OT: What if the Group of 5 had its own CFB Playoff?

Submitted by Mr. Yost on

It actually may not be a terrible idea - I hadn't really thought of it.

What if the Group of 5 (American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA) held its own playoff? I suppose if you're like Houston this season and you make that P5 playoff, great...you just fill in another team as the 4-seed in the Group of 5 Playoff.

I know I'd watch it! Those would be some fun matchups. However, it doesn't really accomplish anything and I don't like then notion that you lose the Boise St. upsets over Oklahoma and whatnot.

Here's a link to the idea: http://thecomeback.com/ncaa/group-of-five-playoff-college-football-bowl-games.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

What do you think?

FauxMo

December 16th, 2016 at 9:32 AM ^

Sure, I'd "watch" in the same way I "watch" a lot of bowl games during December, which is: "Hey, look, there's a bowl game on at 4 PM today. That sounds like an excuse to sit on the couch and drink until my liver hurts and eat pizza and ignore work and other responsibilities!" 

Mr. Yost

December 16th, 2016 at 9:48 AM ^

Absolutely.

That said...if you really look at it. Only one of those schools is actually playing a big boy.

Once they don't make the P5, they end up in meaningless bowls against medicore P5 schools.

So the logic can't be...don't you think those FOUR schools would rather play the (top) P5 schools.

The question is more like..."Hey Temple! Would you rather play Wake Forest...or Houston/Boise St.?"

It very well still may be the P5 school, but I'm not as confident saying they'd prefer to play Wake Forest and Baylor as I'd be saying they'd prefer to be in the Cotton Bowl playing Wisconsin.

Just a thought.

Mr Miggle

December 16th, 2016 at 10:46 AM ^

don't participate? To me, it would be as meaningless as the lower tier bowl games, but with the facade of trying to mean something.

It's not just a question who the top G5 schools would prefer to play. WMU would be turning down a lot of money if they didn't go to the Cotton Bowl.

ldevon1

December 16th, 2016 at 9:33 AM ^

You, and 50 other people would watch, If there was nothing else on TV. Those teams would rather compete against the big boys, where the money is greater and they would have nothing to lose. 

Mr. Yost

December 16th, 2016 at 9:42 AM ^

There's a reason we have fifty-million bowl games. People watch college football.

Houston vs. WMU and Boise St. vs. Temple in a playoff would be watched more than a bunch of these bowls with P5 teams.

You may not like the idea, which is fine. As I said, I don't know if I do...I like the underdog playing the big school. But if your justification is "people won't watch"...that is absolutely ridiculous.

New Mexico is preparing to play Texas San Antonio fergodsakes. ON ESPN!

The Maizer

December 16th, 2016 at 10:06 AM ^

I agree with you for the most part. For me at least, though, I don't care who wins between two group of five teams and that makes it unlikely for me to watch. At least if a group of five team is playing a power five team, there is some sort of conference bias that I have a rooting interest in (pro B1G, anti others).

ldevon1

December 16th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^

Because it doesn't support your idea? Bowl game attendance and viewership has been dropping. How many people watched the FCS playoff? Just because it's on TV, doesn't mean it's desirable. 

Lopsided games and playing the College Football Playoff semifinals on New Year's Eve for the first time led to a 13 percent drop in TV ratings for the New Year's Six Bowls from last year.

The Rose Bowl on Friday drew its lowest rating (7.9) since it became part of the BCS in 1999.

But don't expect any changes to future College Football Playoff schedules based on the one-year dip.

 

The overnight ratings for the big New Year's Day bowls were announced Saturday by ESPN, which broadcasts all the games.

Overall, the ratings for the six major games played Thursday and Friday, including the semifinals in the Orange and Cotton bowls Thursday, averaged a 7.1 overnight rating, down from 8.2 last season, when the first playoff games drew record-breaking audiences to ESPN.

