Was this covering a particular model year (years?) or just in general?
OT - Worst-Made Cars on the Road
According to the article they used the CR data for 2010 models
evidently didn't include Toyota. Help me out here, does five passenger seating, comfortable interior, good gas mileage and a moderately attractive exterior outweigh being able to STOP THE DAMN CAR? Does all the good stuff outweigh deliberately HIDING VERY SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS?
My last 2 vehicles have been Toyotas. Both Tacomas, my wife has had 2 Camrys, now she has a Hyundai and wishes she had another Camry. My Mom's last 2 vehicles were Toyotas and our total feeling is that they are great cars. Now with that being said I think they have screwed themselves big time by not reporting their problems. The guy in the prius that melted his brakes doing 90 mph, the one that the cop had to help stop. I keep asking myself why he cold not jut reach up and turn off the key. Maybe there was something that I did not pick up on the news but that seems like it would be the first logical step if the accelerator stuck.
Considering the Prius has a push button start, there is no key to turn. However, he could have put the car in neutral and shut off the engine with the push button.
And you know what I think is terrible? The Toyota Corolla, the cockpit is made for a tiny tiny person. Save goes with the Toyota Yaris. I refuse to rent those.
On the American side, pretty much everything from the Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram family has been disappointing, although I don't rent those very often. I don't know if any of you drive the Dodge Caliber, but if you do, God help you. Seeing out the rear window of that car is like trying to up a shower drain into the girls locker room....wait, what?
I have been impressed with the Fords, although they have this annoying extra wipe about 15 seconds after you spray the windshield.
Totally agree with you. Was stuck with one while our other car was getting some hail damage repaired. That thing epically sucked.
Would you say it was of poor caliber?
Can sometimes be really, really important.
rented, and I have gone tiny. Surprisingly good recently: a Kia Rio. And they're practically free (10 Gs).
Kia (and Hyundai since they own both names) are coming on strong. I did a very long research report on Hyundai. They have followed the Toyota model for market penetration then growth. They've also "borrowed" technology from just about everyone on how to produce quality cars. The factories that they are building are supposed to be almost clones of the BMW factories which are supposed to be state-of-the-art.
The older Kia/Hyundai brands were focused on market entry not gaining share.
I drove the Nitro going out of town about two months ago. The handle of the car was something to be desired. But it was good on gas. Drove from Michigan to Ten...and had to fill up twice. That is going and coming and once while I was there. Now, the Grand Cherokee drives like a car...handles and performs excellently, but the gas mileage is something to be desired.
My family had been engineers at GM and Ford for three generations (until mine). They all took the free cars while they worked there, but as soon as they retired or left they bought foreign.
I did a short stint as a consultant at Willow Run back in the 90s, and was appalled and simply amazed that the company remained in operation. It was like a dinosaur that had died, but the message had not yet reached the limbs and the legs continued to stagger the body forward.
Ford plant near where I grew up...conventional wisdom was to find out the day your prospective car was made and to never buy a car constructed on a Monday or a Friday.
I hate to sound like a Holly Homer now...But we buy cars based on perception now. The big three has made huge strides to close the gap between their quality and that of the foreign auto makers. But what keeps killing them is the perception that foreign products are soooo much better. The gap is a lot smaller than what most think now. A lot of the same concepts and principles are used to gauge quality and they are also steering towards World Class Manufacturing philosophies. But, sadly, when you have chased your tail for so long it goes unnoticed.
Most of the domestic car makers use very cheap materials to finish the inside of the car, and provide very poor sound insulation. That is one area (other than general reliability) that the Germans and Japanese definitely beat most US auto makers.
Forbes used the Consumer Reports overall scores for 2010 vehicles.
CR has one of the WORST automotive rating processes in the industry. I'll go on a big rant on CR if people don't believe me. Two of those vehicles I can guarantee are not designed for CR's study. In the latest CR they down-rated my current car because it seats 4, not 5. If I needed 5 seats, i'd shop for a 5 seater. I do not understand how this is a negative in terms of how a car should be rated. Anyway, the Jeep Wrangler is constantly the worst rated vehicle by CR. As the owner of a '98 Jeep, I can say it is one of the worst driving road cars ever. It's loud, rough, gets bad mileage, etc. But guess what, it goes ANYWHERE. This wasn't a "car" designed for a road test. It's an off road vehicle that does amazingly well on the highway. I've driven my Jeep on trails that were crazy, then drove right off onto the highway 200 miles home at 70MPH. That's a damn impressive piece of machinery, and is very well built. I can't comment on the F-250, but It's not designed for a road test either. The damn thing is a work truck, I'm sorry it's not as cushy as a Camry.
