My sentiments exactly, I found myself thinking, "wow, Northwestern High School has a really nice gym."
OT: Worst Basketball Arena?
I grew up not too far from NU, and there are probably HS gyms with capacities close to 8100 in the immediate area (I'm looking at you, New Trier).
While looking this up, however, I just found out that a friend of mine from HS (and recent Wisconsin grad) won a Rhodes Scholarship. So there it is: justingoblue has done keg stands with a Rhodes Scholar.
High school grad in 2005 (wow, weird) and the Gym wasn't all that big. we did graduation at NU to have more space. New trier was built in like 1900, so the bball gym isn't that huge.
That's surprising to me. I would have guessed you guys, Stevenson, and one or two others would be at the top of the list.
I can't find the capacity for my HS (HD Jacobs in Algonquin), but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 4500+, and it's not a huge school. Interestingly enough, we also did our graduation off-site, but we held it at the Sears Centre.
NT's current enrollment is 4300+ students, I graduated with just over 900 in 2005, but the 2006 freshmen were like, 1200 students in that class. Between the 2 campuses and everything it's a huge school. But the Gym (at least at East) wasn't that huge, I'd guess it seats abour 2,500. and the gym at west probably only 2000.
Nebraska's court is HIDEOUS!!! They're #1 in my book.
they rolled up the bleachers to be ready for 1st period PE
The worst is Bryce Jordan Center where Penn State plays. No one ever goes, it's outdated, and for some reason it's very dark.
Is it really outdated? It's only like 15 years old.
It's definitely too big for PSU basketball, in any event. Their games remind me of when the Pistons would play in the Silverdome.
...it's like watching basketball played in an art gallery.
Northwestern's football stadium is even worse. I find it surprising. Doesn't that school have money?
I found the basketball arena far more disappointing than the football stadium. Although, to be fair I had considerably more to drink before the football game.
Texas high schools have more impressive stadiums than Ryan Field, though it is kind of endearing in a "ohh look how small and cute it is!!" type of way.
That's what she said :(
When you have the smallest school you have the smallest alumni base. When you have a small alumni base you don't need a big stadium. Michigan already gets a 50/50 split when they play in Evanston any bigger of a stadium and all the excess are going to be opponents fans.
Which is made way, way worse by the fact that a majority of NU students aren't from the area, and will likely return to wherever they're from. Michigan wouldn't have the Big House if a plurality of the schools alums were in NYC, LA, and everywhere else but Ann Arbor.
...there is no point on investing in what is essentially another home field for whomever they happen to be playing there.
I don't have firsthand knowledge but I have heard that the Dean Dome (UNC) is one boring, sterile environment without a lot of character. I've heard it compared to an NBA venue, and not in a favorable manner.
Way too sterile for me. I've been there twice and did not like. I much preferred the old NC St facility (Reynolds Coliseum?). A positive, though, are the bathroom facilities. I had raging diarrhea while attending a UNC-NC St. game awhile back, so I was thankful for the modern bathrooms.
I went to the Michigan vs NW football game back in 05 and was able to check out the NW basketball Arena. Color me unimpressed. Now they have that purple inside the three point line....what the hell were they thinking?
Had the same reaction to the purple. I don't know how it looks in person but it's awful on TV.
I think on Twitter, TomVH said it looked like someone spilled grape jelly on the floor. I got a pretty good laugh out of it.
I like it. I think it's a helluva lot more unique than Value City Arena (and let's be honest - Crisler is ugly on the outside, too) and fits Northwestern basketball's needs - they don't have a large enough fanbase to support a 10K arena for every game.
I do agree about the back sweat and being off-campus, though. Both of those parts are pretty bad, although I think NW is in the process of doing a big time athletic facilities update.
That could be a cool venue. It's not that much bigger than Yost. NU just doesn't keep it in good shape (and can't fill it up).
Agreed. If Michigan was bad at hockey, Yost would be regarded as a dump. If NW was as good as Duke, that arena would be insane.
Miami U in Ohio has a terrible facility. One picture should do the trick...
Are you sure that's not the Southfield-Lathrup Chargers gym photo? That is, indeed, a very strange looking basketball arena....
I guess MAC schools are still technically D1 schools :-)
Definitely a multi-purpose gym. You can see the track running around the floor, which also suggests that the floor can be removed and replaced for volleyball, wrestling, gymnastics, etc.
Toledo is really the only MAC school with a good basketball arena (which is funny, because Toledo sucks at basketball since they had to fire Stan Joplin over point shaving allegations.)
Actually, Toledo's arena is nice for any school, not just a MAC school. Luxury boxes, students right on the floor. Plenty of amenities.