"That decline, frankly, is not much of a surprise and it's modest," College Football Playoff executive director Bill Hancock said. "It's too soon to know how much was due to the lopsided games or how much what I think we all thought would be an inevitable decline from the excitement of the first year or the semifinals on New Year's Eve. I suspect it's a combination of those three, but I don't have any idea what the weighting is. ESPN is studying the numbers and we'll learn a lot more in the next few months."

 

Mr. Yost

December 16th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^

Are you serious? Millions of people would watch. Literally. Not 50, but millions. Especially with the hype it would get. One more time...I'm not for it. I like the big versus little and I don't see what they'd actually be playing for. But to say I'd basically be the only one watching is moronic, ridiculous, wrong, stupid, pick one. People just watched JMU blowout Sam Houston St. and North Dakota St. beat South Dakota St. in record numbers. What does stats about the CFP fucking up and putting their games on NYE and being too stubborn claiming they were going to start a new NYE tradition have to do with any of this? That stat is about the dip they had for poor scheduling and not adjusting the dates and times...where are you going with it?

The Mad Hatter

December 16th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^

G5 schools don't really belong in the playoffs with the P5 schools.  Beating up on other G5 teams and scoring an upset or two over P5 teams shouldn't be enough to get a G5 team in.

WMU was undefeated this year.  How would they do in a game against US, Alabama, or OSU?

King Tot

December 16th, 2016 at 9:57 AM ^

Step 1: Have group of five playoff

Step 2: Expand CFB to Eight Teams, garuntee G5 Champion a spot and power 5 Conference Champs, two "wild cards"

Step 3: Profit

uncle leo

December 16th, 2016 at 9:58 AM ^

If a team like Houston ends up going undefeated and makes the top 4 in the CFP Playoff, then they go and you can take the next best team in the Power 5 to be the 1 seed.

EastCoast Esq.

December 16th, 2016 at 9:59 AM ^

That would be really fun. Instead of them competing against Power 5 schools experiencing down years, they can test themselves against Group 5 schools experiencing unprecedented success. Those would be some great battles.

NittanyFan

December 16th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^

Eastern Michigan, New Mexico State, Louisiana-Monroe, et cetera ........... The NCAA sets out certain requirements to be an FBS school, and all those schools meet them.

Given that, why should anyone in FBS be considered a "2nd rate citizen"? ----- segregated, as it is, to their own playoff.  It smells of "B1G and SEC schools at the front of the bus, MAC and Sun Belt schools at the back of the bus."

The real answer to this is for either (1) the NCAA to actually enforce the requirements to be an FBS school (e.g., EMU doesn't get to meet attendance requirements by having Pepsi help them out), or (2) we actually break FBS off into 2 divisions.

Until that happens, I think the CFP should be equal access for all 128 FBS teams - just as the NCAA hoops tournament is for all 350-ish D-1 teams.  Win your conference and you are guaranteed a spot.  Then fill in with at-large spots.  For college football, that would essentially be a 16-team playoff.

NittanyFan

December 16th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^

FBS football as it currently stands is bizarre ---- we're continuing to let new schools "into the club" (we average about 1 new school to FBS football a year: ODU, Charlotte, App State and Georgia Southern being among the newest members).  

Yet, we don't give them true access to winning the Championship.

What other sports league/NCAA division does that?  None that I can think of.

The last big "break-up" in big-time college football occurred in 1981.  There were 138 D-1A schools in 1981: the Ivy, Missouri Valley, Southern Conference and Southland Conferences were all D-1A conferences.  The NCAA actually set standards for D-1A membership AND enforced them --- in 1982, the D-1A numbers were down to 113 as most members of those 4 beforementioned conferences dropped down to D-1AA (a few like Tulsa and Louisiana-Lafayette remained at D-1A).  The MAC and PCAA (Big West) remained at D-1A: although just barely.

It's probably time for another "re-setting of standards and purging of those who don't meet set standards."

Late Bluemer

December 16th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^

Take the crappy bowl games and have them host the playoff.  Semifinal 1:  Pizza Bowl (or whatever they call it these days), Semifinal 2:  Heart of Dallas, Finals:  Independence Bowl.  I would watch, however.

mgowild

December 16th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^

I think a G5 playoff would be viewed similarly to the other postseason college basketball tournaments (NIT, CBIT, etc). In other words, there wouldn't be much interest. Now I understand there are a lot of bowl games that no one cares about, but is that really a good argument for a G5 playoff? 

