Plenty of non-UM sports going on and after reading the box score from last night's loss to KC, I'm curious what some Detroit area locals think about what's going on with JV. I don't live in the area, so I can't see the FSD broadcasts of the games. Can someone shed some light on what is going on with him? I recall a couple seasons ago he went through a tough period where he was supposedly tipping his pitches. Is he experiencing more of the same or is just getting rocked right now, lost his confidence?
OT: What's up with Justin Verlander?
He got paid son. He don't need to try no more.
It might be time for him to go the way of John Smoltz and become a closer in the near future. He still has some good stuff but the third time throught line up this year teams are batting over .300 against him. He is probably still too young for this line of thinking but watching him struggle is new for Tigers fans.
Just a thought.
but the few times I've seen him, he looks like he still has his velocity. And if what you think is true, then thats quite a drop off from the past two seasons. Its hard to imagine following up with his Cy Young season of 2012, last year wasn't quite as good, but he still had decent command. What we're seeing this year looks more than just a waning of production...but I do see what you're saying.
Yeah, I was just throwing it out there. I doubt he would like the idea and it may not make much sense but he would be a serious upgrade over Nathan at the very least.
If he was tipping his pitches, I would think it would have been corrected by now. Probably has something to do with the fact he got paid, he has a significant other outside of baseball now, and he's also 31 years old.
He had a significant other when he threw his first no-hitter, when the Tigers won the pennant.
He had his current significant other when he dominated the A's in the playoffs.
I could go on. Please lose the TMZ attitude.
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Just like Verlander's fastball
I think the problem is that opponents are finding his fastball a little too easily.
has been giving him tips.
My bad... looks like the URL caught an extra space at the end of it in my link.
He is taking the normal career arch of a baseball player that isn't juiced up. Or maybe he still isn't 100% after off season surgery. It's the million dollar question in Detroit.
*multi-million dollar question
This thread is just begging for a slew of Kate Upton pics/gifs.
because she is gorgeous.
What's with all the same threads asking what's wrong with JV?
Because we care. And because its the off-season? I'm asking because its now two starts in a row with 7 earned runs given up.
I hasten to add that he stil has a good fastball--but he does not have a Justin Verlander fastball anymore. He is usally around 93-95 tops now, which is a significant difference from a couple of years back when he was hittibng 99-100 in the 7th and 8th innings when he needed it. He can't get up there anymore, and I think he's struggling because he's trying to adjust to life where he can't blow the fastball past guys. But his stuff is still very good, and a 94 fastball is also still good, so I think he will get it straightened out.
or attempted to--the difference you cite in still 5 mph, which in MLB is considerable. Two years ago he regularly hit 99 at the same point in games
According to fangraphs PitchF/X his average fastballs velocities in a given season are thus:
He can still run it up there but he has lost some velocity since his best years in '09-'12. This is probably a combo of everything people have cited so far: age, innings load, injury, motivation and work ethic. If he wants to be one of the best again he's gonna have to learn to pitch smarter not harder because his best stuff is probably behind him now.
So everyone saying the same shit makes a difference now?
It keeps giving and giving, day in and day out. New game each day. Its glorious.
Command, he doesn't have it.
SPOTTING: Verlander and Upton at somerset mall..life=made pic.twitter.com/XHvbbpHWaE
— Maggie McElroy (@Maggie_McElroy) June 16, 2014
Supposedly taken around 3:30pm yesterday before the game. Shouldn't he be at the park preparing and practicing, instead he's with his "girl". Dude used to be my favorite player, I could give 2 shits about the guy at this point.
What does green sandals have to do with it?
He has sandals to match all of his shirts or was he just lucky yesterday?
I think this does provide valuable information. He should be at the ball park at this time.
Not really. Unless we know that he has changed his pre-game routine this is meaningless. Pitchers are notorious for having a very specific gameday routine and his could very well be that he arrives two hours before the game. The point is, we have no fucking clue.
actually it shows that he could care less about game day and apparently he'd rather be at a mall 3 1/2 hrs before game time but that is just my MO
If he were not pitching that day, fine. But on a day where he's supposed to be starting, I'd think he should be elsewhere - at least where there are no distractions like a huge mall. I'm beginning to think his main problem is related to focus and concentration on and off the field - not some problem with his arm or shoulder. Just my opinion, nothing else.
