The SEC's run has been long, impressive, and very annoying. That said, the SEC's time will pass, and they'll be a bit less annoying when that happens. I feel like if it was ended by Notre Dame, we'd never hear the end of how "Notre Dame saved college football from the SEC" or something like that. I don't hate Notre Dame, but they are insufferable.
OT: Who are wanting to win the NCG?
Exactly. The SEC run has already been so long it's like, what difference is one more year going to make?
Bama winning will almost be anti-climactic because it's just a repetition of the story-line of the past several years' championship games.
One thing the media loves is shiny new stories. If ND wins we will be hearing about it CONSTANTLY, for a very long time.
In conclusion, Roll Tide.
*Roll Damn Tide.
The SEC not winning the NC one year wont change that perception. It will take longer than that, plus other SEC teams losing their bowl games.
I really only know one Notre Dame fan, and he's relatively quiet about it.
My workplace, however, is filled with "SEC fans." The type of fans that end their e-mails with "S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!" to signify the streak (He's a Vanderbilt alum...). Or guys that yell "Roll Tide!" EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY SEE EACH OTHER... I don't know if I can take another year of it. It needs to end.
Anyone rooting for the Domers is crazy.
Yes Bama is annoying.
Yes Saban bends rules.
Yes they've won too much recently.
Yes, most annoying of all, the only thing that comes out of a Bama fan's mouth is "Roll Tide," such that when I was in Dallas for the game it felt like the scene in Being John Malkovich when Malkovich fell into his own wormhole and everyone just said "Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich." I'd walk the concourse and Bama fans would greet each other with "Roll Tide!" as a hello, "Roll Tide" as a hello back. "Roll Tide" on first downs, sometimes adding an extra "Roll Tide Roll" to the end of it, "Rooooooll Tide!" on kick offs, "Roll Tide" to mock Michigan fans, "Roll Tide" to the cameras when the kiss cams would come on them. "Roll Tide" when confused, "Roll TIde" when asking the guy in the next booth for toilet paper, etc. Just bizaare.
At least at UM we mix it up. You'll hear "Go Blue," "Go Michigan!", "Hail!", "Hail to the Victors!," "Let's Go Blue!" Some variety. But Bama? Holy shit with the Roll Tide... Brutal.
Regardless, if Bama wins the NC it is status quo. No new menace to society.
The reasons to despise ND are boundless and listed ad nauseum, but the most pragmatic reason being simply that most of us Michigan fans live in closer proximity to ND fans that Roll Tiders, and thus would suffer the arrogance far worse. Even moreso, simply that we share recruit prospects far more often with ND, and thus any further cache in ND's camp does directly impact us far worse than any harm that would come from Bama notching another NC.
I will shoot myself after typing the following but...
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Maybe we can cheer for that scene from the Dark Knight Rises to happen in real life so that both teams end up losing...
Easily know 100+ people enrolled at ND. Roll Tide.
ROLL DAMN TIDE.
Also, glad to know I'm not alone in this epidemic known as ND football
A freak January hurricane.
Barring that, Alabama. I cannot stand Notre Dame and the story about that girl who claimed she was raped by a football player and killed herself when the investigation was half assed at best should have been a scandal somewhere along the lines of the Dave Bliss thing at Baylor, if not quite a Jerry Sandusky level event.
At least no one dies because Saban's an unethical bastard who has suborned an educational insititution in order to win football games.
to be right, so I don't have to watch either of these two annoying teams win a MNC. I honestly can't decide which team I hate less.
I can deal with a zombie apocalypse, but I can't deal with insufferable ND fans or obnoxious SEC fans winning a NC.
What I'd like to see, roughly:
* Alabama 77, Notre Dame 0
* Rushing yards: Alabama 200+, Notre Dame -30
* Turnovers: Alabama 0, Notre Dame 5+
I don't like the ESS EEE SEE any more than the rest of you, but one more crystal football to that conference won't change the big picture very much. Notre Dame winning? DISASTER on multiple levels. Please remember that we frequently compete with them for players.
