OT: What's a Wal Mart Wolverine?
those kids are showing toughness.
your girlfriend, woof.
Yes! It's never a wrong time for a Macaulay Caulkin quote.
for Michigan fans who didn't actually attend UM. In other words, state fans are pissed because Michigan has a larger fanbase.
You're new here, so it's okay, but "MSU" and "offensive" are usually in the same sentence.
Unless you're talking about football.
Yeah, it's Sparty rage over not having a national fan base.
It's one of the most ridiculous charges one fan can levy against another.
For example, although I went to Michigan and was born in the state, growing up, I lived much closer to Chicago than I did Detroit. So, seeing as I am not from Detroit, and lived closer to Chicago, does that make me a Walmart Wings fan? Do I have to root for the Blackhawks, and all other Chicago sports teams?
I also cheer for several local division II and III schools. Am I no longer allowed to do that? Does that lessen my fandom?
It's dumb, and typical Sparty behavior.
I would have to start rooting for the playoff-fearing Blue Jackets! Maybe I could just pull out my toenails with a pair of pliers.
In all seriousness, Sparty isn't a factor in central Ohio and Michigan is, and that's pretty much the way things are, and have been as long as I can remember. I didn't see any State fans until I came to Michigan.
I did that once...seriously...toe got infected...it was nasty...hmmm nothing to see here, keep moving.
Actually, you're a Walmart Wing because you're not part of the franchise. If you didn't play for the team or work in the front office somehow, rooting for the team makes you a huge, delusional loser.
actually yes. Unless you ever played or worked for the Detroit Redwings you are not a real fan.
When clearly Meijer has better gear?
It's the epitome of jealousy breeding resentment. Success creates a larger fanbase. People in the state who didn't go to to MSU that support MSU basketball are just "smart fans" while non alumni Michigan fans are denigrated. Welcome to the logic of Sparty.
most die hard sparty fans didn't attend MSU and that sparty swag is sold at Wallmart.
They also deep down wish that somehow they were born UM fans. They secretly wish they had some childhood event, even something as minor as watching the game with their father---or having a trip to the Big House as their first ever sporting event, to remove the burden of being stuck with MSU.
A lot of Michigan students and alumn use it as well. I've always used it to describe people who are Michigan fans but have no other meaningful affiliation with the university (e.g. not an alumn or someone who has a parent/sibling/mentor who attended and imparted the spirit of Michigan Men, ect.) and equate them with the people who aren't from New York and wear Yankees hats and all Duke fans.
It's when you're a fan of Michigan despite not having any formal affiliation to the university.
Myself = Wal Mart Wolverine
Points than me, and I am an alum...damn you.
I thought you were past clarity?
It's still the liqour talking
It's the call of the insecure.
They're typically green with envy.
And having people who cheer for your team is bad how? I could care less if you went to school at M or not. If you support this team and aren't a total asshole, you are in club M. Period.
Interestingly enough, they stole their color combination from a certain school in Ypsilanti.
No one outside the state of Michigan cares about State. They don't have much of a fan base outside alumni. They cope with this by acting like having fans outside the alumni base is a bad thing.
Don't worry. Nothing they do makes sense to us, either.
Michigan has a huge following of both alums and just regular people who want to cheer for Michigan. MSU's fan base is mostly alumni and family members.
Or so goes the common wisdom.
I actually have a friend who went to Michigan with me and is a huge Spartan fan. He hates Michigan with an undying passion but realized that it was a better school so he chose to attend U of M over MSU.
He once called a friend of mine who was visiting a "Walmart Wolverine," so I started calling him a "Save-a-Lot Spartan," which irks him to no end seeing as he and I received the same education.
I don't refer to any other non-MSU alums who happen to be fans as Save-a-Lot Spartans (in part because that would make me a hypocritical douche), just him.
Serves him right.
Does he wear axe?
a sparty fan in Lansing. Unlike your friend though, I was able to utilize the higher education I received at UM to become a Wolverine. Grandparents, aunts/uncles were/are die hard State fans, my parents have graduate degrees from state... but my older brother and sister paved the way out of town to a better education.
The funny thing is, I used to root for State except against UM of course. Then I lived in socal for many years and came to see and experience the irrational and "udder" hatred of most State fans for anything UM. So now I'm back in A2 and living with no respect for MSU's football program. Izzo I can respect but the rest of the fans/program? No thanks.