Anyway, that's my small rant. As an engineer I find it hard to trust other's rankings of anything. Go drive the car. If it feels solid, does what you need, you should be good. If it feels cheap, is too slow/gas guzzling/etc. then don't get it. Have someone who knows cars go with you.
I don't trust car advice from "experts" like CR who review toasters and washing machines, or those like Forbes who do money. I get my car advice from people/magazines who do car's only.
The most valuable lesson I learned while working my way through UM at an Ann Arbor dealership is "There's an ass for every seat". Everyone values, and looks for, different aspects in a vehicle. Could you imagine how your grandmother would rate a Ferrari? If she's anything like mine she'd think it were created by the Soviets. But Buicks are the best thing ever. There's an ass for every seat.
I used to work for a company that sold cars, and that was literally the mantra for our pricing strategy guys.
That and 'Fuck it.'
CR is hardly unbiased in its rating of automobiles. Yet, people quote it like it is absolute truth. The point about the Wrangler is telling. No one buys one of those for a quite, cushy ride. You buy it BECAUSE it is tough and loud and you can take the top off. By the way - they last forever.
CR imposes its own views on the ratings. They tend to favor imports over domestics because that's what the CR editorial staff like. That's fine for them, but big three bashing based on CR is like going after Rich Rod b/c of what you read in the Freep.
because they DON'T accept advertising. I wouldn't trust that Forbes list any further than I can throw it.
I agree that it's good that they don't accept advertising, and I don't think they're biased towards a manufacturer for that reason. What I tried to say, and what I believe others are saying is that while CR might not have the advertising incentive to choose say a camry over an accord, CR is biased towards certain types of cars. Like I mentioned earlier, a 4 seater scored lower than a 5 seater - of near identical cars. They highlighted the 4 seats as a negative.
In a vehicle dynamics class i took at U of M (ME 458 for any other engineers) the professor talked about how GM had to go to the tire manufacturers because they were getting low CR scores. GM asked for the most fuel efficient tires to help their mileage numbers, which in turn made their stopping distances worse. Well CR saw that the Camry stopped 12 feet before the Malibu (or whatever) and GM lost to Toyota again.
I understand that CR doesn't rate one company as a whole, but they also don't look for what I'm looking for in a car. Or what people were going for when they designed the car. Like in my earlier example - My car isn't for someone who needs to haul 5 people around. I understood that before i shopped for it. If I needed to haul 5, i wouldnt have looked at my car. Or the Jeep - Jeep engineers built the best out-of-the-box offroad beast ever, and tried to make it road friendly too. Guess what, it doesnt ride as nicely as a Malibu or Camry, but is it a worse car? Depends on what you want it for!
A big reason I ignore them is that they rarely if ever test cars with a Manual transmission. but thats just another mini beef i have with them.
Thats where CR's bias is, their ratings are for 1 car shopper - they aren't looking for what I want in a car, theyre looking for what their staff wants/thinks the average american wants in a car.
i drive a '07 wrangler currently, drove a '04 wrangler before that. over 60,000 miles on each one and never had a problem with either. i read a while ago that something like 75% of wrangler buyers never even considered another vehicle - no shopping around, no test drives, just knew what they wanted and bought it. a person from a publication like CR is gonna hop in a wrangler and hear the wind noise, feel the bumps, hate the back seat, and give it a poor review. this is in no way a reflection of people who actually buy wranglers - we take the doors off for more noise, run over bumps on purpose, and keep our backseats in our garages. that's my co-rant.
Consumer Reports is stupid. Anyone who shops by recommendation of Consumer Reports is not shopping for a vehicle, they are shopping for an appliance.
But it blends!
It comes with a set of ginsu knives!
And Jeep owners have the Jeep Wave. That should count for something.
return wave slash head nod
Like your avatar, that yours? The jeep in my avatar is mine... on my worst stuck
OK...I'll bite. One of the items provided by CR is their frequency of repair reports provided by owners for the reliability of various systems in vehicles. Is the data false? Not from my experience, and this includes a bunch of vettes, Silverado trucks along with Japanese and German cars. Problems I have experienced have an uncanny knack of showing up as being a problem in a particular model for a particular year. If not for CR, where are you going to get the data? From the car manufacturers? Not hardly.
