Unless the USA gets in Switzerland's group, we are almost guaranteed to be in a group of death. Of course, this year every group will be one- there are no weak teams.
OT- World Cup Draw
The Ukraine is weak.
UKRAINE IS GAME TO YOU?!??!!
Seinfeld reference my friend
Seinfeld is a terrible show. And I don't think he is funny.
Ukraine. You not say Ukraine weak
A buddy of mine spent two years in Ukraine with the Peace Corps. Ukrainians despise "THE Ukraine." The country is just Ukraine, no "the" needed. Reminds them of when they were in the USSR and not independent, plus they hate Ohio.
Of course, this year every group will be one- there are no weak teams.
There are, but most of them are in our pot.
I think we'll be alright as long as we don't have to deal with the Netherlands or Italy, although it would help also if we got someone from Africa that isn't Ghana.
EDIT: I commented before looking at the pots.
All the teams I wanted to be seeded with are in our pot. Yikes.
Nightmare: Brazil, NED, USA and...gulp...Ghana.
I think the "nightmare" scendario Yahoo suggests isn't possible because NED is in pot #4. Maybe I'm not understanding how this works.
There are actually nine teams in Pot 4 and seven in Pot 2; the first thing they'll do in the draw is to move a random European team from 4 to 2 and then they have a fancy procedure to make sure that team is with a South American team from 1 so as not to have a group of three European teams. So if Italy or the Netherlands is moved over to 2, then they could be drawn with Brazil and us to create a disaster. From Pot 2 I'd say there are three African teams we don't want plus the European team if it's someone really good.
The flip side of course is that teams will be looking to Pot 3 as their potential minnow pot and praying they don't get the US. Italy had such a rotten showing in 2010 and I think our nightmare scenario is the same as theirs.
Thanks, it makes sense now.
This is the strongest the World cup field has been since.....EVER.
I was looking at the seeding, I think the top 18 teams in the world all made the field, and 23 or the top 24 teams.
The home team tends to get more than their share of the calls on the field (or "pitch", if you must), FIFA has shown that they don't mind assigning the most incompetent on-field officials available for World Cup matches featuring the USA.
Brazil is still good enough to beat us on skill alone (probably), but they are not up their usual standards talent-wise and FIFA will want to make sure they're playing as long as possible to keep the home fans involved in a positive manner.
the nightmare scenario would be gawdawful. and to think I was half considering going to South America next year hahaha
the US is rightly worried.. but think of the teams that draw the US or mexico from our Pot?
Have lots of chances for one easy game and get us instead... that would suck.
If what was rumored is true, United States is boned. Good God that'd be a horrible draw.
FIFA is European biased so the draw design favors the European teams heavily because Pot 4 is essentially a de facto second seeded pot, it contains the top ranked teams outside of Pot A minus Chile and the US. This draw design hurts the US the most of all of the teams, as the USA's group is the group with the lowest average rank on average if you simulated this thing a zillion times.
You just have to embrace the group of death thing and realize it'd be fine to get in a tough group. If we lose to some big teams, that would be expected. If we beat some and advance to the knockouts, that'd be considered a super sucessful world cup.The other option is getting a relatively easier draw and then we'd be in the camp of needing to advance to knockouts in order to make the World Cup at all sucessful. I also think the group of death thing could drive TV ratings, as many more Americans would tune in for USA-England or USA-Brazil vs. USA-Nigeria or USA-Greece.
I am not worried about the Germany, Brazil or Argentina teams being in the USA's group since the top 2 teams advance and as long as USA advances they could avoid a top top team for a few knockout rounds (having been in the same group stage). I just hope the other 2 teams in the group do not have the ability to beat USA and the other teams making it harder to get 1st or 2nd in the group stage. Switzerland would be easier for the USA to beat than Germany, but it would be easier for Bosnia or any other weaker team as well.
I want to see France-Brazil. Allez les bleus
My first go at the WC simulator: Swiss, Cameroon, USA, England. I'll take it.
My first go at WC simulator: Argentina, France, USA, Bosnia-Herzegovina.
So not terrible!
Colombia Netherlands USA France
Do any of you think we will ever see the US in the finals with a chance to win the World Cup?
I think so.
I think it was Chuck Klosterman, but he thinks the concussion issues in sports like football are going to push kids into soccer in the future.
But isn't soccer the number one sport for concussion issues? Maybe I'm wrong but if not then that doesn't make much sense
I don't think it will happen as long as we are in CONCACAF. The level of competition in this confederation is just too low to offer the U.S. (or Mexico for that matter) good preparation.
This WC will not be the same without Zlatan
So it's 11:54 am EST. What freaking time zone was it supposed to be drawn at 11am? Cuz nothing has happened thus far.