In their minds, it's somehow qualitatively different if you cheer for MSU but did not go there. I think they welcome the publicity in some odd way.
Ok then what about State fans that didn't attend MSU?
They seem to take some pride in the fact that there aren't any.
I happen to know more State fans who went elsewhere for college than I do fans who actually went to MSU.
I know many people who are MSU fans but couldn't even get into MSU. They actually are, in fact, no better than anyone else.
You're right that it is supposed to be derogatory. It is usually used by Michigan State fans to describe a fan of Michigan who never went to the school. As a graduate of Michigan, I still don't understand the logic of the insult.
Let's take a family as an example. Say that I have kids, and being an enormous fan of Michigan I will of course raise them to be fans. MSU fans couldn't possibly make the argument that since my young kids haven't gone to Michigan (yet) that they have no right to cheer for the program. But say now that my kids grow up watching, cheering, supporting, and loving Michigan their entire childhood and early adulthood. If my kids choose to go to other Universities, why should they suddenly stop being a fan of the program they have always loved?
The fact that it is meant to be an insult is beyond me.
Wal Mart Wolverine is actually a derogatory term utilized by other Big Ten schools' disdain for Michigan alums' prowess for identifying low-cost retailers to fully stretch their food and incidental budgets in the midst of economic uncertainty.
Basically, State alums are angry because they spent their income on cases of Natty Ice and upholstered couches in 2008 while we Wolverines adapted.
Were promptly burned.
It's quite a relief to hear this from a fan of another school.
Each and every year, regardless of the outcome of the game, I get showered in shit from my State friends (from high school; I'm from the Detroit area) about how the fan bases and students of each school are just as dickheaded and classless as the other.
It's just not true. Michigan State has a major douche infection and I'm glad you're acknowledging this.
....for making sure MSU basically couldn't start a sentence, much less an offensive series.
I know we play Nebraska in a couple weeks, but I can respect a fan of any team more once they have seen the real Sparty.
Welcome to the B1G!!!! You have experienced the douchery of Sparty. Michigan Ski-Mask University. Taking into account how bad you guys killed them, just imagine what you would be experiencing if you guys had actually lost to them.
Ah espn boards, an epicenter of idiocy. The state fans' constant obsession with anything and everything Michigan leads them to come up with all these stupid names. It's their inferiority complex: maybe they should focus on actually filling their stadium for once when the game isn't against Michigan. I know nebraska has sold out every game since 1962. Well Michigan has had 236 straight sellouts (dating back to the purdue game in 1975). Pretty great streaks. Can't wait for Michigan-nebraska in two weeks. Are you going, husker?
Sparty's have changed their tune somewhat... more recent defintions include "Michigan fans who cheer for MSU in basketball" (who generally don't exist outside of people who don't care about sports at all) or "white trash Michigan fans who would be the object of scorn in Ann Arbor" (not even remotely accurate).
Still the single most idiotic "insult" ever
I liked MSU basketball last year. That offense they run is top notch. Everyone just hovers around the three point line and throws up bombs. Throw it in with shitty defense and terrible rebounding and you have the post cavs debacle Spartans. Can't wait to see them again this year.
I grew up in Michigan, but went to a private college that didn't have a football team. Not that it mattered much, I was raised watching guys like Howard and Edwards play so I became a fan. I'm willing to bet that a large portion of any state school's fan base is made up of people that never attended the university.
And I grew up in Michigan and went to another state school that didn't gave a D1 football team, Michigan Tech. I started rooting for Michigan when I was about 10 or so during the early Schembechler era and have consistantly supported them since, even when they've been down like the last few years.
I ended up marrying a Michigan alumn and my daughter is a freshman there, so I guess I'm sort of legit now. But my wife's brother, who is an UofM alumn, actually questioned my right to wear a Michigan hat a couple of years ago, so MSU fans aren't the only ones who look down at non-alumn fans.
That's just me though.
I would say less than 0.0001% of Michigan alums would ever question your right to wear Michigan gear!
Some of my friends went to other schools in the Big 12 and are Michigan fans because Michigan was on television so often in the 90s while they were growing up. Jerame Tuman got a lot people in Kansas to become Michigan fans!