This one is actually tough for me. I don't really know any crazy Notre Dame fans. The only two friends I have that are fans of ND are actually sane guys. I really dislike Kelly though and two guys I know that played for him at CMU have confirmed what we already know that he is in fact a grade A doucher. I also hate Saban and team SEC though. Manti Teo seems nice. I guess I'll just watch and get drunk.
I know someone who played for him at GVSU, was a captain the year he was promoted and was one of the captains who voted against his promotion. As i hear it, we see Kelly's very best side on TV. He's actually a bigger douche than any of us on the outside know.
This scenario should be submitted to the makers of Zobmondo, "the would-you-rather game".
I wish for an Asteroid or Meteor right? You say that's not expected to happen
Well okay then, Roll Tide, fuck ND for many of the reasons stated above. that is all
I would like to see ND lose to Bama by about the same score we lost to Bama and it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
Like the others have said, winning the NC isn't too special. You get about 15 minutes of fame, and then next season starts. It's only because the SEC has won them since 2006 that we only hear about them. But if ND wins? Dear god we will NEVER hear the end of that; they're already talking about this season like it's a Catholic Miracle, do we really want them to hoist the crystal trophy at the end?
Plus while Saban may be a dick, at least he hasn't gone purple to his players or killed 2 students
I will cheer for both to lose, but particularly louder for ND to lose and lose badly.
Because, even if they lose, they will claim the 2012 NC.
Seriously though, last week I was thinking ND, but I just cannot bring myself to pull for them. Their fans are the worst.
I want Notre Dame to feel pain.
If only so the small contingent of ND fans in my office would stop talking about their now essentially assured NC appearance outside my office (always, it seems, outside my office), I would prefer Alabama to win (despite desperately hating the SEC for its systematic disregard for rules and student-athletes in general) if it is not possible for both to lose or if, by chance, the meteor misses its mark.
I prefer for Alabama to win. And I prefer for them to win very, very big.
As others have noted, both outcomes would suck, but it's a matter of degrees.
Put it this way: If Notre Dame wins, I'll hear about it from their fans for the rest of my life. Think deeply about that. :)
It will also validate their independence, puff up one of our enemy conferences (ACC), etc., etc. I probably don't need to continue with the list.
Nice play sir.
I hope they all lose.
...what happened in last night's B1G game would be perfect. The Domers getting blown out in the NC game and then us beating them soundly next fall would be a sweet combination.
ROLL DAMN TIDE!!!!
I've never had the horrible ND experience that some here have. My wife was once burned by a drink ND girl's cigarette, but that was 12+ years ago and no permanent damage occurred.
But Alabama represents all that is wrong in college football, as it is a school with a history of skirting the rules winning because it simply plays by a different set of rules than the rest, and the weak NCAA has done nothing to curtail it. I can't complain about them paying high salaries for coaches and having top-notch facilities; that's a school decision. But the recruiting issues, the St. Saban Hospital wing, the oversigning, and the faint whsipers of player payments and other violations drive me crazy. Really, the whole SEC drives me crazy. They make fun of the other conferences for being so weak, but conferences like the B1G have codified rules that curtail the abuses you see in the SEC. Other people, if they were willing to kick 18-year-olds off of teams because they have someone better and they over-recruiting this year, could pull in similar hauls as most SEC teams, and if they were willing to play fast and loose with injuries and "payments" could field monster squads as well. There are some geopgrahic elements helping the SEC, but for the most part there is a cultural difference that drives their success. And as a fan of college football, while I know it exists other places, I don't need to rubbed in my face every 12 months without repercussions. ND are not saints by any means, but they are closer to the ideal than Roll F'ing Tide. Go Domers.
