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By GWUWolverineFan — March 28th, 2011 at 8:11 PM — 67 comments
Hawks fighting for their playoff lives..

Has been a great first, hard hitting and fast paced.

Bertuzzi out with a major. 2-1 Hawks
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March 28th, 2011 at 8:15 PM | Pretty goals all around (Score:1)
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I'll remind everyone that I'm originally from Chicago at the start of the thread....

But the wings had a very pretty 4-on-4 goal. Also, chippy game thus far, Hawks need to stay out of the box

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:17 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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That Bertuzzi hit was a major, but players need to keep their heads up. He has his head up he doesn't risk injury an Bertuzzi doesn't take a major.

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:23 PM | Give me a break. Bertuzzi (Score:1)
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Give me a break. Bertuzzi left his feet and hit him in the head with his elbow. Bertuzzi is a bitch. Don't defend him. I can't believe anyone wants him on their team. He's a bum. He's a chickenshit bum.

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:27 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Bullshit, players leave their feet all the time making hits and don't get called. Johnson had his head down and had no clue what was going on around him, his own bench was even calling for him to pull his head up.



This bullshit attitude about cleaning up hockey has done nothing to improve the game. I guess you would view Bob Probert and Joey Kocur as chickenshit players. Hockey is a violent game. Anyone remember the old Wings-Avalanche rivalry? Try to name anything comparing to it in the post lock out era.



If you don't attempt to protect yourself, you don't deserve to be saved by the refs.

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:30 PM | As a hockey player (Score:1)
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I totally 100% disagree with you. High hits and head contact have no place in hockey. I said it below, Bertuzzi could have hit him in a much cleaner way. That was a DANGEROUS play. Not a hockey play. Just remember who you're defending here. This guy:

He shouldn't be playing hockey in my opinion

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:37 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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He got his punishment for that hit both by the league and by the courts. If the league and players association was find with him coming back, then fine.

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:42 PM | So just to be sure, you're (Score:1)
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So just to be sure, you're fine with Corey Tropp coming back???

Steve Moore still hasn't played yet, right??

UM 2001-2005

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:45 PM | Steve moore (Score:1)
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will never skate again. 

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:58 PM | Exactly.   Now, I see the (Score:1)
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Exactly.

 

Now, I see the two sides of most of these hits, also as a former player I have some perspective on the game

Chara's hit on Patch, dirty/intentional: in a way NO, but anyone who has played the game KNOWS where the boards end like that and dream of rubbing someone out.  OBVIOUSLY not injuring someone, but making a good hit.  Also, if you are the offensive player in that situation you ALSO know where you are on the ice and you have to be aware.

Komisarek also had a huge hit earlier in the week and people are saying Mark Olver was defenseless, Komisarek left his feet, hit him high (yada yada yada)...  The thing is these hits don't happen if the offensive player has his head up, I've been hit enough times to think twice about going over the middle, making a clearing pass, trying to squeeze by along the boards...

 

Alot of these hits are debatable, the hits that really need to be removed are the ones like Matt Cooke last week, where he literally threw his elbow right on the chin

 

 

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:02 PM | I can't really disagree... (Score:1)
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I didn't think Chara's hit was dirty, he was riding Max off the puck. But like you said these are debatable. I think Bertuzzi's tonight was definitely a 5+Game, and maybe a game or two suspension due to his history/the current focus on hits to the head.

 

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:28 PM | Moore is NOT paralyzed (Score:1)
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that is a really common misconception. He is NOT paralyzed he actually had an offer to play minor league hockey after the incident but he declined. 

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:25 PM | Goes both ways (Score:1)
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Bertuzzi leads with his shoulder rather than spin with an elbow up high and it's a great clean hit

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:38 PM | Exactly, its not a problem (Score:1)
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Exactly, its not a problem that its a hard hit. It's that he goes high at his head with his elbow. It's a bullshit hit and it has no place in the game. Just like Bertuzzi.

"Those who stay will be champions."
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
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March 28th, 2011 at 10:20 PM | Watch it again (Score:1)
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Bertuzzi does not lead with his elbow high.  His elbow starts out below his shoulder, but then because he has his back to the player + the fact that his stick hand is floating (carrying the stick off the ice)  when his arm makes contact with the other players arm, it rides right up the arm and hits him in the head.  It was a major penalty for sure, considering every player needs to be in control of their own body. (just like high sticking) But, I do not believe from watching the replay that Todd intended to hit him in the head with his elbow.

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:25 PM | He paid the price for the hit (Score:1)
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He paid the price for the hit and he's been better. Get over it. He's not just a goon now, he's helped the Wings tremendously by becoming more of an all-around player. 
 

I completely agree with the poster above, saying that this is very comparable to Probert, Kocur, or even McCarty. Their role was to intimidate, hit, and be a nuisance. That's hockey.

Claude Lemeiux is actually probably the most comparable to Bertuzzi because of his hit on Draper. As a Wings fan, I despise Lemeiux with a burning passion, but I think it's wrong to say they don't deserve a spot in hockey.