I totally agree his actions were unusual and totally unexpected, too. He'd known me for 20+ years by that point and that I had always been a UofM fan. I really wonder if he was just being obtuse, but he certainly sounded serious. Anyway, I didn't take off the hat and still regularly wear it.
There's a site devoted to the idea:
I'm sure this has been posted here many times.
Coming from a "Wal-Mart Wolverine" this website is just pathetic..I don't find myself offended at all. The website only makes the Spartan fanbase look jealous and childish.
The majority of these pictures are people who seemingly are from low income families, obese or just plain old average people having a good time.
Basically, that website is just photos of overweight and/or impoverished people wearing Michigan gear and mocking them. Classy.
I sent them a picture of one of the wolverines from the Detroit Zoo and said, "This guy claims to be a wolverine but I'm positive he never went to Michigan". I got a response back says, "Is that what passes off as humor at EMU?" I guess I should have responded back, "I dunno, it beats mocking fat people". That website is a poor imitation of straightcashhomey.net and peopleofwalmart.com.
It's completely an invention of MSU, created to reinforce the notion that everyone who supports Sparty went there while everyone who supports UM is an idiot who never got in. Of course, my counter has always been that if having a faction of Walmart Wolverines is that UM is a national brand like only a few other schools, then so be it. Better than a regional school with little national prominence except being blown out on TV and rioting.
I personally think Walmart has some pretty good deals on UM merchandise. Very affordable for those of us that can't afford a $50 polo from M-Den....yet.
I don't think it's a stretch to say, however, that those of us who went to Michigan have a very different apprecation for and loyalty to this University than people who didn't. Something which is often misunderstood, even resented by non-alum fans.
Everyone has a right to be a Michigan fan, of course, but for some of us, this school is more than an athletic department.
That makes a lot of assumptions. My father isn't an alum and he loves the university with every fiber of his being. In college, he'd go out of his way to study at the university library. One need not be an alum or student to treasure and appreciate the university, every resident of the state of Michigan should.
What's unique from an alumni perspective is the daily interaction with the program via players being around campus or the cheap ass student tickets. But those aren't really that unique... university employees may have the same experiences, for example.
In general I think that only makes sense...
But it's far from universal.
I've spoken to a few alumni (and it's not like I run into them all that much) who's affinity for Michigan is at best limited to their time there. They have little interest in the current happenings.
Even more so with athletics and football specifically...
Some of those same alumni "went to a few games" during their time there and currently only follow casually (if at all). On the other hand, I know "Walmart Wolverines" who are willing to drive nearly 20 hours round trip just to attend the spring game, some who were buried with Michigan gear, and many who plan their entire fall around Michigan football.
my entire immediate family, along with some grandparents + their siblings, either graduated from or worked at UM. I got my start in research there, working in a lab after I graduated college. my mom & dad met at UM. I'm not an alum, but I'd be willing to bet money that my generations-deep love for the wolverines is at least as personal as that of the average UM student/alum. I think drawing such a hard line between alumni & everyone else is simplistic at best, & terribly inaccurate in some cases.
I am a Michigan fan and a Michigan alum, and I actually get treated with a certain degree of warped deference by my Spartan friends and colleagues when it comes sports (proving that theyreally wanted to go to Michigan all along, right?). They are merciless with the so-called "Walmart Wolverines", but with me, the football banter can be - but rarely is - almost pleasant and even filled with amusing zingers.
It's a strange double standard that makes me despise that fanbase even more, but don't tell any MSU people I know that, please.
One thing I would like to say - I think the appreciation for the school itself is qualitatively different if you went there. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I think that can be said for any alum of any school.
Wow, everybody got it wrong. Its when ppl who didn't go to either school but somehow rag on States academics.
You don't have to go to Michigan to realize the academics at MSU are shit.
I love this one. My alma mater (not Michigan, but located in Michigan) is ranked 234 spots higher than MSU but I'm not allowed to rag on MSU's academics. Sparty logic at its finest.
It's because we have such a large fan base and a ton of fans that aren't alumni. It's pretty much just jealousy generated from people that went to schools like msu. They cant take that the only people that care about their school are people that went to school there.
I asked my Spartan friends if they hate being televised because they may risk attracting a fan that's not alum? They didn't get it. They never do.