2 opening music/dance acts
Group D for Death. Italy, Uraguay.... Ballotelli vs. Suarez. Oh yeah.
Group E! We want group E.
Damn. Wanted to see Mexico lose to Brazil in the opening game
Mexico draws group A with Brazil & Cameroon
United states draws Germany and Ghana, group G
Germany is number 2....
Ghana has eliminated us from the past 2 world cups. So I say its time for redemtion!
don't forget they're with Portugal...good luck trying to get out of that group...
WTF Ghana and Germany
Crap. G. Ghana and Germany.
Being grouped with Germany was way too predictable. Too obvious of a story line to pass up.
France gets the luckiest draw.
No kidding - although everyone said that four years ago as well. France seems to play to its competition.
portugal, germany, ghana, usa
Fack. That is a really tough group
Holy shit this is a nightmare for the U.S.
For the 98% of Americans whose hatred of soccer is only outpaced by our hatred for American Soccer fans, this is a dream come true.
Can't wait to see someone on here hype up our great 0-2-1 preformance next year.
Good point. I wouldn't call myself an "American Soccer fan", or much of a soccer fan at all. I happened to watch the 98 world cup as a kid, and I like France.
Much more importantly for me will be USA Hockey in Sochi.
If you hate soccer so much, why bother commenting? What value is it that people get out of declaring that they hate soccer? I don't feel the need to tell folks how much I dislike figure skating and figure skating fans. (Not picking on you exclusively, JClay. Lots of people seem to want to declare how much they hate soccer.)
The majority of the world views it as a major sport, so you know what that probably makes it? A major sport. In fact, it's the world's most popular sport.
To me it's like hockey - if you can't see plays developing and understand strategy, match-ups, technique, and tactics then it's very difficult to watch. If you really have a feel for the game, it's engrossing. Anyway, I don't begrudge anyone their right to dislike soccer. I just wonder why so many folks like to announce that they hate it.
For some reason, and it's not just soccer, every so often somebody on MGoBlog feels the need to go into a thread and be a jackass about it. I don't personally go into things like, say, UFC threads, and lob a shit grenade about how UFC sucks and all its fans are stupid, but some people get their jollies this way.
You make good points. Maybe an even better analogy is NASCAR - which I have heard described as the number 1 spectator sport in the USA. I have never invested much energy into learning much about its allure, and find it really hard to watch more than 10 minutes of a race. But I recognize that my inability to enjoy it is based in part on my own ignorance. That ignorance is willful (I've got other fish to fry), but it's not something that I boast about.
It's the implicit boastfulness as much as anything that I don't get. I know there are some that feel that soccer is insufficiently American, but it seems to run deeper than that.
Hate just to hate. They don't like something and feel that others are dumb for liking said thing. So they have to make a point to try and make those others feel bad for liking a sport or whatever it might be. I admit I am not a fan of soccer but it's USA versus the world so of course I would root for my country. I feel the same way about the Olympics and baseball but you won't see me comment in a baseball thread about how boring the game is. To each his own and if you enjoy something then don't let the haters bring you down. Go USA!!!
The poster decided to be a douche by flamebaiting Soccer fans in this thread.
You are lucky that other jerk posted the comment about being glad Winston wasn't getting charged because he didn't want to see OSU play FSU without their starting QB, or this would be the douchiest comment I have read on here. And I haven't even watched a soccer match since the 1998 World Cup.
but you know what they say - gotta beat the best to be the best. I hope we can do something good, especially third-time charm against Ghana
And Portugal. This is laughable. We get one of the favorites (Germany), a team we can't beat (Ghana) and the team with the best player in the world (Portugal).
Obviously the group of death. And we have the worst travel schedule.
Let's face it, any group they were placed in was going to be tough. I, for one, am excited that they're going to be playing one of the best teams in the world in Germany, one of the best players in the world in Ronaldalo and that they're going to finally get a chance for revenge against Ghana. To be the best, you've got to beat the best. Bring it on!
It's time to beat Ghana and it's not like they destroyed the US in either game.
Another story line that may be interesting is who Julian Green picks as his National team. It's conceivable that he picks the US and then faces Germany in Brazil. Amazing.
Portugal is a good team, emphasis on good. They struggled in qualifying and didn't they lose to Israel?
you also need to be good. we needed France or Switzerlands draw
Portugal and Germany come out of our group, we are done. Literally we cannot be either team, not a chance. I hate to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy in this case. Doom, doom, doom.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge. I was really hoping for a nice deep run, not a blood bath to start off with.
Portugal chokes at the World Cup, and that we beat them in the group stage in 2002. Otherwise, just more doom and gloom in an already rough fall.
