A Jets' fan, I take it?
OT: What's your thoughts on your NFL team's draft?
My team is whoever has the most Michigan guys on it. So the Stillers with Foote, Woodley & Mundy. For now. If NE drafts Denard, Patriots will have 3 plus 1/4 of a wolverine with Mallett.
Just keeping an eye out for dilithium. I will stay cautiously optimistic about the Lions.
Not sure what your definition of serviceable is, but that's a little harsh on Ansah. I think he has enough tools to start as a rookie and could be elite in three years. There weren't very many great options in this draft.
What the hell is your problem? I hate the Lions, but still recognize they did quite well in this draft.
this draft will allow the Lions to continue their previous level of success in the NFL!
Bill Polian is one of the greatest to ever do it, if he believes in Ziggy you should too
"who knows if he'll ever reach those heights..."
Ansah had very limited experience playing in a second-tier conference, and picking a guy like that at #5 is the classic Boom or Bust selection. To assert that it's not a huge gamble is silly.
As for Warford, he sounds like a decent prospect, but it'll be interesting to see how he turns out in comparison to DJ Fluker, who the Lions could have taken instead of Ansah. I know that Warford's a guard and Fluker's a tackle, but it's not like Gosder Cherlius has been a perennial All-Pro.
And I don't know why anybody who's followed the Lions wouldn't be skeptical of anything that front office does until it's proven capable of putting together a truly competitive team.
Idk byu is in a conference thanks
I also didn't know Gosder played for the lions
Cherlius signed with the Colts in March, which means taking Fluker would have been a strong move.
As for BYU, their independent schedule is a mix of teams like lesser programs like Weber St., Idaho, San Jose St., New Mexico St., Hawaii, and Utah St. mixed in with a handful of quality teams like ND, Oregon St, and Boise. It's hardly the kind of opposition that a program in the PAC 12 or the SEC faces.
Ansah has elite talent. Yes, he is a boom or bust pick. But guess what, if he busts Schwartz and Mayhew are gone. I will admit that I preferred Cooper or Womack, but since they got Warford it makes the Ansah pick look a hell of a lot better.
From reading snippets from the first day with Mayhew and Schwartz, it seems like they were set to take one of three OT's if they were available. The Lions went with the BPA. They are sticking with their philosophy even in a time of desperation for the Coach and GM.
just need to get some good players, then the lions will be good. no systemic problems, just a rough 40 or 50 seasons
I like your diagnosis, I hate all these cooler talk gms that bash the lions even though they have no clue
So, you like the cooler talk GM that likes the Lions draft but not the cooler talk GM's that don't?
No, its one thing if you voice your opinion, it is another to bash players and people you don't know, it is also another thing to actually believe you could draft better.
Please correct your title.
What's your problems with it?
1. Barkavious Mingo - fast twitch, a bit undersized, huge upside because he didn't start playing football until his junior year of high school.
3. Leon McFadden - great man to man cover cb but a little undersized and needs work with his press and bump and run. 4 year starter and conference POY on defense (SWC).
I wish we had traded down, to acquire more picks but I'm OK with the two we got. Mingo will be a dog pound favorite!
Ah, Leon McFadden. He went to SD State so I'm gonna go ahead and credit all of his success to the mighty Brady Hoke. Him and Gavin Escobar are both former two-star recuits that were drafted in rounds 2-3. I'm not sure if Hoke offered them, but they both committed there after Hoke became the coach.
What is fast twitch?
of Black athletes in the NFL, NBA, etc. We tend to have more quick twitch muscle fibers that are responsible for agility, speed. Specifically West African descended people tend to excel at short burst speed. Europeans tend to have more slow-twitch fibers that lend themselves nicely to brute strength building. Link
I like the Bess move, mainly because he was the type of WR we were missing (and he is proven). I think the staff really wanted Mingo, so they got their guy and trading down didn't help us with the Julio Jones trade, so there is that.
Jonathan Banks was who I thought we'd end up with come second round. Wish he had a little more speed, as it'd be tough for him to keep pace with someone like Steve Smith or Julio Jones, but that's why we went out and got Revis. Still, Banks has got great length, height, great hands, and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Could become a solid #2 guy, and with any luck, he'll run that bum Eric Wright out of a job.
Mike Glennon is a nice insurance policy, and officially puts Freeman on notice. Or maybe it's that he's entering the final year of his contract. Well, in the event that Freeman has another Jekyll and Hyde type season, I think this was an overall good pick. He's got the arm, but some accuracy issues. I also wish we could have grabbed someone that has some mobility. Freeman at least has the ability to move around and extend some plays. But with this year's extremely weak QB class, I suppose you have to take what you can get.