Great Venue. Right by my house and as Ira says the Eagles are improving.
I like the Convocation Center alot better than Bowen Field House except it has the same problem as Rynearson....namely it is roughly half full. I think the largest turnout I saw this year was at the State game and State fans vastly outnumbered EMU fans. Even then it was about three quarters full.
I would rank Bowen Fieldhouse as the all-time worst arena. It sure was fun when EMU had good teams, though.
Both EMU basketball teams seem to be on the right path, so we'll see.
BGSU also has a nice favility. The entire MAC sans Miami seems to be updated.
Only arena to come with it's own rap video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YxNJJgs08Xg#!
Maybe this is the hometown bias, but I've always enjoyed Read Fieldhouse. Solid sightlines, and it's connected to the Rec center. So after a run on the track or a workout you can hop over and catch a basketball game for free with your student ID.
Was built in the late 70's. This was when toledo had a great program under Nickles. The first game was against one of bobby knights better Indiana teams with Toledo winning by two: 59-57. When Nickles retired, they haven't been the same since.
And yes, I must admit that I was a student at UT when Sabin was the coach just before he escaped to coach in the EL
but where does the politburo sit?
That scoreboard looks so out of place in that picture (is it even structurally safe hanging from those rafters?!). There should be two scoreboards on each end of the gym, preferably with half the bulbs burned out so a few numbers are indecipherable. And a possession arrow that is manually flipped.
I do tend to love the few old "barns" that still exist in college sports. But my penchant for nostalgia probably clouds reality. I just read an article in the local Madison paper about the old Field House (two words, both capitalized) that preceded Wisconsin's Kohl Center. I actually am not a big fan of the Kohl Center. Too sterile for me. I'd much prefer to watch hockey at Yost. Anyway, the Field House windows were often broken, and minimal snow would accumulate in the top rows during winter (home court advantage?). So sweating my balls off in Evanston or freezing my arse in Madison's old Field House probably wouldn't suit my current tastes.
This is why I love Yost Arena. A classic barn that has been updated enough to have some semblance of modern amenities, yet still retains the old charm...and is extremely loud. Stay strong, Yost.
The Field House was awesome. The upper deck was literally a series of overlapping planks with no backing. If you weren't careful and you pushed your coat (or your flask) too far back under your seat, it would fall to the lower deck below. That place was also incredibly loud, even though the teams playing there were usually incredibly bad.
I haven't been there in at least five years, are the windows at Yost still covered up? They used to be but I always thought the building would look awesome if the glass were put back in.
but a planned-and-now-Regent-approved renovation is supposed to open them up again with high-tech glass. Slightly fewer regular seats, more premium seats.
I actually love Welsh-Ryan. I like college basketball better when its played in gyms. Fans are right on the court. It sounds better. It feels better. I find the new style arenas like the Kohl Center and OSU's arena (and even Crisler, which is, to be fair, much less of a masoleum post-reno) terribly sterile and boring. The most famous locations for college basketball are much like Welsh-Ryan. Assembly Hall at Indiana, Cameron, the Palestra, Pauly Pavilion, etc. Name one arena that has the same rep.
If you want to watch a basketball game, Welsh-Ryan is good.
If you're more interested in being close to the bars or having flat screens in the crapper, probably not the place for you.
...but Breslin Center is constantly rated as one of the best venues/most difficult place for a visiting team. Gotta give Sparty credit for that place,
They have Nipsy, we have Cazzie and Campy. For the win!
The other day I drove by Breslin and for the first time noticed just how ugly it is from the outside.
but I have never liked Assembly Hall. Bloomington OR Champaign.
Northwestern is very high school...But they could indeed go full on Yost in there if anyone cared. I'm just glad Crisler is rocking again...or for the first time. I've heard reports that Crisler wasn't that electric in the fab 5 era...I wasn't there in the eighties...The crowd was nuts during Amaker's first NIT run...but over the course of a season Is this year the best Crisler has been ever?
Duke-UM during the Fab 5 frosh year was unbelievably electric. The house was rocking mad. But I'll admit that our home crowds did not seem as consistently rowdy as other schools...at least through non-scientifc means of watching a lot hoops on TV during that era!
Then again, we didn't have Heisman tropy candidates doing the "eating" celebration in the stands back when I was there in the 90s. The crowd for the Duke games in '95 and '97 were good in stretches, especially late. Unfortunately, the last game I went to as a student was in 1999 when all of EL came down to root on Sparty.
I was at the game as well and was trying to figure out if the video board was compatible with NES or just strictly Atari.