I agree. Plus if Bama wins we get to hear how Saban will be the best college football coach ever. Think about that. The only reason he is successful at Bama is because he gets away with cheating , screwing over players etc. I think it's obvious because its the only place where he's been at the top. MSU-nothing. NFL -nothing. SEC, where you can get away with anything- 4 NCs.
Alabama silently endorsing unethical behavior in recruiting and treatment of players is infuriating, but Bama for the most part doesn't really pretend to be something they're not. They're a football factory and are proud of that fact.
The insufferable fact about the Irish is that they pretend that they're above all the sleeziness that make us as college football fans uncomfortable, but in reality they are just as mired in it as the next program. Watching Brian Kelly hoist the crystal football while Notre Dame nation praises itself for "winning with integrity" will be more than I can stand.
If I have to choose between the honest scumbags and the entitlled hypocrites, I'll side with the scumbags.
I disagree with that assessment, for this reason:
Having said that, trying to decide here is like choosing between having your eyes removed with a spoon or having your nuts crushed in a vice, so I'm not choosing.
I think Nick Satan is going to get another NC, though.
Quoting Gregg Easterbrook on college football is generally a big fail.
You know if ND wins we'll never hear the end of it
I will be rooting for both head coaches to go so insane on the sidelines in a rant that all potential UM recruits watching feel like they would rather beat that team than play for that coach.
Based on UM's play against both teams, Alabama seemed so physically superior. ND was beatable, and in fact UM outplayed them, but turnovers and execution lost that game. Alabama, as I watched, was an unwinnable game for UM this year.
So I suppose I would feel better if Bama won.
Hate Saban too much.
Also, Te'o (however you spell his name) is a guy you can root for.
And, sick of Alabama winning every damn year. Last year, they
got two chances to beat LSU and did it once. Does that make them
Kelly doesn't play the greyshirt recruiting machine game, and I am back to being annoyed that so many SEC teams automatically outrank other school with similar records. Even if ND loses, we really can't make the returning to glory joke anymore, so fuck it, go Irish.
I want Notre Dame to lose so badly that that any individual that thinks that they had a chance dies inside. Not a quick death either, the kind of death where the agony causes them to claw their own eyes out to stop the excessive tears from falling. Their spirit will cry for death and it will not come, causing them to have to live with it for the rest of their lives. And I will stand there nodding my head in delight feasting on there their delicious tears.
So, in a nutshell I'm rooting for Bama haha
Go giant meteor with godzilla riding on top.
I guess I am used to the idea of Bama winning. If both teams can't be destroyed, I'd prefer ND to lose so i can keep making "return to glory" jokes.
Imagine the amount of bandwagon fans that ND will have if they win, as if they don't have enough already... Roll tide
To hell with Notre Dame!
I really don't even know how this is a discussion. I hate ND way more then I hate the SEC. I live in Indiana so there is no way I want ND winning. All the ND fans here are so annoying.
The degree to which I care which team wins that game can be measured in degrees Kelvin, and it ain't a big number.
This is such an awful choice. I hate both schools and if either was playing against virtually any other team in the country I'd root against them hard.
To me it's like trying to decide who to root for in WWII when the Germans and Russians went at it.
One of my life's goals is the die while Michigan is still the leader in all time wins. That alone makes me want Bama to win.
The ideal ending would be if ND is up by two with 1 second to go. Bama sets up for the championship winning field goal. Just before the ball is snapped Brian Kelly calls time out. The kick is made and misses.
The do it over again and the Bama field goal is good and Kelly's face explodes. Suck it ND.
and they're going down hard in the NCG.
Cannot, and will not, ever root for ND. Ever. They're almost as loathsome as OSU. Almost.
My other half grew up loving ND like I love Michigan. My 9 year old now defies me to say "go Irish." I have told her since she cold speak that she came out of me, and that is NOT allowed...yet, she roots for them (equally so for Michigan). So, I do love my kids more than Michigan, so i dont get as vocal with my feelings towards ND. but, I will say here, and nowhere else...