...hasn't lost a group stage match since 2002--eight years ago they made it to the semis and lost 1-0 to France, four years ago they lost in the round of 16 to the eventual champion, again 1-0.
Not sure I'd call either trip a "choke".
Love it. Gonna be fun.
going to be there?
attending a world cup is a bucket list item of mine, but im not exactly chomping at the bit to head out to qatar in the summer or russia after that....
Don't want to be in a Brazilian stadium collapse either.
That's us, Otto von Butthurt.
England's and Mexico's prospects not looking much better.
I cannot decide what is worse - baseball or soccer. They're both just terrible sports, but I guess if I had to choose one to watch, it would be soccer. At least soccer has some sort of action.
The sports I enjoy watching are superior to the sports you enjoy watching.
I have this dilemma as well. I can't decide who's a bigger prick, you or Justin Bieber. Would I rather go to a Justin Bieber concert or read a novel full of your fuckery? Hard to say, man. Hard to say.
You literally contribute nothing of substance to the board.
My heart is just...broken.
Jebus, we got fukt. The toughest CAF team and two nasty UEFA ones. Of the other teams from our pot I wouldn't want to swap into Group B or D, but there are some damn nice-looking ones (E, H) that I sure wouldn't mind.
Good point. B and D would have been harder.
So we lose to Germany, draw and win against one of Portugal and Ghana... 4 points could get us through this group. Then we would probably face Belgium or perhaps Russia.
Our last group game is against Germany. If they have #1 locked they might put in reserves for this game.
I don't think it's possible to lock up the #1 seed before the final game. You can clinch advancement but not the #1 seed.
...was playing Germany last in the group.
If they already have advancement secured (preferably by clinching first in the group), maybe they'll opt to rest some of their starters and field a second-choice XI.
But they are still Germany and they are SO good that it probably won't matter.
Oh, well...it SHOULD be a helluva tournament. I would have liked for the USA to be more of a player in it, but unles we can craft some Japan-Korea2002-era magic, it ain't happening.
Not much of a soccer-follower here, so forgive my ignorance. But I couldn't help but notice, both here and on other sites and especially my Facebook news feed, that the general consensus seems to be that the US team might as well stay home now. Are upsets really that rare? I have a hard time understanding how soccer can be that lacking in parity compared to other sports. I mean, it's one game against one opponent, it's not like we're talking best-of-sevens, which do make upsets dramatically harder. Is it that inconceivable for a Cinderella to catch fire, as happens nearly every March in the Big Dance?
Two major obstacles to ever seeing a Cinderella story in the WC: one, there's months of prep time in between now and then, and that doesn't really help the underdog because giving a powerhouse that much prep time for a specific opponent is pretty tough on the underdog. Two, you don't always control your own fate precisely because of group play. You can win all three games and then you win your group, but you can also end up easily in a situation where you're depending on some other underdog to also win.
the World Cup has always been won by one of the following:
- Germany (or West Germany)
- the host country
So, no, there hasn't been a lot of Cinderella. I'd lay pretty long odds that one of those five will win it again.
that Brazil will likely be paired with Spain or Netherlands in the round of 16.
For a host country, that's harsh
also gets to play Portugal in Manaus, in the heart of the Amazonian jungle. Its other two matches are in Recife and Natal along the coast in hot, humid, rainy weather.
I think we could win the world cup this year. Its highly unlikely, but things happen. It'd be less of an upset than Greece winning the European Championships.
As for the future, we are a country of 350M with a growing soccer culture, we have a ton of 2nd generation Americans growing up with the soccer culture from other places, MLS is focuing more on youth development, and we are probably a top 15 or 20 team in the world right now. No reason we can't become a global power in the next 30 years. Then there is lady luck, once we are a top 5-10 team, those teams are very close and anything can happen. I think you will see an enormous change during our lifetime.
Where we still lag behind is true superstar talent. Jozy/Bradley/Dempsey/Donovan may be worth 15M Euros (at their maximum value throughout their careers) but we have no Neymar/Ronaldo/Messi or even a Rooney/Van Persie/Ozil/etc.
...why is Ghana so feared? Is it just the past history with the US?
As a Germany fan I was pretty relieved with part of the draw--I was much more worried about Ivory Coast or Nigeria. Ghana's results have been pretty poor the last four years and I can't remember them ever beating a major power. And the current roster doesn't frighten me either--the defense is weak, goalkeeper even weaker.
has knocked out USA twice in the WC. Last WC, USA defense cannot keep Asamoah Gyan in check and he wreaked havoc all game long. USA isn't strong on defense so that's troubling.
If I'm following this correctly, at least one of Brasil, Spain or the Netherlands will not make it to the quarterfinals. Wow.
we got this