Hoping next we go after a tight end, some D-Line depth, and maybe a slot receiver, cough Denard cough cough.
Just wish we could've picked one of the TE that have already been taken. I think Banks isn't as slow as his combine time. Probably had an off day. Didn't he win the Thorpe trphy? Hard to do that while playing in the SEC with no speed. As much as I love me some Denard, I'd rather have Ace Sanders or Ryan Swope. I'm thinking as a Buc fan here not a U-M fan. But I agree with TE and DT next for sure.
Two of my close friends are bucs fans, they believe you are division contenders now
still out there... Any takers?
Lions seem to be doing good in the draft.
1.) Ziggy will be a top DE in about 3 years. I think he may help out a bit this season just due to the talent we have at DT.
2.) I was surprised Slay dropped this far in the Draft. He should be a good CB for years to come.
3.) Warford looks to be a 3rd/4th round pick. I like his size and strength but he probably does not have the quickness to become an elite guard. Though, I think he will be very serviceable and should be a starter for years.
I'm not sure if there are any immediate OT starters left in this draft. May be pick up a project guy who could add depth and in a few years be in the position for a possible starting role.
The lions better trade or get a FA OT or else Stafford could have a long year on his back...though if the running game can develop, this may help.
So far I would give the Lions a grade of B in this draft. I hope they finish the late rounds well.
He had a second round grade on him. As for the tackles. I assume that Reiff will protect Stafford's blindside and that Fox will handle the other spot. I think we will see a lot of tight end help on Fox's side.
I was ecstatic when GM Thompson was able to get Lacy with the 61st(!) pick. With Rodgers running the offense, we don't need to ask our RB to win games for us, but having a threat like Lacy will prevent teams from dropping 7 into coverage every play. Throw in extending Rodger's contract yesterday and life is good in green and gold nation.
I know the Lions had a tough spot having the number 5 pick but 2 things the Lions should avoid drafting, players that need to be developed and players with an injury history. They need to draft a proven coach which will never happen so their number 5 draft choice was not good.
He has turned out fine. If we applied your logic the Lions could not draft 80% of the guys who are available as pretty much college player needs development and many have injury problems.
As for proven coach. They have had proven coaches. Bobby Ross and Steve Mariucci come to mind. How did they turn out?
My hope was that the Lions, at least in the beginning, would go with straight needs-based picks and do so in a logical order. It seems that they have done just that, and that at least is nice to see as a Lions fan, I think.
Overall, I think the upside for Ansah is potentially huge - they'll have to really work with him if they want him to be an immediate impact player, I believe, because of the experience deficit. Still, for a team that needed an effective pass rush, someone of Ansah's stature and athleticism at DE is an upgrade. I liked the Darius Slay pick - a good, fast and physical CB is something that Detroit needs desperately. Larry Warford looks like someone who will fit well in the OL here in Detroit.
I think the Lions did a decent job in the draft. But to say they have 4 legit starting corners is not true. They have 1 legit proven corner with 3 prospects who we hope can become starters.
(Cardinals) I saw an interview with him last night. OMG.
Can't believe my Giants pick that suckeye in the 2nd rd
haha i dont have issue with the pick but we needed a corner/saftey and couldve gotten the DT in the 3rd round
The Steelers and Ravens have nailed their draft again. They just have great people in charge, and it shows year in and year out.
STeelers: 1rst: Jones, 2nd: Brown, 3rd: Wheaton
Ravens: 1rst: Elam, 2nd: Brown, 3rd: B. Williams
All I can say is fuck peeburgh and the baltimorons but I agree, they always draft well.
well the entire Rutgers secondary is now on the Pats, take that how you will
I turned the draft off when they traded up to draft Te'o. People were saying he might be the next Seau. I almost threw up.
I like the Chargers' draft. They've gotten 3 first-round type talents without having to trade up for them. Say what you will about Te'o, to get him there in the second was a no-brainer.
If there was ever proof that college kids shouldn't listen to scummy coaches with only their own necks on the line, look at Matt Barkley. Kid was a top-10 selection last year, came back to chase a pipedream of a championship by Lane Kiffin, and now won't even be drafted until the 4th round at best. Some of that has to do with injuries and the like, but hopefully kids realize that listening to crappy head coaches is a bad idea.