Looks to me that the Mayans are going to win as their calendar correctly predicted the end of the world in 2012 before any championship football game could be played!
By the way, if you are going to phrase this "Who are wanting to win ncg?", guess you must favor Alabama, since this is how about 99% of their fans would say it.......
The Pope just published a book saying that Jesus was born between 7 and 2 BCE; therefore, it is not 2012 by our Christian-centric calendar. So we don't need to worry about the Mayans.
I hope the game lasts 0-0 until next season.
I'll get to watch college football all offseason, no one will win, and I'm sure they'll be exhausted going into 2013.
I loathe everything ESSSS EEEE CEEEE but I hate ND just a little bit more.
(Brian Kelly has a total meltdown in 2nd quarter)
ROLL DAMN TIDE!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go take a scalding hot shower to feel clean again.
Alabama 100%. Just the effect on recruiting alone in the Midwest is a good enough reason. The insufferable nd fans only sweeten the deal.
Roll Tide y'all!
Yes the media is up the SEC's ass, but it's only been really for the last 7 to 8 years. They have been up Notre Dame's ass since the 1920s. I just don't want more coal added to that fire. How many national championships throughout history were they given by the AP just because they were Notre Dame...
Roll Tide. I don't know when Brian Kelly is more unlikeable: when he's filled with purple-faced rage, or when he's calm and controlled (with the purple rage just bubbling under the surface).
Roll Tide. ND will run out of magic. Frosh QB is going to get killed by BAMA D. Irish D will play decent but their offense is not good.
Living in the heart of Tide country, I consider them the second most insufferable fan base in the country to the team they are playing. I had friends say last night that Gary Danielson is biased against Bama. (He is so far up Saban's ass he can see the bottom of Paul Finebaum's shoes.) However, my daughter went there and I hate Notre Dame. Roll Tide. That hurts.
Alabama. I'm used to the SEC's (admittedly deserved) superiority complex. Given that my proximity to SEC fans is significantly lower than the myriad of Notre Dame fans (which include most of my family), I have to pull for Alabama in this one.
Notre Dame winning would be insuffrable for me, while the SEC winning would be a huge "meh".
The only upside I see to Notre Dame winning is that they will be highly ranked when they come to Ann Arbor in week 2, and it'd make it all the sweeter when we knock them off.
I don't like Bama, but I hate Notre Dame. They coulda won 9 games and the media would still worship them.
I don't like Alabama. I don't like anything south of Toledo. I don't like Nick Saban. I don't like greyshirting and oversigning. I don't like ESPN. I don't like SEC propaganda.
But i like Brian Kelly and Notre Dame a helluva lot less than any of those things. To Hell with Notre Dame.
Roll Damn Meteor.
Like a champion, even.
If ND wins, they will be all "when was your last NC?" and I will then punch whoever in the dong.
I'll take ND because they don't cheat, while Bama is one of the four most prolific cheaters in college football. ND has their flaws, and are our rival, but Bama just buys players and dares the NCAA to do anything about it.
Besides, an arrogant, entitled, defending National Champion ND strutting into the Big House next September, only to lose another game to Michigan in the closing minutes, would be a lot of fun to watch. It would also help Michigan in the rankings.
Like pretty much everyone here, despite my hate of Saban and the SEC, I'll be damned if the domers and their uninformed, obnoxious fanbase get a national championship to live off of for the next 20 years.
I want Alabama to win. I don't like Alabama, but I hate Notre Dame.
Row damn tahd.
I'm so freaking sick of the SEC and Bama in particular that, with a very, very small list of exceptions, I would be cheering for whoever was playing them in the championship game. So, sad to say, go Irish.
I'm cheering for Alabama. No question in my mind. Not that any of you give a shit about my reasons but here they are:
1. Recruiting. A National Champion ND does nothing but hurt us in recruiting. A Bama win doesn't affect us as much.
2. ND fans are getting way too cocky and Lou Holtz is tempting me to break my TV everytime I see him on ESPN. This will be their reality check.