Definitely a terrible arena all-around, but lets keep in mind that that place (and the staff) have probably never had to accomodate a capacity crowd. When I called the ticket office the morning of the game they only had 16 tickets left (obstructed view and standing room)
I got into it with some old bitty at Yost last year about that. She was sitting behind me making all kinds of comments about how she'd heard so much about the "atmosphere" at Yost but was completely unimpressed. I ignored her after the first three or four comments, but then had to turn around and politely explain to her that the students were on break and the band was from Howell High School and they were being kind enough to fill in. She then started musing about how, with "Michigan being Michigan" we should rip the place down and build something new and grand. I said that "Michigan being Michigan" meant that we'd probably like to hang on to things that are unique and that this was a special old style hockey venue. The lady then says "this is nothing compared to the Kohl Center!" At which point my wife and I stood up, turned around and said "Ya! If you like watching hockey in a fucking basketball arena!"
She didn't come back after the first intermission.
I'll say it again loud and clear. The Kohl Center is a nice modern facility, but it absolutely cannot compare to the Yost environment. Not even close. I would've punched that woman, or at least hip-checked her into the Howell High Pep Band. You are a better person than me (kudos to your wife for dropping an f-bomb on her, though!).
I find myself sometimes bored watching hockey at the Kohl Center. I don't know why...I absolutely love hockey, but something about that place just makes me slump in my seat and want to fall asleep. The best part of the Kohl Center hockey experience is the "Enter Sandman" intro before Wisconsin takes the ice. It's all downhill from there. The students seem to have fun, but it just pales in comparison to Yost.
Yost Ice Arena was called Yost Field House until 1973, when it became home to Michigan Hockey.
It was home to Michigan basketball games until Crisler opened in 1967 and thus, for a good portion of its existence, was a "fucking basketball arena" that saw its share of excellent hoops, including the Cazzie Russell-led Final Four teams of the mid-1960s.
Cazzie never played in the "House that Cazzie Built."
I'm wondering how they expect to recruit top talent.
Considering Northwestern has NEVER been to the NCAA tournament, I don't think they have any expectation to recuiting top talent. As for their facilities, I think Tony Montana said it best, "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Indiana's Assembly Hall has this Soviet look about it, as if a Politburo of some kind should be meeting there.
Memorial Stadium, Assembly Hall. Why are they named the same. One is coincidence. Two is conspiracy.
Did anybody else start to feel a bit sorry for the Northwestern fans at the end of Tuesday's game? I know i did. They all had the same look my seven year old had last Christmas when it became brutually apparent to him he WASNT getting a pony despite all his letters to Santa. I have never felt pity for an opponent's fan base before but man, they kept putting this one guy with his kids and some students who literally made me feel bad for them. They were SO excited to finally get that "signature win" and then...poof....gone. They looked like they were going to break down and cry any minute.
But that second "foul" on Jordan Morgan pretty much negated any warm and fuzzy feelings I might have been harboring towards them.
Who said anything about the refs? They can rot in hell for all i'm concerned.
But Michigan outscored NW 53-27 when Morgan or Smotrycz were in the game. If they dont make that call, Michigan is up 13 at the half and nobody gets their hearts broken.
They can have their Christmas Day, New Year's Day, St Patrick's Day, and that day they lost their virginity - when they beat OSU. I will feel very happy for them. And us.
In my opinion, it's gotta be Ross-Ade stadium. It's outdated, ugly, never more than half full and seems to have a permanent stench of failure all about it.
I'd vote for Illinois's Memorial Statement. It's better updated, to be sure, but it's still ugly, is never full, is a wind tunnel, and, in addition to the stench of failure, also has the stench of nearby feed lots.
Definitely the ugliest B1G stadium I've seen, and certainly the worst gameday atmosphere I've witnessed. I mean, seriously, even Indiana had a better showing.
Fans and excitment are what make a facility great. A facility does not make excitment.
There is something sterile about many modern stadiums. I'm sure there is a reason why Camden yards, and Comerica and Yankee Stadium and Jacob Field were designed to be throwbacks, and not to be completely symmetrical. I'm not an architect or design guy, but when a stadium or arena is "perfect," something is . . . wrong. That's why 3 - Rivers Stadium and some of the other modern fields are already being demolished. No one likes them.
I never did like Crisler Arena, and am glad to hear that improvements are being made. There is something about an old building, with pipes, and bricks, and windows that open, that just feels right. That's part of the attractiveness of Yost. That's part of why I always liked going to the IM Building instead of the CCRB (don't know if they're still called the same thing.) Even though the new basketball practice facility is very modern, I think it was a great decision to have some windows at one end of the practice courts.
