellow isn't "maize"? Because maize doesn't have an RGB specific value.
hmmm, i did not know this....I guess you learn something new everyday on MgoBlog.
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BUT, various U of M emblems use different shades of both Maize and Blue in their emblems, all of which are acceptable.
Acceptable, yes. Official, no.
simply because there's so many different printers producing UM gear. If one print house was responsible for every single T-shirt in Ann Arbor, it would all look exactly the same. So until Underground and MGoBlog do make this happen, we're forced with shirts that use all different values of maize/yellow/gold, and plenty of different variations of the blue as well.
When I first started the MgoShirts last year, someone dropped me official PMS values. I always thought our 'maize' was much more yellow than it was gold, and many other fans feel it should be much more gold and not nearly as yellow. In reality it's not that extreme either way, but it's much more yellow than it is gold. Think Packers pants as opposed to Steelers pants, if that makes any sense.
Real gold looks pretty yellow to me. Why is that copper shade that ND and other schools use called "gold"?
And one of the things we talk about is the cultural connotations that have become attached to color names over the years. When we think of blue, our partisan nature obviously thinks of the blue that Michigan wears, but if you ask a Frenchman, or say someone in Toronto, to describe the color blue, you'll probably get a different answer.
One of the most flawed things in our society is that our eyes have the capacity to perceive an almost infinite number of shades and hues in the natural world (even 24-bit color systems offers over 16 million possible hues), and yet there's less than a hundred words in our language for those colors. The math just doesn't add up, and there's far too much generalization.
So I guess my response is, the word 'gold' has subjective definitions depending on who you ask. Notre Dame calls their color 'gold,' and Iowa calls their color 'gold,' yet clearly the two are desperately different. We should just jump in the DeLorean to the days and invent more Latin words for colors.
Maybe it shows up better for a Maize out on TV. Dull colors often don't stand out as well.
Well our original colors are yellow and blue, so I'm ok with it.
Anyone else see the maize (yellow) and blue Tigers hats they have in the MDen? They're quite sexy.
I'd venture to say, midway through the NIKE experience, maize gave way to highlighter yellow. We've now morphed into highlighter neon yellow.
Of course, look at the Bugeyes...their scarlet is no longer blood red, but more of a hue approaching bright red (on the field at Ohio Stadium, anyway).
We signed the Nike deal in 1994. Three years earlier, the Fab Five debuted the maize uniforms against Duke. Those definitely were not the old yellow-orange color.
thinking you were going to comment on our alma mater, "The Yellow and Blue." In glee club, we would always sing the alma mater the moment we drove onto campus from any out-of-town concerts/trips. Good times.
And it really bugs me.
I also hate that they use a generic "M" now instead of the banner "M" that's on the back of the scoreboards. The banner version is more unique, more recognizable, and looks better. It's bad enough that when I say I went to U of M people respond with "Oh, Minnesota?" We don't need people confusing the logo too.
EDIT: Forgot to ask - how is this off topic?
90% of the country will not think that UofM is Minnesota.
And the mods always add OT to everything to try and justify their existence. That's probably what happened.
Generally I find that it depends on the individual you're talking to, but typically Minnesota and Miami, even Maryland, are more associated with "U of M" outside of the Great Lakes region.
It's just silly in general to tell someone outside the state of Michigan that you went to "U of M." Saying "Michigan" eliminates any possible confusion.
The split M has been getting phased out for some time now and is only supposed to be used in instances like the one you described
edit: I'll bet the scoreboards lose the split M if/when we update them.
Where the heck do you live that people think of Minnesota when you say U of M? Minneapolis?
And anyway, the Minny M looks nothing like the Michigan block M. It looks more like an upside-down W. Mizzou's M, on the other hand, is cleary a ripoff.
edit: with that said; the RGB value given in the wikipedia article above is pretty spot-on.
I was just about to link that site. ALL of those color combinations, and other similar combinations, are acceptable for U of M gear. Though the 1912 ribbon colors are now "official".
Personally, I like the color of the student shirts nowadays. Call me crazy, but I think the vibrantness stands out well and gives a little bit more to our maize outs. At the very least, I feel that its closer to the color used on the helmets and such than the Wikipedia maize and the shade that some of my non-Adidas stuff is.
Plus, the shirts fade after being washed a few times anyhow, so if you really can't stand the brightness, all you have to do is wash it a few times to get a fade it a little more into what the color of the jersey numbers are like.
In that one photo, you see the "new maize" on the helmets, and the "old maize" on the M Club banner.
All this is, is that the bright neon yellow performs better in focus groups than the traditional Maize. I don't like it as much, but obviously someone does. Either that, or the dye is significantly cheaper to produce.
But if the traditional maize rates as fugly, then they should be able to bargain a cheaper rate (like when you buy an ugly colored car, should always negotiate a discount)
is getting out of control, and most noticable with the road unis, I have to say that watching old games on classic or BTN, maize is not that attractive of a color. It is like a yellowish, brownish, orangish, doesn't really even look good with blueish type color. I like the transition into yellow, I am just not sure our players need to glow in the dark.
I noticed the 'maize' has gotten much lighter for some time now --
Per wikipedia's RGB definitions of "Maize" and "Azure Blue" which is how the official university committee defined it.
As the name implies, maize is supposed to be the color of corn. What we have now is closer to the true definition of maize than the yellow-orange we apparently used to use. (I say "apparently" because I've noticed that on overcast days, even our current shade seems to look more orangeish than it does in bright sunshine.)
