I know many people on here would like to discuss the draw, especially the U.S. position. Keep it here.
OT: World Cup Draw Thread
PLZ NO GROUP OF DEATH KTHXBAI
is out at least, Italy and Brazil in the first pot/pod, Egypt did not qualify. However, a Cameroon or Ivory Coast would be an awful match up for us, perhaps worse in Africa. (since they rep the county, I feel like I can us in this situation.)
Knowing how the world hate US Soccer I think we will be in the group of death like always.
When do they actually do the draw? Bob Ley just said something about 3 hours of televison...
I'm not really sure. I know it's a long drawn out process in terms of picking the ping pong balls.
I think the process starts at 12:45 EST. When it ends, nobody knows.
did the US no favors. Being grouped with Oceania eliminates some of the more favorable matchups and almost ensures a very tough draw. Add in the major injuries and it could be a rough Cup.
At least the games wont be at 3:15 in the morning like Korea/Japan. Although, it was fun watching the opening game upset, drinking pints, early in the morning.
I know most big gala's are this way but does anyone else feel like the World Cup Draw is ridiculously scripted?
Charlize Theron is lookin pretty good
Here we go Gents and Lasses.
Oh no! A Frenchman is doing the drawing? Shitshitshit
On a side note, I am totally waiting for this guy to tell Ms. Theron that he farts in her general direction.
EST for the england game. No middle of the week, mid morning game.
for the yanks
Yeeessss, USA v England
Alright got the Brits first. We kicked their ass back in WW2, cheerio, lets do it again.
USA is grouped with...
Does anyone else enjoy his open rooting for the US?
I love it. Better than the British, who seem have open dislike for their players at times.
Lalas is deplorable. McMamanaman and Ekoku were running circles around him. Intelligent conversation like those two provided is scarce in the American sports landscape. I hope ESPN bring them back in June.
I thought Macca did really well - as long as we have less Shaka Hislop and Janusz Michallik, I'm down with any changes ESPN makes.
In their opening match, that might be a bit ugly....
Second best result for us after South Africa, no?
Obvs still have some teams to be drawn, but a good start for sure.
hoping for Germany. We have a strong record against them, when not playing in Europe. Even the loss in Korea was against the run of play.
I would rathe play England in the later games, after injuries add up and Rooney gets suspended again. I worry about our backline against them.
I have no affiliation to either squad as a Canadian, but am a huge soccer fan in general. Anyone who thinks USA got a good draw by getting England needs their head examined.
This world cup I see England getting to the Quarter finals easily and perhaps the semi's. There are a lot easier teams the USA could have drawn. England will win.....sorry.
You do have agood chance to get out of the group though. I will be rooting for you!
I was worried about the other giants out there. England hasn't been as dominating lately (that I know of...obvs not fully up on my futbol news).
What other teams do we match up with better? Curious because if we hopefully get out of the group we may meet up with those other guys.
Did you see them in qualifying? I'd say they were fairly dominant. We can beat them, but its not going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination.
Did not see them, so I plead ignorance. They are seeded 9th, though, so I was taking that on its face. Didn't know they looked dominant.
I'm really just hoping we get out of the group stage in decent shape health-wise and give ourselves a chance. A draw with England would be a 'win' for us I think.
you just won't beat England to do it. Some of the other big guns I think you have a better chance against are: Germany (I don't see them being as strong as they have been in the past and for whatever reason, you guys always play them strong), the Netherlands seem to be in the midst of a down turn, Fance has been struggling lately as well....Basically, short of Brazil, Spain and Italy I think any team can be had at the present time. Those three seem to be in a league of their own though.
Having followed Englands run more closely, I have abetter knowledge of their squad. I see them playing as good as any one right now. I think that of the teams below those top three, England is playing the best right now.
It is a good draw in the sense that some of our players will be very familiar with the English players and their style of play. I think we match up much better against them than a team like Brazil or the Netherlands.
I do think England will easily win this group with 9 points and make a run to the semi-finals and maybe even win the entire thing. Fabio Capello is an asset that English squads of the past have not had at their disposal.
The draw committee did the US no favors by giving them England. I suspect any knowledgeable soccer fan would see quite the opposite. Any conception of that game going anything other than 2 - 0 England is nothing but pure homer talk. Fabio Capello runs a very good team that actually plays commensurate to the talent on the field(in a way that Sven Goran Eriksson did not)
what teams, aside from south africa, would have been a better draw?
NO IVORY COAST NO IVORY COAST
Juggling his love of country vs. his lust for US marketing domination
i can't wait to see his World Cup 2010 hair.....sitting next to Capello on the bench.