The best stadiums blend the old and the new seamlessly. That, I think, is what makes Michigan Stadium so good. The bones of the place are old, but the scoreboards and the high rent district luxury boxes are new, and beautiful, without being out of place.
There are definitely examples where bringing in something "new" failed badly. The Halo around Michigan Stadium was one example. Another is the monstrosity that is now Soldier Field.
There also are some old stadiums and fields that just don't have the space to really be successfully changed. I think that Wrigley Field and Fenway Park are examples of this. For all the fans who wax poetic about Wrigley, the players and coaches hate the place.
If Duke can succeed in Basketball, so can Northwestern. If NW had the right coach, and the kind of players at Duke, they could easily update Welsh-Ryan, and it would be a formidable location to play at.
Oh, and I don't like the purple floor. I don't dislike purple, but that floor doesn't do it for me.
Soldier Field reminds me of the spaceships that dock on the pyramids in Stargate. And not in a good way.
Why didn't you like Crisler? I've always thought it was underrated. Yeah, it used to be a little dark inside, but there's never been a bad seat in the house.
Speaking of stadiums, I find that the new generation of MLB stadiums is still very cookie-cutter: green seats, only one deck in the outfield, off-center scoreboard, "Pepsi Porch" (there are like five stadiums with one), view of the skyline behind center field, etc. The field dimensions (and the skyline behind the stadium) are really the only distinguishing factor for most of them.
...and my memory might be a bit sketchy because it's been 20 years since I've been to any of these places but I seem to recall that Central Michigan had a goofy basketball arena. On the other end of the spectrum, I remember going to Ferris State for a regional high school basketball game and it seemed like it was one of the coolest fieldhouses ever. Like straight out of Hoosiers cool.
NW Basketball - i like it, but they need a new scoreboard and updated concessions areas !!!!!
NW Football - The football stadium is a dump ! the videoboard is horrible, the one scoreboard didn't even work when we were their. and their concession stands suck, how do you run out of coca cola by halftime...
If they decide to renovate ryan field, they need lights, renovate the concession stands, 2 new scoreboards, both with video screens
I heard from soneone their talking new football stadium and basketball arena, but i don't think any drawings or pictures or anything has ever came up
Rutgers Athletic Center
The Bob Devaney Center at Nebraska was pretty gross. The concourse was ok, but the seating area made me want a tetanus shot. The place was silent as a morgue, even with a decent crowd. However, I will say that my impression is somewhat colored by the possibly homeless guy sitting two rows in front of me who smelled like he had recently shit his pants.
Luckily, Nebraska just broke ground on a new arena.
MacArthur Court of Oregon is a dark horse candidate. All 9,000 seats of it.
Does Oregon play any games there anymore?
Patrick Gym for the University of Vermont has to take the prize as the worst (they are technically d1, america east)
Pull out bleachers, no video screen. no nothing
That's really really really depressing.
It's gotta be the breslin. That place is a dump, literally.
Don't kill me, but I hate Joe Louis arena. It's a dump, the men's bathroom is the smallest thing ever, the stairs make me feel like im going to break my neck if I have anything to drink and the parking is awful. This whole talk of a new stadium/mall downtown is a much needed change.
What's your name and address....
Agreed. I sometimes fear for my life when I go to JLA. Place is pretty old and rickety.
Seats haven't been replaced in the buildings entire existance. Out of town scoreboards don't work anymore. 1990s scoreboard with a bad screen.
Best franchise in professional sports deserves the best arena in professional sports.
Solution: New Olympia Stadium
My vote is for the Allstate Arena home to the DePaul Blue Demons. My main beef with this place is its location. It's located 15 miles off campus. Student are transported by bus to the arena (if they want to go). Judging by last week's game vs Louisville...not many student wanted to go. There were maybe 100 students sitting in folding chairs behind one of the baskets. Louisville fans came by the bus load and easily outnumbered DePaul fans. Lastly, I think it cheapens the accomplishments of the great DePaul teams from the Ray Meyer era when you have your Final Four banner hanging in the same rafters as banners for the Chicago Wolves (minor league hockey) and Chicago Rush (arena football).
It shocks me that Ferry Field once looked like this:
Maybe it's because I played Class D basketball in Michigan, but I kinda like smaller gyms. We played a team that played in an armory with no bleachers. They pulled out folding chairs for the fans and it was poorly heated. When we went out for warm ups, it was hard to warm up....
The B1G shares revenue among all of its members. What is NW doing with the money? Clearly not spending it on facilities.