First I thought you were talking about Guns N' Roses (G n R), then I was dissapointed when I realized you weren't, but I again perked up with the Neil Diamond reference.
jmblue brings up some good points.
A. Per the actual definitions, the "highlighter" yellow is closer to maize than the orangish yellow of years past.
B. A lot has to do with how the colors are transmitted and how we see them. On a bright day with the latest of technology the current maize really pops. But if you look at an older picture and the technology of the day isn't as capable as processing and capturing light, so the colors are not as vibrant.
I didn't really say it was a camera trick - rather that its more noticable because of the better technologies.
"Highlighter" garbage.... well, that's just your opinion, man. In my day - the mid 90's - Meijer sold fugly orangish maize shirts.
I'll take today's maize over the dull, darker gold any day.
To me, it's much ado about nothing. Sure there used to be the orangish maize in past, but really the difference isn't as bad as people make it out. Notice in the student pic above that there are 3 years of student shirts represented, including the latest. They all look the same to me, except the old nikes seem a little faded.
If we changed the shade of maize, it happened before then. I still have an Amani Toomer #18 jersey I got in 1993 (made by Russell Athletic, then our apparel manufacturer), where the yellow numbers are identical to what we use now. I also used to have a pair of official maize basketball shorts (which we debuted in 1991) and those were also the same shade. The Fab Five definitely did not wear yellow-orange.
used to be.
Go into Moe's, and look at the old pair of pants in the display case. They are more khaki, than yellow.
And yes, "Highlighter yellow" is a rather accurate, if not noble, description for what we have now. It doesn't bother me to think of it that way. Look at the cap of the hightlighter on your desk. There's probably nothing else in your house that approximates the color better.
And yes, I am quite certain that the color-shift is due to the fact that the new yellow photographs better, and translates onto video better, than our old color, which really did look more like "yellow, the fields where ripens the grain, and yellow the moon on the harvest wain..."
It used to be, when Michigan game photos were reproduced in the newspapers, either in color or in black and white, there was so little contrast with the old yellow, that it was a little odd-looking. I thought our unis looked a lot different in photos than they did live, and it was sort of off-putting.
The new color pallette just photographs better. I think it is as simple as that. If you look at the photos of Tate & co. above, even those images seem to "tone down" the brightness of our current unis. Doesn't bother me at all. Seems like progress to me. Optical progress.
As for all of the M logos, there have been more than I can count. And some of the old designs have even found their way into the new stadium detail features. Including the style of "M" that you see in the bronze marker in the center of the diag.
SI cover, from the 1950's:
And here is how the old "maize" translated in black and white photography in the 1960's:
I can buy that the shade has changed, but I think it's been much more gradual than people think, and I doubt it was consciously done. The fact that film and photography quality has massively improved probably makes us think we're seeing huge changes when part of it may be due to technology (and when you see those old pants at Moe's, keep in mind that those may have faded over the years - uniforms aren't normally made to last decades on end). I think the shade of blue has slightly changed over the years, too (from nearly black to something a tad closer to royal blue), which in turn may affect the way we perceive the accompanying maize.
Yes, the "maize" color change has been gradual.
Yes, I don't think that anybody ever envisioned any dramatic changes.
No, it is not an illusion of better-quality photography; I've seen the changes over the years with my own eyes, starting as a little boy in '65 and '66. If we had the four game-worn helmets of Ron Kramer, Ron Johnson, Anthony Carter and Tate Forcier in front of us, you'd see four noticeably, if not dramatically, different versions of "maize."
And, finally, Yes, Michigan's modern unis are little lighter blue since the days of cotton jerseys. It might be the appearance of the fabric as much as anything else, but I'd be the first to concede a tiny shift to a lighter shade.
is big on contrast. As you said, it translates much better into black and white and also accentuates action, such as a slot ninja cuttin' through the secondary and into open field. Still, Nike can't change any colors at all without athletic department approval, so someone gave the greenlight.
I'll tell you one thing... if we wanted an ironclad answer to this question, we should talk to Jon Falk.
As I noted above, Nike had nothing to do with this. I have two home football jerseys - a Toomer jersey from '93 (made by Russell Athletic) and an Anthony Thomas jersey from '98 (made by Nike) and there is no discernable difference in the shade of yellow used.
If you were to ask Falk, he'd probably laugh at the suggestion that there was some directive from the athletic department about this. It most likely happened gradually and some of the "change" in the yellow may actually be caused by the shade of blue changing. The blue seems to have become slightly lighter, which would suggest a hint more green in it - which would accordingly affect the way we perceive the yellow (making it more "neon").
That looks like Lorenzo Lamas on the right? Or is that my eyes playing tricks on me? EDIT: I know its Kramer...
Speaking of which, does the Honolulu Blue look paler these days? I keep thinking it gets closer and closer to the Carolina Blue, but that might be my perception as well.
See a plain blue t-shirt with "MICHIGAN" printed on the front. The M-Den shirts are in maize, and the shirts from nearly everywhere else are yellow.
Story - University had football stadium painted in the early 80's. Canham told the painter he screwed up, and demanded he repaint and use MAIZE rather than yellow.
Why not The Maize(v. Yellow) and Blue? In the late 1800's/early 1900's, yellow started to be used to mean cowardly, and "yellow" journalism was used for muckrakers. Some historians say this is when the use of "maize" and blue came into use.
Love the photo of Anthony the darter Carter.