I read a bunch of car mags and I have always felt that it is rare to see a scathing indictment of a new vehicle or a road test if the magazine is replete with page after page of ads from that vehicle's manufacturer. I believe this is commonly known among car people. You don't bite the hand that feeds.
As you noted, you have to drive a vehicle to know what it is about. You can also learn a ton by going to various blogs and seeing what people bitch about. CR simply provides another piece of data to use in your evaluation of a vehicle, but I personally find their info to be of real value in making a purchasing decision.
I was going to comment on the idea that it was a FORBES review of vehicles. What about AutoWeek or Car and Driver. I would recommend magazines or websites like edmunds.com. As far as I'm concerned the first place to go would be edmunds.com and the last place to go would be to a financial magazine.
And you're right about CR. They don't necessarily report on problems, they frequently report on trips to the shop. If cars go back to the dealer to get their oil changed, it's a black mark against them because they went back to the dealer. Never mind if it was for NORMAL maintenance.
Note that 5 of them are GM products, not that this is a perfect study, but it seems to bring to the front that there was a reason GM should have gone bankrupt. Sorry but I won't be buying any government motors cars. GM and Chrysler both made lots of bad decisions for a long period of time. Ford wasn't too far behind but at least their management saw the trouble coming and began to prepare for it.
Ford faced the same troubles as GM and Chrysler years earlier. They mortgaged their Ford trademark among other things to raise $23 billion to finance their restructuring. Years later, when GM and Chrysler ended up in the same situation, they could not mortgage anything and required governmental support because the whole financial industry fell.
All I'm saying is that Ford gets a lot of credit for "avoiding" the problem when really they faced the same problem, just at a much better time than GM and Chrysler.
I'm pretty sure all auto companies were in the same boat when Mulally mortgaged the Blue Oval for $23B. It's kind of disingenuous to say Ford "avoided" the problem when Mulally made that decision within 6 months of joining Ford.
A shift in advertising to those markets is part of GM's plan to recover from a $1.1-billion first-quarter loss, its biggest quarterly loss in 13 years.
It really wasn't "years earlier" or anything like that; Ford (under Mulally) just got tired of pretending that if they continued on the current path all would be ok.
that Ford shouldn't get any credit for turning their ship around years before their adversaries blundered into bankruptcy?
That sounds vaguely toolish. Actually VERY toolish.
Ford decided they needed to do something about it and fixed their situation from the top down, the other two went bankrupt and were FORCED to TRY to fix the issues. GM obviously hasn't (see the procession of high ranking officials) and Chrysler sold them selves to another company.
They're OBVIOUSLY doing a bang-up job, just like Ford did. (Sarcasm!!!!!)
I would have to say my 95' Dodge Dakota Sport. P.O.S. It will be the death of me.
The Dodge of Death!
Sort of like a backup on the set of Christine?
Maybe we need a The Dodge of Death driven by Death Roh!
It can't be that bad if it's still on the road 15 years after it was made.
good point. it gets me around GR. but with the shitty roads here im pretty sure the wheels are going to fall off. Combine that with no heat, no radio, non working windshield wipers, only one working door, shitty breaks that no matter what i do are shitty, busted seat belts, one working headlight no matter what, and a few other problems, its safe to call it a p.o.s. but im am lucky enough to have something that gets me around thats paid off so i shouldn't complain.
was just like that, and I have to admit you've got me laughing hard enough to cry.... I went out a month ago and junked the thing and now I am the second owner of a 2006 VW Jetta. Badass car. I've never had such a huge swing from a POS to a gem in my life. I would recommend it to anyone, anytime.
You got me thinking. I just went through a huge swing as well.
-Second owner of a 1999 Jeep Cherokee (bought it in 2002). Had to 180K and was in decent shape for a car of that age until it was stolen. It was found in a bad part of Chicago and was pretty beat up when I got it back. I won't go into all the details of what the assailants did to my Jeep, but I had to start it will a tire iron or screw driver after I got it back. I held on to it until for about a year and sold it for 1K.
-Now, proud owner of a 2010 Audi A5. Badass fucking car!
a Jetta is only badass if you're a sorority girl on the way to her country club....
I seriously considered a Jetta GLI before buying my new car.
