Sorry if this was already posted...didn't see it anywhere:
mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
Sorry if this was already posted...didn't see it anywhere:
Getting out of the Joe could also affect the upcoming Cobo renovation plans.
Stupid. Sorry if anyone disagrees but it's Joe Louis arena. They've been there how long? It seems like illitch doesn't want the wings there and was obligated because of the lease agreement. If it needs drastic improvements then deal with it but don't take the wings out of the Joe.
I understand the history at the Joe and all, but that place is a hole. They either need to do some extreme renovations, or they need a new home. All the articles I've seen on the monetary situation suggest that it'd be significantly cheaper to build a new arena than it would be to do the necessary updates to the Joe to bring it up to date. To me, a short stay at the Palace would be a great sign, as it signals that the new arena that they need is coming.
I've worked at the Palace during the summer for quite a few years. Last summer, one of my managers mentioned to me that a few groups of players for the Wings had come through to tour the facilities on separate occasions. It sounds like a temporary stay (and that's all it sounds like it would be, temporary while a new arena is built) at the Palace is a very real possibility for the Wings, and there's more than mere speculation to support that possibility.
It's not that historic. The Joe opened in 1979.
I just don't see the Pistons leaving the Palace. That place is still a great arena. It isn't like how the Joe is and the Silverdome and Tiger Stadium were. Granted, interest in the Pistons and the NBA as a whole is down, so a partnership between two teams might make sense in the long run for the Pistons. It obviously makes sense for the Red Wings currently.
At least for a little while, it can bring back memories of the Vipers.
Now that everyone have officially jumped off the Pistons band wagon, I think a move to Detroit would be great for both sides. There's a reason that the Silver Dome sold for $500,000; location, location, location. A joint stadium downtown with dual lease agreements could secure the funds for a top flight venue and fan base.
what a great arena can do to help gentrify an area. Michigan will bounce back. Detroit will bounce back. ... A shared arena could help that effort.
Part of a significant reinvigoration of downtown LA. Surrounded by LA Live, the Ritz Carlton residences, and a major loft-conversion wave in downtown Los Angeles. Staples is, shockingly, a hub of urban redevelopment.
(Formerly the MCI center) has gone a long way towards improving the Gallery Place-China Town area.
Hopefully Mike's senior moment will get us a Jerry Jones style stadium, with CAGE DANCERS!
Bill Davidson's wife is setting the family up to sell the Pistons. Will probably happen in the next year or two. She has already gone to the NBA front office to seek advice on how to proceed with a sale. My bet, Pistons get sold and move from Detroit. This area cannot continue to sustain 4 pro sports franchises, plus 2 major universities within an hours drive. As the Michigan economy continues to spiral downward I just don't believe the economic resources will be there for the Pistons to survive in this area. People are not going to spend their few entertainment dollars on a poor product. The Pistons history here in Detroit isn't that long and anyway. It basically only exists from 1988 to the present.
are two very different things. I think the NBA would want a franchise to remain in Detroit(somewhere) because of all the basketball history and players that come from the state.
Their championship history may only extend from 88, but the Pistons have been in Detroit for almost 50 years now. There's no way the Pistons leave Detroit, like was said Stern wouldn't allow it since Metro Detroit is still one of the 10 largest populations in the country.
In any case, I really like this downtown arena idea.
Unless, of course, he has a buddy that wants a NBA franchise out in Fargo, North Dakota. In that case, all bets are off.
I've always worried about the Pistons moving. But if the Lions, perennial losers, have not, I don't think the Pistons will either. I have to disagree that their history basically began in 1988. While the Pistons didn't win until 89, they really started their upswing when they drafted Isiah Thomas.
If the Pistons are indeed sold, I wonder in David Stern will assist in coming up with an agreement that somehow makes Dan Gilbert owner. The only question is if Gilbert would want to give his majority ownership in the Cavs since they have LeBron. However, if LeBron leaves after this year, the prospect of owning the Pistons may become more attractive.
This area cannot continue to sustain 4 pro sports franchises, plus 2 major universities within an hours drive.
I love when people just randomly pull arguments out of their ass. All four Detroit franchises have drawn well at the gate over the past decade, despite the state being in a semi-permanent state of recession.
Detroit is situated at a strategic chokepoint on a significant international waterway (yes, I know, Canada, lol and all that).
Yes, times are hard and the area is experiencing a painful contraction in its dominant industry, but the area is not going to dry up and blow away overnight.
the whole earth is in decline. the humans are in a downward spiral. in a thousand years most pro teams will be relocating to planet mesko.
I sure hope this doesn't happen becuase I will NOT make that horrendous trek from downriver to Auburn Hills to see the Wings. I love them but that area is a trainwreck with any amount of traffic.
I hope the Pistons get sold and move downtown! I've never been to a Pistons game because I've heard it's extremely annoying to drive all the way to Auburn Hills.
And the linked article proves it.
He presents a mish-mash of reasons why the Wings and Pistons would or would not partner, in Oakland County or in Detroit, temporarily or permanently. The article is an incoherent mess that does not adequately support its conclusions.
This prospective partnership likely won't happen because both Illitch and the Davdison family have entertainment businesses that are built around locations. The Palace makes money as an entertainment venue, and the Pistons fill up 50 dates or so on the calendar. The Illitches make money from the Hockeytown Cafe and other enterainment venues in downtown Detroit, as well as parking, etc. Having the Pistons and Wings play in the same arena, reagardless of where it is, will hurt one of those ancillary enterainment businesses. Neither the Pistons nor the Wings has a real incentive to do that.
Illitch has been assembling property west of the Fox Theatre for years. He wants to build an arena there and he probably will. He's trying to cut the best deal for himself, and negotiating with the Palace is a way to put pressure on the government entities and other players downtown so he can get what he wants. The Wings will probably end up renewing at the Joe for a few years or playing at Ford Field.
The only way the Pistons move back downtown is if the franchise and Palace Sports and Entertainment are split up and sold separately. But I doubt that will happen. There are too many synergies from having the Pistons be the central tenant in an entertainment venue in Oakland County. In this sense, the Pistons also benefit from creating the impression that they might move downtown. That threat gives them leverage in negotiating with government entities in Oakland County about the construction of a new arena there.
I swear, according to McCosky, Every move the Pistons have made is a great one, and it's weird lucky they haven't won 8 straight championships.
Man, I went to the GLI at the Joe with my father right after it opened (still had that new hockey arena smell!)
Now I feel old.
makes it sound as if they will definitely NOT be playing at the Joe next year, which is kind of surprising.
Honestly though, I was more shocked to read that PS&E wants a new arena built before 2020. By all accounts, the Palace seems to be in great shape...
Given that the Palace has 22,000 seats and around 190 suites, I can't really see how you could improve on it (from a revenue-generating standpoint).