Algeria? Good or Bad?
Simply outstanding compared to the other options. Likely the weakest in the pod.
is a win. relatively, not literally. literally it's probably a terrible red card-influenced draw.
We play Algeria as our last game...that's another bonus with a knockout bid being on the line probably.
Wed 10:00 am game
Oh wow, this is shaping up to be an amazing draw. No Ivory Coast, no Ghana, no Cameroon, no Nigeria. wow wow wow. I never thought in a million years.
Any speculation on if Onyewu will be healthy enough to play?
and heard, it does not look good. Even if recovered, unlikely to be match fit.
Crap...who replaces him in the back?
If you know, let Bob Bradley in on it. So far, nobody has.
If Gooch doesn't come back it's probably DeMerit/Boca in the middle. DeMerit's been hurt but he'll be fine, it's some weird eye issue that's been keeping him out and he's supposed to be back very soon.
the last game I watched I remember thinking DeMerit did a nice job, so that's encouraging at least.
i vote for slovenia for spot for with the USA
Now all we need is a European team starting with S and we might actually be able to advance...might
This can still all go to hell if we draw Les Blues or the fighting Ronaldos.
That was about as prefect as possible sans drawing South Africa.
Bring 'em on.
Slovenia for final team, amazing draw. They have a great defense, but not likely to score much. Possible draw, almost certain low scoring.
This sounds like as good of a draw as the US could get without being drawn to be with South Africa.
Slovenia is good, but I will take it. Dodged a bullet. Now we just have to get it done on the pitch.
Very good, Offense is meh. Upset Russia to gain entry
Non-homer. If we can get somewhat healthy, we should be the number 2 side in this group
a full strength US squad is probably favored to finish 2nd. and you know what that means!
With the exception of England, we seriously lucked out with this draw. Here's to hoping we don't choke, prompting another use of the "i know it's over and oh it never really began but in my heart it was so real" tag
When was the last time we got a favorable draw in the World Cup. Anyone ready to drop a few g's to fly down to S. Africa?
You got a damn good draw in '94. By far the weakest pool:
Romania, Colombia, Switzerland and USA.
And still finished 3rd. Although there were fewer teams in the World Cup back then and the best 3rd place finishers advanced to the knockout stages.
Wow. I guess that 13% chance that we would get a favorable draw actually came to fruition.
is your Group of Death. 3 very good (sometimes) teams, plus never underestimate someone playing for his daily ration of food.
Wow Group G is death
"Welcome back to the World Cup N. Korea" come again in 40 years I guess
Well, at least its an ideal time to defect.
People I don't envy over the next 7 months: North Korean journalists. Good luck spinning this.
want to talk to Baby Seal U. They figured how to turn the game into a win.
I'm so excited. Seriously. Why do we have to wait :(
I'm excited too, but I would be willing to wait to possibly get back Oneywu and Davies.
Edit: I also forgot about Jermaine Jones and Castilla(sp??) getting more practice with the team.
There are a lot of wild cards in our roster that could result in us being even stronger than in Qualifying, or as disjointed as ever.
I shudder to think what will happen if Bradley has to make the decision sit little Bradley down in favor of Jones. More likely he gets moved up a little, which he's probably better suited for anyway, given his penchant for charging up field and out of position.
Damn, I even forgot about Maurice Edu. If Bradley makes the right decisions and our players are working well together, we could have a really good midfield.
Sat June 12 England
Fri June 18 Slovenia
Wed June 23 Algeria
Plan your off days accordingly.
All of these games are close to each other so travel won't be much of an issue for US team and the fans making the trip.
overall, great draw for us. it could've been a lot worse.
We'll be underdogs in the first game, while England will be expected to get maximum points out of that draw. They'll have a lot of pressure.
Plus that whole revolution a few centuries back.
That was as good as anyone could have hoped for.
I can't wait to see those Joga Bonito commercials once again.
If we do advance and come in second we could/should get Germany in the round of 16. Tough team sure but we play them well. That is looking ahead a lil much tho
Fight to a draw against England, and take the other two...think positive man!
The one thing I worry about most is though is expectation...the US doesn't do well with that. I think with this draw, if the US doesn't make the next round, it could set US soccer back somewhat.
Germany will be favorites to win the group but I think that group is the best overall. Other than South Africa, Germany would be the team I'd be least surprised to see fail to make the knockout rounds. Australia, Ghana, and Serbia are all very strong sides. That will be a fun group to watch.