200 HP, 33MPG, 6 speed manual... it's pretty sweet. It's a GTI with a trunk
Im sorry but when you said you went from a POS to a gem then mentioned it was a Jetta I laughed my ass off!! My wife and I bought a brand new 1.8T Jetta in 2002 and just thought it was the greatest thing ever, until we had it for a couple months. That car was the biggest pile we have ever owned and we have owned some epic piles! Then we thought maybe we just bought a turd. So we bought a brand new Taureg on 2008. Now it wasnt as bad as the Jetta but lets just say we will never buy another VW! But thats just one man's opinion so I wish you the best of luck with your Jetta. May you enjoy it for years to come. I now drive a 2009 Land Rover LR3 and I love it. I also have a 94 Wrangler and while it needs constant work, it is a 94, I enjoy it very much. To each his own I guess
Wasn't the only alleged case of an accelerator issue with the Prius later proven to have been a fake? Or are you referring to something else?
Note - I'm not a fan of the Prius, but I just wanted to make sure you weren't talking about the acceleration issue.
Was one individual trying to cash in on the recent slew of recalls and safety issues, among which was the accelerator issue.
That was out near me, and I'm not entirely sure how he hoped to cash in. He basically drove really fast (for a Prius), called the cops, and eventually they stopped him--presumably causing some level of damage to the car. What was he going to do, claim a waste of twenty minutes and some scary driving?
I think he just wanted 15 minutes.
My parents bought a Prius 5 months ago and they just recently had to take it in for a recall to update the braking and acceleration systems. I don't know much about what the issue was, but my dad swears that at least twice, while driving on bumpy roads, he experienced a significant delay while trying to brake. Leads me to believe their is some merit to some of the claims.
My parents-in-law own a Prius and they reported the same accelerator issue on bumpy roads. It isn't as dramatic as the media reports made it sound, but they reported times when the car would fail to break and/or jolt forward unexpectedly on certain surfaces. I know they took it in for a software update, though, so perhaps the problem was remedied. But no, it was not an isolated incident as far as I know.
The prius had its own problems different from the acceleration problem found on the 10 recalled toyotas.
The Priuses (and all hybrids, but most to a lesser extent) have very complicated braking systems. Pretty much as soon as you let off the gas, the computer gathers the energy of the spinning wheels to help recharge the battery. This happens during braking and not. The system gathers data very quickly, probably a thousand times a second (1KHz) and quick changes can affect it. The prius had a problem where (if i remember all the issues) on bumpy roads while turning and braking the brakes would take about 1 second to respond (as opposed to instantaneous braking). That 1 second could turn into about 60 feet on the highway, which is a BFD. This is an issue with the electronics of the complex braking system, not the accelerator.
On the other hand, that guy who went 90+mph was just trying to get his 15 min of fame. He faked an accel problem, while priuses havent had them
How is the F-250 on there? That's part of a line, so how does the 150 and 350 not get included? Do the models really differ that much (Minus, of course, when you get into a dual axle 350)?
F-150 and F-250 are completely different platforms.
The 250 and 350 share a lot of components, but my guess is they didnt test the 350. Major differences are in engines, suspension, and typical configurations (cab/doors, bed length, etc.)
I doubt CR tested the 350.
By the number of responses I've had can you tell I'm a mechanical engineer and a car dork yet?
I drive an '09 Acura TSX and I'm fairly disappointed with it. The hinges attaching the hood to the frame feel like they're made out of paperclips; I feel like I need hood pins going 80 on the highway. Although, I will admit I plan on buying it and selling it as soon as the lease is up because I'll actually be able to turn a decent profit, due to Acura's high resale values. Then I can buy my shitty Wrangler...
How is a Chevy Colorado ranked #3 and a GMC Canyon #6...when they are the same freakin truck?
the first... it was not part of the accelerator issue, and I'd have to say the premium I've had to pay for it was well worth it. Having said that I owned 3 Ford Taurus's before that and they were all excellent vehicles. My last one I drove nearly 200k miles and now my sister in-law still drives it. Every Taurus I owned needed a transmission rebuild at some point, but even $1300 later, the cost to drive them was well below the premium I'd have had to pay for a Camry or Accord.
