RIP Tom Kowalski.
OT - Who is Drinking the Honolulu Blue Kool-Aid?
Honolulu Blue Kool-Aid is a seasonal flavor. It's great on a hot summer day, but never tastes good in the fall.
And it never tastes better than during preseason.
Ill say under and go 8, there secondary didnt get that much better, and the NFC is so stacked I think it'll be tough.
Over. Because of the annoying scheduling system the NFL uses.
Playoffs? Playoffs? /jimmora
I was excited when they hired Morningwig fergodsakes...Lions fandom is the only fandom I do NOT to pass to my kids.
I am its all about staying heathly
I think they made quite a few improvements to the secondary. Houston, Quin, Delmas and Slay/Bentley doesn't look all that bleak to be honest, now the linebacking unit is a different story. Realistically I think this is an 8-8 that could overachieve and get to 10 wins but who knows.
don't forget they just released robiskie and signed pope to be delmas insurance
See ya Swartz
I will take the under
I'm drinking the royal plum and champagne silver kool aid baby. The only championship team in Detroit football history in my lifetime-
The return of the USFL baby! Less than one year away.
There has always been a Michigan Panthers penant in my family's basement, and I've always wished I could have seen them play.
Everyone who is a Lions fan is drinking some sort of Honolulu blue Kool-Aid. How else would we continue to be fans all this time. Anyways, I'll take the over by a smidge (9 wins) mainly because of Bush and how he may cause or take advantage of teams not playing balanced. Early in the season, either teams will only respect the pass, allowing Reggie to excel far greater than expected, or they'll over compensate for Reggie, allowing Megatron to go off.
9 wins. Mostly because the Lions have found ways to lose for so many seasons that most opposting teams will look at this game in their schedule as almost a bye. I think they'll catch teams off guard.
The way this team drafts (save for two worth while picks) is terrible. I do not trust Jims eye for talent. Period. Suh (a homerun either way) is the only thing that is even worth a mention. This team will be garbage. It starts at the top.
They need Ansah, Slay, and Warford to be good starters from day one, which is makes one question how good they can be this year. If the Lions defense can improve to at least solid and if Stafford regains his 11' form than the Lions can win 10-11 games. But if the defense struggles and Stafford is simply good than this team will win 6 games.
It really depends on the defense.
Honest question, is Ansah expected to start or get significant PT? I know he's a project but hopefully one that can learn on the field.
I would bet that Ansah and Idonije are the starting DE's week 1 against Minnesota barring any kind of training camp/preseason injury.
idonije or jones will start opposite of ansah, hopefully we will see some more creative packages out of gunther rotating the D-line around since i've read jones and idonije have experience on the inside. Suh needs to get moved around a little more i think so the offense cant target him on every play, and he also needs to figure out that wham/trap/whatever it is called that the 49ers ran against us cause they just let him rush in and he got trucked by the TE and it worked at least 5-6 times the last two years for pretty big yards.
but Schwartz's ego and questionable playcalling will cause them to blow two of those games.
I predict that at some point during the season, I will think the Lions have a nonzero chance of making the playoffs. You're right, that's some pretty strong kool-aide
Wish they would have gotten Miliner.
I've been predicting 16-0 for the last 20 years. It's bound to happen sometime right?......right?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
This is a 6-10 team at best, IMO. I'm not sold on Ansah, we're short an LB or two, and the line still needs work. Raiola is on his last legs (and wasn't too great to start with), and we're replacing both tackles with question marks.
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I have no dog in this fight (dislike the NFL), but seeing how everyone is saying Bush is good for turning those 1-2 games each year the Lions find a way a loose into wins then I should forewarn you that Bush will be out for the season by Week 6. Raback and BKFinest that.
The Dolphins. He played every game with them and ran for over 2000 yards in two years so the injury prone label doesn't apply to him
We're Detroit, he'll be hurt stepping on a pot hole and twiting his knee walking to training camp. Thats what we do.
^^This is what I was getting at.
Bush won't be running behind Jake Long in Detroit either.
i think long was out most of last season, so he wasnt running behind him last year anyways
even with Jake Long at LT. He was hurt for most of the season so Bush showed that he can run in between the tackles unlike his days at NOLA.
8-8. Stafford throws off his back foot 80 percent of the time because raiola is getting knocked over, and they get gashed late in the season after an injury or two.
Minimum. They still are one of the most talented team in the league. Stafford has the ability to be the best QB in the league. Megatron is Megatron. Lions offense were humming when they had Jahvid Best at RB but losing him really hurt the offense. With an addition of Bush, I expect the offense to get back to the level of '11 season.
I expect the defense to be much improved with a more consistent pass rush and improved secondary. They added Ziggy, Devin, Slay, Quin and resigned Houston and Delmas. They added Jason Jones and Isreal Idonije. The DL has more size and upgraded pass rush. I expect Suh and Fairley to get into the next level which is surprising considering both played at an extremely high level. The two question marks are at OL and LB.