MSU "fans" say that don't make sense. I think it's supposed to be derogatory against Michigan fans who didn't attend the university and buy Michigan apparel at Wal-Mart. Part of this might actual have historical background, because Michigan was the first university to widely brand and sell its logo and clothing. This is just my theory, however. Ironically, it is just because no one outside of Michigan cares about MSU that they go with this.
Your a Husker fan, a Wal-Mart Husker would be a Husker fan that is not an alumni and has no association with the school. Almost the entire population of Nebraska could be called "Wal-Mart Husker" fans. Like let's say Nebraska Omaha went D1 and they kept their football team and went FBS. They wouldn't have the fanbase Nebraska Lincoln has. UNO fans would be jealous that nobody really cares about them and would start calling you guys "Wal-Mart Huskers." You don't hear this term because you don't have another team in Nebraska competing with you for fans.
It's a dumb term. I didn't go to Michigan. I've never even lived there. My parents were born there and my Grandparents worked for GM. My Dad was in the Air force. I've lived everywhere but I consider Michigan home and most of my family lives there. Michigan is my team. I'm the definition of a Wal-Mart Wolverine, and I don't care.
Do they REALLY compete with Michigan fans, or do they simply attract a niche market of douches with an inferiority complex (and anyway, would you buy an inferior douche)?
When I was a kid there was no Wal-Marts, only K-Marts and I was a wolverine fan back when I was 8 years old, way before I thought I would ever attend the University of Michigan, so that would make me a K-Marts wolverine.
Really it's just something stupid a jealous little brother would say!
The Lions Fans one is also pretty funny, but out of date this year.. He recently did one on State, too.
Yeah but his MSU one was typical of people of use Wal-Mart Wolverine. "Well MSU has loads of hot chicks, more than any other school in the country and we all know how to party".
I'm a walmart Wolverine and damn proud of it, my sister and brother in-law both went to U of M, and my Grandpa got me hooked on U of M when I was 5. I'm now 30 and a season ticket holder of 4 years.
The bigger the fan base the better the team...right? To hell with State fans they can't come to terms with not being a National team.
Michigan fan definition "1" = Michigan alumni.
Michigan State fan definition "1" = Michigan State alumni.
Michigan fan definition "2" = didn't go to either school so they have a choice, and choose Michigan.
Michigan State fan definition "2" = Uh ... see definition #1? We can't find any more.
I'm a Wal Mart Wolverine by definition. I didn't get good enough grades nor could my parents afford to get me into Michigan. But I fell in love with the wings, the colors, the fight song, the stadium, the nickname, Bo Schembechler, Rick Leach, Anthony Carter, Rob Lytle, and Butch Woolfolk. I took pride in how the Wolverines represented our state, and still do, especially in these tough economic times the stadium is still always 110,000 strong. If you're a Michigan resident choosing sides, what on earth would compel you to choose State over the Leaders and Best? It's not even a fair fight. And for that matter, if you're a college football fan anywhere and your situation compels you to choose a "national" program (didn't go to a FBS school; live in a region that doesn't really identify itself with a program; you're not Irish Catholic), what better option than to root for the greatest college football program in the history of the sport?
I have friends who went to both schools, but friends like me and my family who went to neither school always root for Michigan, and passionately. And yes, that website does make you cringe. These seem like just regular people who may not be the most refined or attractive representatives of the UM fanbase but never asked for their photo to be shared publicly either, especially if it was taken and posted without their knowledge. They use the term "scUM" to describe U of M while pulling this? Really? With a straight face? Please.
So ridiculous...and shameful, really.
I was brought up in a mid-Michigan household where Bo held demi-god status. Michigan will always be my team despite choosing the service academy route over Ann Arbor.
I wear the WalMart label proudly.
My definition of one. If you serve our country over attending the school of your dreams you are above such comments.
I don't post anywhere but here and MaizeNBrew because of Walmart Wolverine statements and personal attacks. I graduated HS in '98 and was accepted to the University of Michigan, but I enlisted instead. I have been in ever since, and earned my degree in Computer Science while raising a family and taking vacations in South West Asia. I don't wanna argue with strangers on teh interwebz about whether I have the right to root for the team I have rooted for my whole life. I grew up in Ohio. I earned the right. So there ya go.
/cool story bro
Basically one of sparty's short-man syndrome side effects.
