OT - Why to me, basketball will always play second fiddle to football

Agreed on your points, but that's not the reason I love football more.  I feel it is the ultimate team game where 1 single dominant player will not singlehandedly win the game.

Seems like the last football game they played this year was pretty much defined by an iffy no-call right at the end.

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It would be nice if the refs were made available for comment at some point. It would be interesting to hear how they saw that live. Clearly that was way too much contact to not call anything. And then they call the ticky tack reach in on the iSU player who has a kansas player laying on him and ku player has touched the ball while out of bounds. You're not "letting the players decide it" when you let them break the rules to do it.

I it normal now to run and dunk when the game is over? Oladipo does it against us, and Elijah Johnson last night. I always thought you were supposed to dribble the clock out not pad your stats.

The NBA isn't even real basketball anymore. 3 or 4 steps, running like a RB to the hoop. Stars get all the calls and are never called for fouling because the league wants them in the game as much as possible. It's like the WWE now, fake even though its still unscripted.

He didn't call a block, first off.

Watch the baseline official. He doesn't raise his hand to signal a foul on the contact.

He raises it on the grab of the kansas player who has the ball.

I'm fine with the no-call or the charge there. (the defensive player flopped big time but did take the contact) and it was the right call on the hold of the kansas player.  The ball fell into the lap of the kansas player who tried to pass the ball out but was grabbed by the player who originally attempted to take the charge. If you don't call that and Kansas is unable to kick the ball out, aren't you deciding it there.

All that said, make your FT at the end and it's a moot point.

And come on. Pass inferference in Nat'l Title game OSU vs. UMiami? There are many, many examples of call/no-calls in football at the end of the game and the argument could be made that they are more impactful than a basketball call.

Sitting in the end zone when a certain pass interference penalty was not called against msu vs Desmond Howard. That seemed to be similarly determinative, no?

to a certain extent, but to me it is no different than the pass interference call in football.  That particular penalty call / no call seems to decide a number of games during the course of the season.  Ultimately it is almost a complete judgment call from the official, since there are varying degrees of PI on almost every pass.  Same thing with holding.

....to remember Spartan Bob.... or Desmond getting tripped in the endzone.... or, to be fair, Michigan's win over Illinois in 2000, for example.

I've been watching college basketball and football for over 40 years.  Football has been far more popular than basketball for longer than that.  A lot more penalties get called in basketball than football, many of which are judgment calls, but that has always been the case.  The biggest change is that there are far more games televised today with more camera angles, better lighting, more replays shown, and the worst that some television commentators feel like they are the stars, to the point that they won't shut up and just let viewers just watch and enjoy the game.

When you've rooted for Josh Aselin...and you've watched what they've become...It's one of the great underdog stories in sports as far as I'm concerned. If we get a Disney ending this year someone may mess around and try to write a book.

be better than basketball because the reffing in the latter is bad? Not super-logical, but you're entitled to your opinion. I think that refs have long determined outcomes or distorted them in the major sports; the media and fans are much better positioned to scrutinize nowadays. 

I probably love both sports equally, but tire of hearing football fans rake on basketball. Different ethos, both fascinating. Hoop has arguably gotten better with big men less dominant. All the gossip and bickering that today surround both sports are tiresome. Not pointing to the OP, but there's a racist tinge to some basketball criticism. I saw some people on message boards talking about starting a white league--hilarious and embarrassing. 

My biggest complaint with college basketball these days is that I have no idea what is a charge vs. a block.  Commentators don't seem to know either.  If someone drives the lane, makes contact with a defender, we all just look at the ref to see what the call will be this time.  Seems random a lot of the time.

I notice this more when I'm watching a non-UM game where I don't have as clear of a rooting interest, and it's frustrating.  And I know the B10 is all about "toughness", but the degree that offensive players can get mugged without a call is annoying.

My first love was basketball because I started playing it at a young age, but I've recently been watching more college basketball, not just Michigan, and it becomes almost unwatchable at times. The sequence at the end of that game last night was appalling and the referee that had probably the worst view on the court made a call that he couldn't even see when another had a perfect view and didn't call anything.  The charge I was ok with being a no call at first, but after they called the foul not 2 seconds later, there was no way to not call that charge. Just a terrible job all around.

to me about bad basketball officiating when the memory of Desmond getting tackled in the end zone on the 2 point conversion against Michigan State in 1990 still burns.