3. Even though ND is deserving of a chance to win the championship...I don't think they are a national championship team in any way. They may be the luckiest or most fortunate team in the country over the past decade. This sounds like sour grapes, but they could be 8-4 right now with not too much trouble.
I have no idea how this game will go, but I'm willing to bet that Bama wins by 14 points minimum. Something like 28-10 final.
Have to root for Bama, last thing local recruits need to hear about is ND winning a national championship recently.
I hate the SEC's pay for players, oversigning and overall dirty programs, in particular Nick Saban who is the ring leader and who publicly complains about SEC schools not being given a chance to play in the national title game even when they already have one locked in.
That's why it pains me to be rooting for them in the title game. It's going to suck but it will be for the greater good. An SEC team's hype won't get the hype of a Notre Dame team. You can beat 3 cupcakes in a row and the media won't bat an eye. But if you're Notre Dame and you beat 3 cupcakes in a row, you've done something incredibly special. And if you go into triple overtime against a shitty Pitt team and you get 3 bogus calls in your favor (and the ref misses a ND player punching a Pitt player) then you're referred to as a team of destiny.
Fuck Notre Dame. Fuck their fans. Fuck Brian Kelly and fuck the media for drooling over anything they do.
I am rooting for "Bye" in the NCG.
Going for bama to crush Notre dame which will happen.
But ND had the same season we did except we didn't luck out against MSU or Iowa like they did this year. It's crazy because we can have stumbled into the MNC last year like they did this year. I hate BAMA and the SEC chants, it feels dirty but Go Irish
Notre Dame ranks second on my list of most hated schools (behind Ohio but slightly ahead of MSU). Besides, Alabama winning makes me feel a little better about getting trounced by them in Dallas. If Notre Dame wins then it just reminds me that we could have beat them if we had just taken care of the football.
I hate Notre Dame more than I hare Alabama.
Alabama soundly pounding ND into submission. This wills shut up the golden doomers and all there return to glory hoopla. Then sit back and watch as Bama gets NCAA'd for multiple infraction and have to vacate multiple championships leaving 2012 with no champion. Then Michigan rides into 2013 on the shoulders of a 5* QB and a suffocating Mattison D to dismantle all comers in route to a BCS c Championship. Then all will be right.
I'm waiting until after all the rest of the bowls are done. If by some miracle the majority of the sec teams lose, I will root for Notre Dame. If they win it may shut the sec crap up for good.
Except it wouldn't shut that sec crap up even temporarily, let alone for good.
I don't particularly care who wins the game, but I do think an Alabama win is better for Michigan overall (for the reasons other posters have already stated).
You must always root against ND, no matter the circumstance.
We get a lot of mileage out of the "Winningest Program of all Time" theme. It's even painted on our Football equipment truck. We can declare it unambiguously in terms of both wins and winning percentage.
Notre Dame is catching back up to us on winning percentage. They could go undefeated and we could have 5 losses. With their future ACC-lite schedule, they could catch up to us soon.
It makes the B1G championship game look close.
I am sick of the SEC and being in Dallas for the game I've learned to hate "Roll Tide" quickly but this is a no-brainer.
Alabama in a blowout
So fellas. If by some minor miracle ND pulls it out. What will be the excuse then?
I just don't get the over rated deal. ND has had 10 touchdowns scored against them all year. That is hard to do no matter who you are. I'll give you that the offense is a little lack luster, but Kelly has a run a game plan in every game to run the ball and control the clock.
ND Offense: 202 ypg rushing. 220 ypg passing.
ND Defense: 92 ypg rushing. 194 ypg passing.
#1 in scoring defense. 2 Rushing TDs all year, 10 total TDs.
Take ND, the -9 and the under. And get rich.