God, please stop the stupid.
What the fuck is he going to do at the ballpark 3.5 hours before the game starts. Seriously, answer that question without the following:
1. Watch tape - He watches tape every non-start day for hours.
2. Stretch - He obviously is on a strict stretching routine.
3. Warm-up - See above.
What else? Why does he need to be at the park more than 3.5 hours before the game starts. Will he be a better pitcher if he sits in the dugout and takes a nap instead of having his normal night game routine? Would he pitch better if he played ping pong in the clubhouse for an hour before the game?
Where were the complaints about Verlander's game-day Taco Bell before he got to the park before this year?
Enough of this awful, logicless, TMZ/voyeur bullshit.
EDIT: Also, the picture was taken at 3:14 at the latest. That means he could have easily been at CoPa by 4pm, which is 3 hours before the game. Somerset to CoPa is a 30 min drive at most.
People are so f'ing stupid with their "players aren't focused because they weren't at the park 10 hours before the game" bullshit. The dude has been pitching his whole life. How many hours does he need to show up before the game to get locked in?
Ausmus needs to pull him into his office and give him a vision test with a notepad and sharpie. Fixes everything.
They should send them to Toledo to get his confidence and command back.
He's not eligible to be sent down unless he's injured and going for a rehab assignment.
Tell me about it, he's screwing me in my fantasy league!
Before we wanna make JV the next John Smoltz. Smoltz only became a closer/reliever after having Tommy John surgery. Without the injury, he woulda always been a starter. It had nothing to
Do with tired arm or struggles.
My guess on JV is that his offseason is spent more on his personal life and not on baseball like it was in the past. Dude got paid, got a hot ass girlfriend and I'm guessing his weight lifting and long toss sessions are not as long as they were in say 2010. Probably why his arm strength is down. His command isn't there, because his confidence is down. Same thing happened last year. Started the year strong and confident and then struggled to find it in the May and June. Then when they needed him the most in September and October, he got it back.
You do know his offseason consisted of double groin surgery right? That might have altered exactly how much training he could do this winter.
His K's are down (6.4/9 vs career # of 8.4/9)
His BB are up (3.8/9 vs career # of 2.8/9)
This is typcial of a pitcher who doesn't have the same stuff.
Beyond that I can't say as I haven't seen a ton of him throwing, but I'd cast a suspicous gaze toward that 2011 season where he threw 251 innings plus another 20 in the post season. It was one of the best seasons seen in MLB in recent years. Then he followed it up in 2012 with 238 innings plus 28 more in the post season.
By 2013 his #'s look like a solid starter in a 2 or 3 spot, but not the ace he was previously. This year, he's stepped down another notch.
are you saying that he pumped out too many innings in 2011 and 2012 and he's getting worn out? If so, curious...I think you're onto it. Along with some other things folks are mentioning...
do they normally let the guy try and pitch through the control issues, or is it concievable to shut him down midseason for a couple of weeks to see if it isn't fatigue related?
...that's what I'm wondering too. He's been starting games ok been then getting rocked on the 2nd & 3rd times through the order. Maybe he needs the rest of a few weeks off? Perhaps a trip to the DL?
I don't know...but there was some speculation that the offseason surgery messed up his offseason workout routine and that he just isn't in as good of shape as he normally would be.
is that in the past few years, even when he was pitching well (overall) he'd sometimes get rocked in the first inning, then settle down and get into a groove. And then last 8-9 innings...
While his early innings have been OK, he is throwing a lot of pitches to get there. Typically by the fourth inning he is around 70 pitches. Also, it seems like when he has two strikes on batters they stand in and foul off pitch after pitch. He doesn't have the 100mph pitch that he can call up anymore.
I'm afraid his days of power pitching are over. He will either learn to win with control and experience or he will be a .500 pitcher from here on.
Being asked for the 3rd time now and the 2nd time in two weeks. And the jersey number threads in June vs. August.
We've gotten off to a REALLY bad start this summer.
If your thread title is a random thought or OT question...it can probably be asked/discussed IN a thread vs. AS a thread.
Who made me police? No one. I'm not being a dick, just trying to help.
As for Justin, if I got paid lifetime millions and was consistently banging a super model...I'd lose focus too. Hell, if I got paid just ONE million OR banged a super model (once)...I'd lose focus.