My expectation is 8 wins minimum with a realistic shot of winning 10 games. According to the computer, the Lions are one of the unluckiest team in the league based on Pythorgeon values. They were a 9-7 team who happen to be 4-12 team last season. They lost 8 games decided by a touchdown or less. They were 4-4 at midseason before their 8 game losing streak to end the season. 4-4 was a huge disappointment considering they lost because of their special team. I expect the trend to reverse and Lions goes 10-6 thus making the playoff twice in the last 3 years. People forget that they made the playoff 2 years ago and they were in the game against the Saints at first round.
You've drunk so much kool-aid it's swamping your neural circuits.
which is a projection of a team's expected wins based solely on point scored and allowed.
On the topic of the Lions, if they make the playoffs and lose the first game, does Schwartz get another year?
ever make the Superbowl in my lifetime. Every year I drink the honolulu blue kool-aid, and every year I start to wish Dr. Kivorkian made the kool-aid. I also start to wonder why God is so angry with the Lions. AHBG.
This has another one bites the dust written all over it, without the wins of course.
The lions will have a long season.
6-10. They'll start 4-1 and then they'll stink and tickets for December games will be selling for $10.
I signed up for season tickets once again this year, so that comes with a free year's supply of Kool-Aid. Can't say I'm sold on Reggie Bush, though, and the offensive line is garbage until proven otherwise. Bush might still have it in him but no running back that ever had Dominic Raiola blocking for him has ever succeeded, nor ever will. (However, cutting Stephen Peterman was obvious addition by subtraction.)
And buy the team from the Ford's. We will go out and lure away the best GM with some $$$, hire the best coach and hopefully in a few years we will win the superbowl. As long as the Fords own this team, I'll alway's expect the worse. It will mean another 6-10 season, Schwartz will be shown the door and it will be yet another rebuilding period. The stars we have will want out and most will leave when they become FA again! A repeating cycle of doom!
Bush has been a Lion for some time now...
The Lions are in that vast pool of teams that in any year can go anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6. The way the NFL is now designed you have 3-4 truly pathetic teams and 3-4 truly elite teams and everyone else goes into the "6-10 to 10-6 camp" based on breaks, injuries, and what happens in the last 5 plays of a game. I suppose this is an upgrade from where they were 5 years ago.
Looking at schedule they have the 6 home and homes with division opponents; allowing for the annual traditional loss @ Green Bay, and thinking Minnesota overachieved last year and Chicago loses something with Urlacher retiring, 3-3 seems feasable in the division.
Non division home games: Bengals, Cowboys, Bucs, Ravens, Giants. Bucs are probably only team they are clearly superior to, but since these are home games they should go 3-2 in this group.
Non division road games: Cardinals, Redskins, Browns, Steelers, Eagles. It is a pretty weak schedule actually - the Browns are poor, the Eagles will be in transition with a new coach, the Cardinals are meh. They have not won in RFK since humans came to the New World, and even Charlie Batch could beat them in Pittsburgh so I say 2-3 or 3-2 here.
That puts them at 8-8 or 9-7 on paper. Again perfectly in the 6-10 to 10-6 sphere the NFL wants... just good enough to give people hope, just bad enough to not have a chance to match up with a team like the 49ers when it counts.
The team loses 5 of 9 starters on the lines from last year, including both offensive tackles. While Backus is not viewed as favorably in the town as is here, by game 5-6 I expect "I miss Backus" to be a chant. The interior of the Lion should be better by subtraction as Peterman is gone and he might have been the worst guard in the NFL. The DT's lost some depth with Corey Williams and Sammie Hill, so Suh and Fairley will play more, probably wear down more. I do like the guy they signed from Chicago last week as the DE. Ansah will be fun to watch...hopefully 4-5 sacks this year. Like Peterman, KVB was a total non factor last year (after having a solid year the prior year) so any warm body should be an upgrade. LBers lost a starter from an average group and will be replaced by someone who obviously was not better since he didn't displace Durant last year. Secondary should be better with Glover as one of the safeties if nothing else. Hoping 2nd round pick Slay grabs the starter position at CB and Bentley goes into the nickel. WRs should be ok esp if Broyles is healthy, and RB should be upgraded with Bush as a replacement for Best.
I think the oline will be much better running this year, but may struggle in pass protection. warford was considered by many one of the top guards in the draft and a very solid pick who should lock down the RG spot. reif did well in spot duty last year, even filled in for backus for one game and did okay, i think it will be a drop-off at LT but not to much. Raiola may be small but he knows what hes doing and you dont keep somebody around for that long if they suck as much as people seem to think. sims will be good again at LG. I'm most worried about RT since gos was pretty good but he also seemed to take penalties all the time so if we cut down those false starts/holdings could be about even at that spot. time will tell though but there is potential here
Report on Warford is he will do well at the line but pulling or taking on a LB at the second level is going to be something he struggles at due to size. (lack of mobility) Yes Reiff did ok at run blocking last year but he wasnt taking on premium defensive ends either, we'll see. The fact they wanted a LT tells me they would have preferred him at RT or RG. One hopes the mystery that is Jason Fox also unearths itself - he has been a permanent injury or non factor his career. Raoila supposedly added 20 lbs and is up to 310ish now - funny he decided to do that this year rather than 2 years ago.