They can't attract fans outside of alumni, so that is what they resort to; calling out fans of michigam that didn't attend the school.
It's just jealousy. They wish they could get over 100,000 fans for 236 straight games.
LIke the guy on that HBO special said, our colors do just happen to look great with a pair of khaki's.
IMO there actually are a small % of UM fans, like that Mikey character from american chopper, that are just drawn to the kick ass name and best of any school colors.
I'm not just a WalMart Wolverine. I am WalMart Wolverine.
"Walmart Wolverine" on WXYT 97.1 The Ticket. It's a sports talk show in Detroit for those that don't live around metro Detroit. Pat Caputo started talking this smack a few years ago. He explains that a Walmart Wolverine is a fan of Michigan who never went to school there. On his show he will even call you out if there is a topic on Michigan and you call in with an opinion. He honestly believes that no can be a fan of Michigan if you didn't attend Michigan. What an ass. I got into it with him last year when I had an opinion and called. Told him I was a 23 year season football ticket holder, Victors Club member, 3 year basketball season ticket holder, plus my son has attended UM Basketball camp for 10 years. He wanted to argue that I didn't have the right a talk because I didn't go to school there. He now has Terry Foster and the self righteous Mike Valenti talking this crap. Oh, all three throw the arrogant Michigan thing around also. Hate all three of these idiots. Like anyone who loves a university and is a true fan and lives, eats and sleeps their program isn't arrogant. I believe every school is like that. When your school is good you have the right to brag a little.
So what do they call Spartan fans who didn't go to MSU????
Some of us who are fans, and not alumni, have Walmart in our holdings. I have earned plenty of dollars over the years through that company. This allows me to attend games at the Big House and buy my gear at the M Den. When I retire in 4yrs and 9 mo most of my money will still be coming from that store up the street from all of us and I will have a vest made to wear at the game so all will know who the walmart wolverine is Go Blue.
Its OK though, despite not having a national following they DO recruit nationally.
A "Walmart Wolverine" is a derogatory term used by Spartan fans to put down non-alumni fans. The ironic thing is that most MSU fans also never went to college there and many MSU fans and alumni shop at Walmart.
I once had a MSU fan that went to WMU mock me (an alumni of UofM) for Michigan having too many "Walmart Wolverines" that didn't go to school there. When I pointed out that he didn't go to MSU, he said UofM has more fans that didn't go there. So I asked him if he was less of a fan for not having attended MSU and he refused to answer and repeated that UofM has more fans that didn't go to college than MSU. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like that.
Does anyone know if "Caution: May Cause Wearer To Become Hypocritical And Logically Defunct" is on MSU gear anywhere?
I agree with virtually all of the above posts. "Walmart Wolverine" is largely a derogatory term used by jealous MSU fans to rip on the non Michigan alumni fan base.
However, Michigan fans (particularly alumni fans) often put down fans of Ohio who didn't attend Ohio. Here are several examples:
- Bob Ufer, a famous Michigan announcer for Michigan fans of a certain age, quipped at one time that "Ohio Stadium is "10000 alumni and 74000 truck drivers."
- Mgoblog fans have loved an incredible youtube video of a non-Ohio alumni fan with an Ohio State themed bathroom. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFuR56RxlGc
- Brian Cook, the proprietor of this here site, used the tag line for most of the last year, "Save us the hymnals, cooler poopers." This was a derogatory reference to the Ohio State fans who pooped in coolers. LInk: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2009/09/10/biggame.html Quote: (in reference to adding extra porta potties.) Ohio State hopes so and says it has learned its lesson from big matchups such as the Texas game in 2005, in which cleanup crews found several soiled shorts and a few coolers filled with poop."
mgobloggers love to ridicule the non-alumni Ohio fan for both their sartorial splendor (jorts, painted faces, strings of buckeyes, etc.) and their hairstyles, i.e., mullets, mohawks, etc. Link: http://thedirty.com/2009/09/die-hard-fan/
And on the nature of actual Ohio State alumni, Michigan alumni love to put down the quality of Ohio State academics. While Ohio State certainly isn't ranked as highly as Michigan, they have made significant improvements, and are no longer a slouch in that category.
What's my point? Mr. pot, meet Mr. Kettle. I happen to think that it is great Michigan has far more "Walmart Wolverine" non alumni fans than MSU. But that being the case, there has to at least be an acknowledgement of the inconsistency of ripping Ohio for THE SAME THING!!!