My other belief... true or not.. is that a lot of the perception people have of american cars is due to the people driving them and their care or lack thereof for them. It seemed when I was in HS, that 5/10 kids drove a neon, grand am, cavalier, sunfire. If any of those kids might have say, gotten an oil change more than once a year, and put a coat of wax on it at some in time owning the car, they might not all be the POS they were. I took care of my Taurus' and they lasted a long time. Most american cars are cheaper, and maybe not anymore, but for a long time that's what most young people drove... most of whom did not take good care of their cars. Many cars will not last long without the proper maintenance.
I don't buy that the perception is due to poor owner care. Coming from a guy with family working at Ford, American manufacturers put out really crappy cars for a long time--particularly the entry level sedans. The costs associated with building those cars, like the Focus, were such that Ford took a loss on each sale, with the goal of building brand loyalty. As such, they were unwilling to make better cars and take an even larger loss. Toyota had lower costs, and was able to produce a proportionately better car and sell it for the same price--which is why there reputation is (was?) better.
That's from the boardroom, not me.
It's not as simple as that. There was (and maybe still is) a fundamentally different business model between the Japanese makers and the big three that no one seems to want to talk much about: planned obsolescence. A lot of the vehicles that the big three put out just weren't designed and built to last all that long, whereas the Japanese makers didn't take that approach. In the long run it appears that the big three benefited in the short term by selling more (cheaper) cars when they needed to be replaced, but the Japanese makers benefited in the long term by seller less (more expensive) cars that were designed to last. Obviously this is a gross over-simplification, but to deny that this didn't happen is just putting your head in the sand.
What would Jack Burton say in a time like this?
I leased a Honda Accord for three years, after more than a decade owning Fords. After the Accord, I went back to Ford, but only because my wife was embarrassed to be seen in her father's driveway with the Honda, (he is a Ford retiree).
I loved my Accord. Loved. It.
However, one of the fundamental differences in ownership experience between the Fords I've owned and the Honda was the manufacturer's expectation to follow the "recommended" service plan. Honda made it clear that if I wanted to keep my warranty, I'd bring in my car every 5,000 miles for the scheduled, preventive maintenance activity. And those visits added up: between $150 - $350 every time I set foot in the service center. Ford has no such requirement.
One has to assume that level of care on a regular basis adds up to some pretty impressive long-term quality scores for Honda. And their customer is willingly paying the bill, (well, maybe begrudgingly). Still, there's a lesson here to be learned by the domestics.
"Honda made it clear that if I wanted to keep my warranty, I'd bring in my car every 5,000 miles for the scheduled, preventive maintenance activity."
I'm going to suggest that's because it was leased, not because of the warranty. There is no such requirement in the warranty contract for cars that are owned. At least not in ours there isn't.
The methodology seemed pretty lazy to me. It never ceases to amaze me how crappy journalists can be--although it probably shouldn't by now.
That column was pure filler.
CR always seems to be down on VW as well. Every single VW model I've owned has had, according to CR, 'electrical problems'. I've never had any trouble with any of my VWs. I'm surprised a VW didn't make the Top 7.
I had a psycho ex-girlfriend who owned a 2006 Beetle. The thing caught fire from electrical problems. I hated everything about our relationship but watching that demon car burn to the ground was honestly the coolest thing I have ever witnessed.
My '99 Jetta had electrical problems. You really don't want your car to have electrical problems...it sucks.
Yep, same with my 2000 Jetta. The on-board computer was completely messed up, in addition to a variety of electrical problems.
Aside from safety reviews, I rarely give much thought from these types of reports. If I'm happy with it, then I'm happy with it. I read negative review after negative reviews from "experts" about the Jeep Commander. I went out and bought one and I absolutely love the thing.
Lexus consistently draws praise for their mid-size SUV's and I can honestly say that I would NEVER drive one. They just simply aren't made for 6'4'' bodies.
There is a vehicle for everybody.
Do the brakes work?
60% of the time they work, every time.
Ford Focus is the best car ever made, no question.
Consumer Reports is never consistent.
2 vehicles, same platform, engine 1 jap 1 american the jap plate always was rated higher every single time. ford/mazda or nissan built vehicles, gm/toyota, chrysler/mitsubi..., all had shared platform vehicles and every time the foreign plate was rated better.
How can the same engine, transmission be different from 1 to the next? Ie they all are better in the jap then the american?