Youth is always something we can be hopeful about but youth does not necessarily translate to better. I think the Peterman spot anyone would be better but the tackles as much as they were hated on - well we'll see.
has light feet. Mobility isn't a concern. It's weight and conditioning that is a concern. If he plays at 320-330 range, he's fine. Heavier than that, it's a problem.
I have no idea if the Lions will be a good football team this season, and more importantly, and I can't stress this enough; I don't care.
So glad to have you
Thanks. Lock the thread, folks. Saveferris doesn't care.
I'm not buying. Reggie Bush isn't enough. I don't even think he'll be the full time guy in the last 8 games. I do love how he reps Detroit so much now, though. He was seen in Paris the other week sporting a Tigers hat, which I thought was pretty cool.
The Lions suck. Mayhew refuses to address the tire fire that is the offensive line. The Lions will be lucky to win 5 games. It doesn't matter if you have Megatron, Suh, Fairley, Stafford (overrated), and Reggie Bush (VERY overrated). It starts from the top with the Fords. Until the Fords relinquish ownership I will continue to root against the Lions.
I am not rooting against them, but I will not have hope of any real sustainable success or elevation to true Super Bowl contention status until there is new ownership.
Never change, my delightful Crabby Patty...
Lions...6-10 or 7-9
No offensive line, No secondary, a coach that can't control his players. I will take the under without a doubt.
The OL has questions, no doubt. But the addition of Warford along with a younger OT in Reiff gives me some hope that the OL will be okay. Tye line last year actually did a good job pass blocking.
The seconday has added a good safety in Glover as well as as good young corner in Slay. The three kids they added in the draft last year have potential. Greene in particular showed some ability at nickelback.
How big a difference will Reggie Bush make to the Lions' offensive efficiency? Not much. He wasn't a big gainer in Miami and is more of a slot than an every down back. Dude has been shipped all over because he really isn't better than average.
Will the retooled bigger defensive line with our linebacking corp be the right pieces to make the wide 9 work or will they get gashed? Gashed. Suh is great at one thing. Fairley is great at no things. That draft pick is going to be a tire fire, out of the league in 3 years.
Will they finally be able to field a decent squad of defensive backs? They did pick up a vet, so maybe? I have never seen a great defensive back squad in Detroit so I will assume no until proven wrong (which I hope I am).
Let's set the over/under at 8.5 wins. Under. The NFC North is good to great division. We're fugged.
And finally, will the Detroit Lions make the playoffs in 2013? (cue the Jim Mora clip). Ummm.... no. If we had an open air stadium I would say maybe. Every great franchise in the north has one thing in common and it ain't about the food.
well glad we know that the reasons the lions dont make the playoffs is because they play in a dome, makes total sense to me....
Not everything has to make logical sense. Some things just are.
Look at the fucking seahorse, man. It be, man. It be.
I think 8 wins is the best this team can hope for with 6 wins more likely. Still too many question marks at OL, LB, DB and Special Teams and I'm still not convinced this coaching staff knows what it is doing.
While just missing the playoffs.
6-10, Scwartz is fired (even though he is not the problem) and the cycle continues.
God Bless my tortured Lions soul.
Stafford needs a decent OC and a real QB coach, for a guy who needed 727 passes to get just above the 5000 yard mark. that’s like 7 yards a pass. That is not a good ratio compared to many other qb’s in the league. He was unable to throw over 60% completions despite having Megatron.
Stafford's sidearm throwing is a liability most of the time. His feet are jittery. And yes, he has to improves his decision making and reads.
It’s not just Stafford’s mechanics, he has a lot of work to do with his reading and decision making. He leaves a lot on the table and he misses a lot in terms of things that are easily correctable with the right focus.
The arm mechanics are a non-issue in comparison to those 2 issues. That’s where he needs to improve.
Combine that with a garbage front office, salary cap issues, bad drafting in rounds 2 thru 7, Linehan’s crappy play calling, the non use of a fullback, the use of the pistol all the time basically,garbage defense, the garbage wide 9. and non existant run blocking ( hopefully Raiola does not start at center ), forcing the Lions to throw, throw and throw, like the Packers, just the Packers have better play calling on both sides of the ball, and a better secondary, your gonna have issues.
This is not a playoff team in 2013.
This team with the brutal schedule it has in 2013 will be lucky to win more than 4 games
I am not high on Stafford, I do think Bush can make a difference in this offense provided he stays healthy, but with Linehan calling the plays, it will be all for not..
Plus Linehan all he likes to do is pass, yes the o line can't run block worth crap, but hell, we have no fullback most plays for a running game to even exist.
We pass to set up the pass.
Yes, Gb does that, but they have good coaches, The Lions do not.