I wonder if Montee Ball is regretting his decision to stay, although I don't know how Bielema affected that decision.
I always thought his stock was 2nd/3rd rounder anyway, so I'm not sure how much it changed his stock. Maybe he would have gone a bit higher, but in most mock drafts last year I don't remember him being that highly regarded. I think people saw a system back in Ball; Denver may actually be a good spot for him because they seem to have a plan with RBs and, with Manning, they'll definitely want to establish some running game.
Barkley wanted to come back to enjoy college for another year. Also, he just isnt that good thats the biggest thing affecting him right now, not the injury.
Last years draft was stacked with great QBs, this years draft may be one of the worst ever. If he would have gone through the draft process last year his game would have been ripped apart just the same and he would have fallen just like he has this year. Maybe even further because of the QB talent in last years draft. It was actually a good decision for him to miss that draft if his goal was to be the top QB taken.
I forgot to mention that I also hate lane kiffin and anything you can say that makes him look like a douche is okay in my book.
He came back because of this:
If he [Barkley] would have gone through the draft process last year his game would have been ripped apart just the same and he would have fallen just like he has this year.
Possibly ... but part of me wonders if he would have been able to "ride the wave" of enthusiasm for QBs last year. He's nowhere near as good as RGIII or Luck, but last year was all about the QB and he might have enjoyed success by association.
This year? QB = meh. Barkley QB = double meh.
I almost feel sorry for the kid. Almost.
I kinda feel like michigan hurt Denard for the draft. They should at least played him at WR at some point. Nobody knows if he can catch the ball in traffic or anything. He is a great athlete and a hard work. I will be disappointed if he doesnt get picked in the 4th round.
It takes two hands (typically) to catch a football. He didn't have feeling in one of them.
Denard came to college to be a quarterback. He said up until the beginning of his senior year that he didn't want to play any other position in the NFL; he was intent on being a quarterback.
But it's Michigan's fault that they didn't play him at another position?
Personally, I think Denard needed to be a little less stubborn and have a little more self-awareness. As a 5'11", 195-pounder with inaccuracy and decision making issues, he should have realized WAY sooner that he would never be an NFL quarterback.
that he would be an NFL quarterback. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not going to take a ton of time to sift through a Google search, but here's an article from May 2012 about it:
"Robinson, who has said in the past that he has a desire to play quarterback at the next level, can't control his height"
I think it's understandable that a dream like playing QB is very hard to give up. Eric Crouch comes to mind. I doubt Denard will be picked until late in the draft, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him go undrafted.
They [Michigan] should at least played him at WR at some point.
And maybe kickoff and punt returner. Those are the most obvious NFL roles for him. Then some kind of WR.
But there's the issue of injury. And until it looked like the injury gods forced the decision to make Gardner #1, I doubt the coaches were going to risk Robinson in any of those roles.
That "frail" teammate won the Jim Thorpe Award as that nation's best DB for the 2012 season.
Where are the EXPERTS picking Denard to go?
I imagine he'll be taken in the next two rounds.
The actual experts aren't talking because they are working, but the draft-guru charlatans are saying round 6.
As a Patriots fan, I don't see much chance of them picking Denard since they have only the 5th pick in the 4th round (too early) and then none until three picks in the 7th (too late).
Typical draft for New England. Took the guy who broke the record for broad jump at the NFL combine by a significant margin. Got an interesting WR and a prototypical Belichick cornerback. Not sure about the other Rutgers guy -- kind of a sleeper.
As kind of a Lions fan (I was never a big NFL guy) I was slightly disappointed in their draft so far, but it was alright. Ansah was the ONE player that I didn't want them to take. I don't care how good he may have looked at the senior bowl, I'm not comfortable with a 4-12 team taking a project that high. I guess he could turn out great and prove me wrong though. Slay was interesting. He seems like a pretty good corner, but I would've rather had Banks. Still, I was glad they finally took a corner early enough that there were still good ones left. Warford seems slow. That was my first impression, but he seems to have good technique and really did well in the SEC, so it's a good third round pickup. Overall, they picked okay, but there were just other players I would've rather seen, and the Ansah pick still gets me.
The draft overall was good. I don't get why KC took Fisher #1. Same as Ansah, don't take a guy because of the senior bowl. With the #1 pick, stay safe with best lineman award winner in Joeckel. Just my thought on that one. Also, how cool Arizona gets Peterson and the honey badger and for St Louis to get both Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey.