...and I know I am guilty of it. Still, it is an inconsistency which has produced some amusing lines over the years.
Going off of your examples, though, it seems that all of those digs against Ohio State (save Ufer's quote) are more general insults of their fans as opposed to Sparty calling out every UM fan's right to root for their team. I don't think I've heard anyone say that Ohio fans have no business rooting for their team because they don't even go there. I would be curious to see what Sparty would say about the other teams in the B1G with large fanbases (Nebraska, OSU, PSU).
There's a difference. We put down the non-alum Ohio fans because they shit in coolers, send death threats to Herbstreit, and take poops in the #1 mutha. fukkin. bafroom, not just for not being alums.
On the other hand, since according to Sparty there are no non-alum Sparty fans, it must be the alums themselves that spray-paint STAEE on cars in Ann Arbor.
Walmart Wolverine: n 1)Name created by Michigan State adolescents who were rejected by the UofM admissions department. 2) Term used to degrade Michigan fans who did not actually attend the school (raising the question - how do spartan fans root for the Lions, Tigers, Red Wings, or any other team they never played for?) 3) The only derogatory name Sparty fans could come up with after a night of mass alcohol consumption and inhilation of the toxic fumes of burning couch fibers...otherwise known as "a school night."
Don't forget their other nickame for us, scUM, scUMmers, Walvies, Little Sister. *yawn*
The little sister nickname intrigues me. We all know how they got the "little brother" moniker, but they couldn't come up with anything better than "little sister" as a retort? That's like calling somebody an asshole and they say "oh yeah? well you're a bigger asshole!"
Well, you're a bigger asshole times infinity!
There are no walmart Spartans, because anybody with a second grade education gets into MSU.
This information should have been in your conference integration packet.
I figured Nebraska fans would be a little perplexed by this particular derogation. We often use you guys as an example (ie "would you tell the whole state of Nebraska they can't root for the Huskers?) when explaining why the concept is so silly.
I expect some Spartan fans now are trying to back off that concept because it makes their fanbase come across as petty, but I doubt it will work--it's far too ingrained. They're a great university, the paragon of the Morrill Act schools, yet share the state with the Harvard of the Midwest. The unfortunate effect of this is to create a fanbase for MSU that is justifiably oversensitive about the perceived denigration of their rightful place among universities. To hear it from a Michigan alum they call it snobbery; to hear it from a non-alum they call it hypocrisy. "Walmart Wolverine" is the latter.
I'm a Walmart Wolverine. I just went to Walmart looking for coffee filters for our office coffee maker.
Bought a bag of chips and a Mountain Dew.
People need to get f*ck off their high horses; not everyone can afford to goto Whole Foods or Zingerman's and splurge on the Neimann Ranch pork, washed down with grass-fed American Kobe ribeyes and a $200 bottle of Barolo. Walmart is cheap; it has cheap things. People who need things at cheap prices will go there.
FWIW I'm in a D.I.N.K. (dual-income no kids) household who makes a lot of money; really don't think it's cool ripping on people because they are poor/in a lower socioeconomic level than myself.
A lot of misconceptions here.....
I don't think msu fans simply call every fan that didn't go to um a walmarter. Its the obnoxious fans that attack any other fan, for whatever reason, and start crap without having gone to the school.
A community college person who crap talks any fan base, for example. Its not right just to say its a um fan who didn't go there. Not really, its ANY jerkoff that talks crap to others or attacks their fans when they don't have a real affiliation.
When I was growing up, I wanted to go to Michigan and when it came time to apply, I didn't realize I needed to apply early so I got my application in late and was "conditionally accepted". My High School Counselor mentioned that EMU had a scholarship and I would probably qualify for it. I looked into EMU and thought I could go there for a year and then transfer to UM. I was accepted to EMU and got the scholarship and stayed at EMU to get my degree. I still am a UM fan but I also enjoy EMU "sports". I figure following EMU keeps me rooted ot the ground.
I also feel that through my blog I support UM in other ways than just sports. So if I'm a Walmart Wolverine, so be it. There are much worse things to be called. Speaking of which, I wonder if I should submit my picture of me on the sidelines of the Big House in a Michigan hat and EMU shirt to that website....:)