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March 28th, 2011 at 11:04 PM | that hit isnt bad at all (Score:1)
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that hit isnt bad at all theres worse hits that are "legal" typical NHL the non-hockey league.

If you see someone in an airport with Michigan logos on luggage and they are wearing a pilot uniform come say hello.

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:18 PM | I feel like the Hawks survived that period (Score:1)
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yet are up 2-1. Both teams looking good. I do NOT want the wings round 1 (assuming we can make the playoffs, yada yada)

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:19 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Where is datsyuk :( if he's out there this would be a whole different game.

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:13 PM | he was hit a few games back (Score:1)
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he was hit a few games back and his hand got caught up in the glass. I believe he has missed 4 straight games.

 

If the playoffs started today he would be playing his usual 20 minutes a game

CHARLES WOODSON DOWN THE SIDELINE

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:41 PM | Now that (Score:1)
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was a great save by Macdonald, and great defense on that breakaway by Hjalmarsson, looked cleaner live than on replay

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:41 PM | That... probably should have (Score:1)
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That... probably should have been a penalty... (Holmstrom take down on breakaway).

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:42 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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What! No penalty?

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:47 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Wow.. Nice move to recover by Crawford

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:48 PM | Both goalies (Score:1)
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on point tonight. Playoff atmosphere for sure

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:54 PM | As an aside: (Score:1)
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I hate Abdelkader. It's probably a combination of his MSU background and his gritty-goonishness. I'd probably like him if he were on my team.

 

Also, Crawford is on his game like Woah tonight

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March 28th, 2011 at 8:57 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Crawford is playing great for sure. Also the Hawks are doing a good job trying to keep the wings off balance with shift changes.

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:19 PM | Let's go Hawks (Score:1)
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Need to get hot again and finish out the year strong

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:30 PM | Goal! (Score:1)
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Z.  Tied up. 

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:31 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Pretty.



2-2

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:44 PM | wow (Score:1)
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Hossa definitely just punched Eaves right in the face after the whistle. 

And no penalty called....awesome

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:50 PM | He was hit first (Score:1)
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He was hit first

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:55 PM | hitting (Score:1)
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it happens in hockey, punching people in the face is generally a penalty though. Sorry I am just pissed about the Seabrook hit on Helm at the end of the 2nd where he had his elbow up just like Bertuzzi did and wasn't even given a minor. 

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:59 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Saw that one. But yadda yadda he doesn't have the history etc

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:00 PM | Nah it was all clean (Score:1)
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Nah it was all clean

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:51 PM | This game has been played (Score:1)
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This game has been played with play-off intensity.

After crashing his motorcyle in Chicago -- while having a blood-alcohol level three times the legal limit -- Bob Probert told the arresting police officers, "Just charge me with the usual."  Such a bad-ass.

R.I.P. Bob

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:54 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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I love it

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March 28th, 2011 at 9:52 PM | 4 on 4 let's break the tie!!! (Score:1)
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4 on 4 let's break the tie!!!

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:01 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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MacDonald is playing great

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | PP going into OT (Score:1)
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PP going into OT

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | Weak penalty call against Z (Score:1)
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Weak penalty call against Z

After crashing his motorcyle in Chicago -- while having a blood-alcohol level three times the legal limit -- Bob Probert told the arresting police officers, "Just charge me with the usual."  Such a bad-ass.

R.I.P. Bob

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | fucking hossa (Score:1)
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fucking hossa 

Recruit Files: Robert Foster

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:09 PM | Agree... (Score:1)
acnumber1
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Joined: 10/19/2009
MGoPoints: 2661

...nice shot, though.

5 4 3 2 1 Touchdown!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | damn it (Score:1)
goblueram
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Joined: 08/18/2009
MGoPoints: 1962

damn it

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | HOW DO YOU LIKE HOSSA NOW. (Score:1)
ILwolverine
Joined: 02/24/2011
MGoPoints: 984

HOW DO YOU LIKE HOSSA NOW. YEAH BABY

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:09 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
GWUWolverineFan
Joined: 09/22/2009
MGoPoints: 640

He is still a diving bitch

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:11 PM | sick (Score:1)
goblueram
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Joined: 08/18/2009
MGoPoints: 1962

Sick player.  Has that changed recently?  No, he has always been sick.. 

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:08 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
GWUWolverineFan
Joined: 09/22/2009
MGoPoints: 640

Great job by the refs giving the game to the hawks with that weak call

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:15 PM | No the refs gave us a (Score:1)
ILwolverine
Joined: 02/24/2011
MGoPoints: 984

No the refs gave us a powerplay. Kill the penalty and it's not a problem

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:27 PM | Herp a derp. It's not 'just a (Score:1)
david from wyoming
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Joined: 03/15/2009
MGoPoints: 2847

Herp a derp. It's not 'just a powerplay', it's a 3-4 in sudden death overtime.

Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th

I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm

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March 28th, 2011 at 10:37 PM | Quotes (Score:1)
ILwolverine
Joined: 02/24/2011
MGoPoints: 984

Where are you quoting 'just a PP' from. Just curious

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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