You guys got a great draw and should be favored to make it out of the group stage. Could make a good run!
We always got orange wedges and capri suns at half time. After the game we went to Lamppost Pizza. Oh how I miss those games.
It's times like this when I really miss Sven-Goran Erikksson
Frickin' sweet draw. Also exciting: If we can squeak out the group win, we get a pretty decent second-round matchup.
If not, and we get second.....uh, hi, Germany.
We tend to play pretty well against Germany. Aside from South Africa and possibly Italy, I don't think there's a seeded team we'd rather play in the round of 16.
You wouldn't rather play Italy (or shouldn't). They are a virtual lock to get into the semi's at the very least.
We played Italy to a draw in the '06 World Cup while down a man. Last year in the Confederations Cup we played them relatively well again down a man. Plus, Italy is an aging team. It's certainly arguable as to whether they're a better matchup for the U.S. than Germany.
Bottom line is that the U.S. would have to advance to the semifinals to meet Italy and we both know that isn't happening.
Yeah, if you have to play Italy, you want to play them in the very first game, which they often drop. Once in the knockout stages, they only lose on penalties or horrible homer calls.
2002 horribly reffed loss to S. Kor
Not to burst your bubble, but 1) no way you take the group and 2) you guys play Germany really tight. I would say that is a best case scenario for you.
Good luck though. More than many most sports, anything can happen in soccer.
What country will you be cheering for in the WC?
Group of Death, and goal differential will probably matter for that 2nd spot to advance, I doubt anyone sits on a 2-0 lead against them
Yep, their goal difference may be pushing -15
The Mexican coach speaks better English than the England coach.
I was totally expecting a translator for the coach, but he held his own very well. What made that scene more suprising, was seeing the French coach awkwardly interrupt the interview. Douche.
Beautiful country. Spent Xmas 2003 there with the family. Similar to Australia, but even more beautiful.
Xmas eve, swimming with Penguins in the Indian Ocean. Priceless.
Cape of Good Hope, beautiful. Table Mountain, great view of Capetown.
I you can get there for the world cup, or any other time, I highly recommend it.
Avoid Johannesburg. Still too much violence there.
Group A - South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France
Group B - Argentina, South Korea, Nigeria, Greece
Group C - England, United States, Algeria, Slovenia
Group D - Germany, Australia, Ghana, Serbia
Group E - Netherlands, Japan, Cameroon, Denmark
Group F - Italy, New Zealand, Paraguay, Slovakia
Group G - Brazil, N. Korea, Côte d'Ivoire, Portugal
Group H - Spain, Honduras, Chile, Switzerland
The "Group of Death" appears to be G, although B and E may be no picnic for the top seed, either. Group A looks like the weakest overall (who's the favorite? A slumping France?) and the rest seem pretty lopsided in favor of the top seed.
I'm not sure why Group D doesn't get more attention as a group of death. It's not a bad group to play someone from, as we'll have to do if we advance, but it sure looks like a shitty group to have to be in. I think that looks like the toughest group to be a top seed in, barring South Africa in Group A which they really don't count as the top seed. And an even worse group to be one of the other three teams.
The Group of Death is only G because it's going to be nigh-impossible to advance out of for CdI. I think that's easily the most hosed team in the tournament, outside of the DPRK which wasn't going to advance no matter what group they got stuck in.
Group D should be exciting. By far my favorite and has a few games in there that i want to watch, especially Serbia v Germany. Serbia wont give up too many goals because they have one of if not the best defenders in the world with Vidic and Germany is solid all around, but being big and strong instead of fast and agile.
Oh and yes, France is the favorite, most likely sweeping group A. IF they loose one in group play it'll probably be vs South Africa.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me like England doesn't have the reputation for flopping, screaming, and injury-faking like the mainland Euros do. Am I just talking out my ass here? Because if I'm not, I'd think that's a big boost for our team that's not going to be talked about much.
That 'clean' image is just a product of a biased British media. They cry foul when a non-Englishmen dive but defend the embellishment of the likes of Rooney and Gerrard under the guise that the refs are biased against the English so their team have to dive in order to have it fair.
I'm getting married during the USA vs. England game.
I'd rather it conflict with the Super Bowl.
Hey maybe your bride to be will have a change of heart before hand. Maybe she'll want to get married in South Africa. Maybe she'll want to get married a few months later. Maybe she'll get pregnant tonight and you'll get married next month. Maybe she'll decide to marry TomHagen. There's a lot of time for things to change still. At least you can play off the time change thing and get married a few hours after the match.
HUH, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF SOCCER FANS HERE!!