If anything, adding a G5 playoff widens the gap between P5 and G5. The current bowl model allows G5 teams the opportunity to compete against good P5 teams. My guess is Western Michigan would prefer the opportunity to upset Wisconsin and be Cotton Bowl champs instead playing two other G5 teams to win a G5 championship. 

Perkis-Size Me

December 16th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^

Exactly. You want to convince good recruits to come to your program or at least even consider you? That doesn't happen by beating San Diego State in the Group of 5 title game. That happens by going to a bowl game with the big boys, where all of national television is watching you, and beating that opponent. 

Beating up on other Group of 5 teams doesn't get you anywhere other than where you already are. 

Perkis-Size Me

December 16th, 2016 at 10:14 AM ^

Would be cool if for no other reason than its more football, but I'd personally rather have an 8 team CFP field, with potentially an at-large bid reserved for the best Group of 5 team out there if they meet certain qualifications, like being in the top 10 and scheduling/beating tough opponents like Boise used to do. 

I'd want to see a Boise or a Houston get the chance one day to truly play for it all. Having a Group of 5 only-playoff feels too much like a "Separate But Equal" system. You get to have your own playoff so you can say you were there, but you know you haven't truly been given a seat at the table. Even if you win that national championship, everyone knows you aren't the real national champion. 

Just call it what it is: a playoff for perceived "lesser" teams. Scrap the idea and give a G5 team a shot that has truly proven itself worthy. 

Brendan71388

December 16th, 2016 at 10:19 AM ^

I'd much rather watch a WMU or Boise St. take their shot at a P5 team than play each other. Like several years ago both TCU and Boise St. got into the BCS...but played each other. Takes the fun out of it.



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RoseInBlue

December 16th, 2016 at 10:22 AM ^

Not only would nobody watch it, G5 schools don't want their own playoff.  They already feel like the CFP has put more distance between the P5 and G5 as it is and they don't like that.  Doing this would essentially make them a  separate division which, again, they don't want.  

Moonlight Graham

December 16th, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^

Here's what I wrote, so I'll contribute it to this discussion. Perhaps the G5 have their own division and 16-team playoff. The shitty bowls are mostly G5's vs G5's so why not make the games mean something. I also add in the implications for paying Fleck a big salary in either scenario. 

"It would be interesting if the Group of Five re-aligned themselves with the NCAA and left the CFP and NY6 to the Power 5. The P5 would basically just be the NFL minor leagues at that point, but whatever. 

The Group of Five could be another "division" (they could use the old "1A" tag from back before 1A and 1AA were renamed FBS and FCS). They could have their own 8 or 16 team playoff instead of sending teams and fans off to Boise or Mobile or Boca Raton for a shitty bowl. 

The Group of Five championship could be played alongside the same schedule as the NY6 bowls, either as one of the New Years Day bowls or on NYE. Or, the Saturday before the CFP championship game. It would be played in a rotating southern location like the CFP, using Tampa or Orlando or San Antonio, etc..

In this scenario, there were a lot of successful P5 teams that are going to match up against each other in crappy bowls anyway so why not have them play each other on the higher-seeded team's campus and have it actually mean something. WMU as the 1 seed along with Houston, WKU, Temple, Navy, USF, Memphis, San Diego State, Tulsa, Toledo, App State, Louisiana Tech, UCF, Wyoming, Boise State and Troy. Playoff istead of shit bowls.

This is where the Fleck $3 mil salary is unteneble. It's too much to justify coaching a program that will never have a shot at a national championship and probably will rarely if ever make NY6 bowl again. But is it also too much to pay a coach who could conceivably win multiple "NCAA division 1A championships"? Probably too much for that, too, as cool as that would be. So I don't know what WMU private donors would be going for here: Perennial bragging rights in the MAC plus an NY6 bowl every decade? "