OT: Which 2 Teams Should B12 Add to Become Eligible for CCG

Submitted by Victor Valiant on

In light of Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowslby essentially saying today that the conference needs to look at adding teams to become eligible to have a conference championship game, it seems relevant to discuss likely candidates. It's fairly obvious their lack of championship game cost them a spot in the playoff. I don't see many strong choices out there unless they manage to pull a team or 2 from a Power 5 conference, which seems unlikely.

Likely Candidates:

BYU (Independent)

Boise State (Mountain West)

Colorado State (Mountain West)

Cincinnati (American)

Memphis (American)

Less Likely:

Houston (American)

Southern Miss (Conf USA) 

SMU (American) 

 

EDIT: Added Cincy and Memphis to likely candidates.

 

 

Moonlight Graham

December 7th, 2014 at 2:33 PM ^

I'd like to see them get the SWC (mostly) back together by welcoming back Rice, Houston and SMU, although Rice and Houston being in the same TV market makes that problematic. I've also heard UT doesn't want any more Texas teams added to dilute their P5 market and recruiting.

If I was the B12 commish I'd go with

1. Try to get Nebraska back
2. Cincinnati no-brainer for both parties, get into Ohio market and recruiting
3. Take a flyer at Miami (YTM) to get into Florida market and recruiting, otherwise go with UCF.



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Mr. Yost

December 7th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

Both have reconnected with the Big XII expressing interest.

I'm sure UCF and USF will get together and try to present themselves as some kind of Florida packaged deal.

Brodie

December 7th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^

I have a feeling they'd take all 4. All have similar profiles... big city public schools in recruiting hot beds. Cincinnati and UCF can claim to have had legitimate success at the BCS level while USF showed some life and Memphis would be an obvious candidate to do the same.

I think the four of them should band together, get WVU in on it with them and present a pitch focusing on the amount of increased exposure they'd give the conference in the East (helping with some of the bias issues Art Briles was raging about today). Add in Iowa State and one of the Kansas schools in an Indiana/Purdue arrangement and this makes the most sense by a mile.

Well...Well...Well

December 7th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

Wasn't Boise St set to move to the Big East until everything else happened with reallignment? Seems like they would still have interest in a move, and it would make more sense geographically.

 

As far as team 2...perhaps a Conference USA team looking to jump ship now that their conference has been impacted by UAB's departure.

Cold War

December 7th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

Boise would be a huge mistake. A tiny school with dreadful academics. They're one football slide from being the worst school in any P5 conference.

MH20

December 7th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

Say what you want about Boise's academics (I don't actually know how good or poor they are) but you are simply incorrect regarding their football program.

Indiana, Purdue, Kansas, Iowa State, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Washington State, and Colorado would like a word with you regarding the worst programs in the P5 conferences.

buddha

December 7th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

Honestly, Nebraska, Colorado, or Mizzou...but, since that is unlikely to happen, the pickings are pretty slim. It may be just as likely the conference further implodes than the conference adds more teams.


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MI Expat NY

December 7th, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^

Don't do anything.  Watering down the conference to get a championship game won't help.  They already play 9 conference games (the same number as a Big Ten champion).  Get their conference members to play better competiition in the non-conference and have their conference declare a "true" champion for playoff consideration purposes.  If Baylor beats a Nebraska this year, which they would have, they're in.  If the Big 12 declared Baylor the champion this year, which they were, they're in.  It's stupid to make the conference weaker, make conference mates less money, just to solve a one-year problem that they could address through other means.

Profwoot

December 7th, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^

BYU and BSU are the obvious choices if athletic quality is what they're after, but it seems they're more likely to follow the B10 in going for geography/tv markets instead.

BYU has a much larger fan base than many other P5 conference members, but the religious stuff might prevent an invite, and it would definitely prevent BYU from accepting one if the B12 didn't contract to avoid Sunday play.

oakapple

December 7th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^

The one invariable rule of conference expansion, is that no one expands to lose money. The available options for the Big XII are pedestrian, small-market teams that don't bring in much new money, but would give the league two more mouths to feed. The best candidate is BYU, but the Cougars have declined the Big XII's overtures in the past.

There's another big problem. The Texas schools want to play each other every year, and the remaining teams want two road games in Texas every year. If they expand, then some teams will have to accept a considerably worse schedule than they have now.