I was so-so on the Lions draft until they got Larry in the third. He's a very earlier second round talent, and will be a starter from day one in my opinion. Great way to get some value in the third.
What I would love to see the Lions do is trade their second round pick in 2014 for Albert from the Chiefs. Then they've got Larry, Riley, Albert, and they could still pick-up a guy like Barret Jones. Does anyone know if the Lions would have the cap space to get Albert from the Chiefs? He's worth a 2nd round pick in 2014, which is what they Chiefs want, to protect Stafford's blind side.
What would they pay Albert with? Gum?
Obviously not. I was following the Lions free agency and cap space for a while, but I now have no clue what it looks like or what it would look like next year when they need to re-sign him. If Stafford really wants to win though, he'd take a cut like Brady and still get paid well, yet leave some room to get a guy like Albert.
Edit: According to NFL.com, the Lions have $7 million in cap space. Jahvid Best is still taking up $2 million in space. Stafford is a $20 million cap hit this year. You cut Best, talk Stafford into fixing his deal and then you've got enough space for the rookies and Albert's $9 million hit. Even better, you could re-negotiate with Albert to where he would not cost you $9 million this year and give him a better deal. If Stafford would just adjust some, Albert could easily be a Detroit Lion.
steelers fan...... le'veon bell.... what do i do??
Root for Jonathan Dwyer and Baron Batch.
Traded up to get Tavon Austin then took his partner in crime, Bailey Stedman. Can you say chemistry? I'm having visions of Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. Can St. Louis recreate the Greatest Show on Turf? I think so.
Even better, we grabbed Alec Ogletree to help contain Kaepernick and Wilson. I'm not really a fan of bringing any remnants of USC's defense into the program, but I'll trust Fisher on the McDonald pick... I guess. Overall a great draft that can only get better. It really helped out that they secured Jake Long before it got underway.
I like the Rams' draft, but I'm not sure that chemistry between Austin and Bailey, two wide receivers, will have any effect whatsoever on the team.
to bring a part of your support system as a young rookie navigating the pressures of suddenly being an NFL player, I don't know what to tell you. No effect whatsoever? That's ludicrous on its face.
How is it any different than any two players being drafted from the same school? Brockers and Barksdale both went to LSU. McLeod and Conrath went to Virginia. Jared Cook and Darian Stewart went to South Carolina. It happens all the time for lots of NFL teams.
I find it intresting you said Worford has bad technique. I have read just the opposite. Although, I do not watch film, I am just a sports fan. With that being said. I like the Lions draft so far (B). I would like to see them get Denard in the 5th and the rest of the picks on D.
What do the Jets have now, six quarterbacks?
Sanchez, Smith, Tebow, Garrard, McElroy... I think that's it, but those are five pretty high profile QBs.
The Jets have 6 guys listed as QBs. Im not sure they have a single NFL QB on that roster at this point.
Simms (Phil's kid) and Tebow will definitely be cut, and Sanchez will most likely be cut after June 1 (costs us the same as playing him through the season at that point).
The Jets are a disaster.
Yeah, yeah, so easy and fun and popular to make fun of the Jets. I'm actually content with our draft so far. Got two guys we had in our top 5 at picks 9 and 13 that will make the D even stronger (we were 8th or something last year without Revis and with the worst offense in the world). Then got arguably the best qb in the draft who we considered taking at 9 in the second round without trading up (gamble paid off), a solid versatile interior lineman, and a RB with a lot of potential for our 4th (Ivory from the Saints).
Yeah, we're still rebuilding and have serious needs at OLB (though it seems like we're switching to mostly a 4-3 and shouldn't have trouble generating a pass rush with a beefy and quick DL), FS, TE, and maybe WR, but I hardly see the draft or the team as a disaster.
I was meh on the Bears draft until they picked up Greene today. Finding talented LB depth like that in the 4th round is great. I understand the Long pick in the first, but I really, REALLY, wanted Eifert. A DT and CB to finish out the 5th and 6th and it's a success.
I feel like it's another year, another big lol. Just hoping that it works out.
Same here. Was a slightly positive-leaning 'meh' coming into the day, but trading down to draft the 6th rated punter in the 5th round had me LOLing. Normally, I agree with the idea that these people are professional talent evaluators, and I'm just some knob on a couch, but this is the Lions we're talking about, so they're not getting the benefit of the doubt from me (I'm sure they're crushed).
No real enthusiasm in either direction, just have to wait and see and hope to be pleasantly surprised one of these years.