Next, I am a uaw/ford kid growing up. Buy fords, always will. My Fusion and Escape are excellent cars, not a problem at all. Had a contour and f150 previously and not a single problem there either. Actaully I want another f150 now though...,
One thing on my fusion vs camry as good even better, vs accord like my fusion better interior on accord is a bit better but at a hefty expense difference, and same thing with the malibu though I prefer my fusion to both on drive.... On the interior though, if I were to pay more on interior for malibu/accord may as well get the ford taurus and blow both of the accord/malibu out of the water quality wise at pretty much the same price.....
What platform and engine have GM and Toyota shared?
Anything from the NUMMI plant in California.
The Geo Prism and Toyota Corolla were the same.
A more commonly known share is the Toyota Matrix and the Pontiac Vibe. It's the same everything except some sheet metal and interior fittings. I think [maybe] the Matrix had a version with a higher performance I4 that wasn't available in the Vibe.
I had no idea. The more you know...
The Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix are/were the same car. They're not making either anymore, but both were under the toyota recall
The correct answer: mine.
95 Mercury Mystique, aka Ford Contour, aka the worst Ford my Ford-only family has owned in the past 20 years.
The transmission line rusted through this winter, I closed the door too hard and my interior rearview mirror fell off, it gets god-awful gas mileage, makes noises I can't even begin to comprehend, and has irreparable issues with the rear suspension... I'm basically trying to keep it alive as cheaply as possible until graduation.
sounds like a beater car to me...., and one that new bandaides and duct tape keep rolling.....those are the perfect beaters they last just as long as they possibly can and then die out pulling into the dealership for wich they offer the 2grand push/pull for your trade deal and you smile all the way into the dealership cause your beater now is your downpayment...ahhh the days right out of school.
"We need to come clean"
Honda in the mid 90's had a electronic module in civics that was failing, charging 480bucks per unit not including labor...well after a recall the cost to honda for the part was revealed to be less then 80dollars per emc.
I was brought in as a contractor to the toyota warranty center, Reed Hartman hwy, cincinnati oh....bout 97, I cannot tell you how rude they were over the phone to their customers complaints. Often I was hearing the same things on engine problems..response Our engines do not fail you did something to the car....turns out it was all part of the engine sludge problem. They were flat mean and unresponsive to their customers, I was shocked at the time based upon toyota's reputation.
My dad has an Eclipse and I have a Montero Sport. Both are awful.
Chevy Aztek was the uggliest thing to ever been spawned from a mid-sized SUV roofying a minivan and having its way with it. A great concept, but just horrible exection.
same car, but it wasnt (at least in America) a chevy
I'm surprised. A mechanic once told me a number of years ago that GM made the best cars on the road, along with Toyota and Honda, and that Ford was shit. And then GM began to get higher ratings for something like customer satisfaction / product reliability (could be 2 completely different things). But lately Ford has been getting good reports, so I wonder if they've really turned things around the past few years. (I've also heard that Kia and Hyundai have become pretty reliable as well. True?)
I love my Toyota. We've always had Toyotas and/or Hondas and we've had few problems with them. I definitely think that the Toyota recall thing got blown way out of proportion, in no small part due to Toyota's lack of ethics.
One guy told you that, and you totally believed him? You're just hearing that Hyundai is reliable? I'm kind of confused here.
It's a family friend who is a mechanic who told me about GM. It's probably important to mention that this was about 8 years ago. Then reports soon followed (I remember that it was a legit source, I think CNN reporting on a report Forbes, Fortune, or JD Powers--one of those) that suggested that the guy might have been right at the time. Believe me, I've always been Toyota and Honda all the way. Many things have probably changed in the past few years, so it's certainly possible that GM quality has declined, but that kind of fall--had one indeed taken place--is quite a bit large.
Separately, I read somewhere a few years ago that Kia and Hyundai had improved, with Kia coming a long way from the joke that it stood for "killed in action." Note the language: "I've also heard that Kia and Hyundai have become pretty reliable as well. True?" I should have written "read somewhere" instead of "heard", but in no way should anything I said be taken as an authoritative statement.
When you add in the timeline your statements make a lot more sense. Thanks.
Yeah that first post was like the Last King of Scotland of blog posts.
(You know, because it recounted events over a ~10-year period but left out the timeline? Ahhh, good one...)
That is one of the worst designed websites ever. Thanks, but next time I'd like to be able to read more than 3 sentences without a box asking me what I think of the article, polling me, or making me click to the second half of the article.
Forbes and magazines like that won't rate American cars highly b/c its not vogue to own one.
I'd rather an uncool car than an unsafe car though.