Coming up with balanced divisions is a problem for the Big XII. Oklahoma and Texas do not want to give up their annual game (the Red River Rivalry), but the league is horribly unbalanced if Oklahoma and Texas are in the same division, assuming the Longhorns return to respectability (which, with their resources, they are exceedingly likely to do). The old Big XII was at least able to balance it somewhat, by having Nebraska in the opposite division to Oklahoma and Texas, but Nebraska is gone.

So, to make a long story short, I think the Big XII is highly unlikely to expand based on getting screwed once in the CFB playoff. A four-team playoff with five power conferences is always going to screw somebody. There's no evidence yet that it'll always be the Big XII.

Brodie

December 7th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^

I think you're actually wrong on this... I think all it took was one year where the Big 12 team was screwed explicitly because they lacked the CCG for them to move on expansion. They have attempted to get the waiver before, and when it didn't happen they stood pat for the reasons you mention and hoped it wouldn't matter.

There is no way Texas or Oklahoma will want to risk their potential to get playoff revenues by continuing as a 10 team league. They will add two teams, it's just a matter of how they want this to go down. Cincinnati, fwiw, has been working this for about 4 years now... their president recently toured each Big 12 campus for no explicit reason.

goblue81

December 7th, 2014 at 4:11 PM ^

From a natural rivalry standpoint, I think adding SMU and Houston would be interesting.  SMU will likely never ever happen because well you know that history in the 80s.

From a strategic standpoint, I would try to add Cincinnati to open up Ohio recruiting grounds and increase east of the Mississippi exposure.  They also improve hoops presence.  Then I would say its either Boise/Colorado St both being equal in what they bring recruiting/exposure wise.  Boise probably being the more attractive of the two.  

BYU would be an outlier.  I'm just not sure how Morman religion would align with relatively conservative midwestern values - also not sure how the Morman sabatical (I know that's not what its called would fit in).  They just seem like a oval peg for a round hole.

chrisp981

December 7th, 2014 at 5:23 PM ^

What history would that be?(/s)  Would the Chad Morris hire and the possibility of them becoming a consistent bowl team make them more attractive?  Plus do we need to look at other teams that have other sports teams that are worthy of being in the BIGXII?

#cjak5h

Finance-PhD

December 7th, 2014 at 4:57 PM ^

They should send four teams to the PAC 12 and the rest combine with the SEC and ACC to make two conferences of 16 each. 64 teams in four power conferences.

wbpbrian

December 7th, 2014 at 5:51 PM ^

I think Boise State and Colorado State would be the most likely teams. And I think they should also ass North Dakota State anf Memphis. I feel NDS is ready for the big time sports and it would be good for a rural area have a major sport team.

smwilliams

December 7th, 2014 at 6:50 PM ^

Didn't anybody learn anything from the recent conference expansion. BYU and Boise State have the best football programs, but I guarantee you the other schools and the higher-ups in the conference don't give a crap about who's won 10 games every once in a while over the past couple of years.

The only thing that matters is "brand visibility", "television market share", and "program resources". The Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland to get the BTN into New York and DC. That's it.

If you're looking for programs in major to decent television markets, plentiful resources, and some success in either basketball/football, then the two obvious choices are Cincinnati and Memphis. The geographic proximity to WVU is a bonus so the Big XII can say they're the conference of Texas, the Plains, and the Ohio Valley. Ohio and Tennessee are fertile recruiting grounds.

Not one of those schools will want to make the trip to Boise, ID once every couple of years.

TheHoke.TheHok…

December 7th, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^

BYU is a school with enough national cache that they have their own television channel and deal with ESPN. BYU is a school which has a huge fan base, whether they're good or not. TV market share is not just for local markets, or else Nebraska wouldn't have been added.

cajunhawk

December 7th, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^

Big 12 could get into a hotbed of recruiting by taking an up and coming athletic program in Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns.  Sure they are small time...low budget (which would triple with Big 12 TV revenues)...and low perception.  But they are a complete program.  You Michigan fans know how good we are in Softball.  We are just as good in Baseball, have a great tradition in basketball, and one of only 6 teams in the past 3 years to win a bowl game each year...going for 4 this year.  Big 12 has no good candidates...might as well take a flyer on a program that could become dangerous with the right resources.