This won't spiral out of control.
OT: What are the 10 Worst College Football Coach Hiring Decisions of the 21st Century?
...Actually, some of those were head scratchers at the time of the hire, but some of them were pretty well received, if my memory serves correct. I would have to say that Callahan would be higher than that. Nebraska kind of got what it deserved when they fired a dude for going 9-3.
If you ain't first, you're last.
1b Gerg Robinson
Was not successful.
GERG. End thread.
If you don't mind terribly, please do the mods a favor and focus the discussion on just how smooth the Mike Locksley - Bob Davie transition has been for the Lobos so far.
Yeah! I mean, who capitalizes every word in the title of their posts? Sick'em!
At least Tennessee upgraded with the Dooley hire.
RichRod and Gerg ought to be 1a and 1b. Those two were both a disaster together.
I would have to add Kiffin again with Tennessee!!
but how could you tell he wasn't a good fit from day one?
He owns a Delorean.
John L Smith at Arkansas. I think he was only interim but still ...
Are you kidding? John L. was a fabulous hire. In fact, USC should have hired him as their interim coach. It would have made USC games must see football.
It is really hard to believe they care enough about football to call anything they do a bad hire.
Bobby Williams at State? Those turned out to be horrible hires, just as bad if not worse than some of the names on that list.
Do we get a special category for George O'Leary at Notre Dame and Mike Price at Alabama?
No one cares enough about State for their hires to count.
To get really technical, Bobby Williams was a 20th-century hire, and frankly when they hired John LLLLLLL (as Wojo used to hilariously call him) nobody noticed any difference in the Sparty program.
I thought he was made the interim coach late in 99 after Saban bolted for LSU, but didn't get hired in the full time role until after State beat Florida on Jan 1,2000.
Correct, which is why, to get technical, he was hired in the 20th century, since 2000 is the last year of the 20th, not the first year of the 21st.
I was willing to be open minded. I was even sympathetic with stretchgate. Until we couldn't put it in at Illinois, nor defend afterwards. Then Penn State and beavers happened to seal the deal.
Year two was actually the Tate Forcier love fest.
We wish him well because by all accounts he seemed like a decent human being who just didn't work out. I'm not going to curse him and send him bad wishes over a game. It's not like he was some monster out to destroy Michigan football.
We went to a decent bowl game in his third year. Was Lloyd Carr setting the world on fire? Did RichRod lose to App State at home with a senior laden preseason #5 team? Lloyd apologists are even worse. They refuse to accept the fact that this guy actively subverted his successor and created a division within the AD.
So wrong. Lloyd won numerous B1G championships and a national championship, while RR did nothing for Michigan football. I am so sick of all the Lloyd bashing. Yes he had some tough losses, but the guy is a hall of fame coach, has contributed so much to the university on and off the field (e.g., for Mott and the cancer center), and he is an all around good person -- yet he gets disrespected so frequently by clowns like you on this blog. Give it a rest
Subversion. Lloyd committed treason against the program. As much as RR failed and as much as Lloyd succeeded, one of them purposely caused negativity while the other was just not good. Try as he might.
Or maybe he was just pissed that the network of nepotism wasn't getting continued? Either way, making what might not have been a great situation into a worse one instead of providing support is in no way a defensible action.
Bah-Bye, you don't belong here.
If Lloyd had his first wish, DeBord would be at the number one spot instead of RR. Pull your head out of your ass and think clearly.
Subversion. Lloyd committed treason against the program
You make it sound like this is a fact, like the sky being blue. You don't know that it is.
I just hate the ill will on this blog by ass clowns who constantly want to bash RR or say 'fuck him, I hope he fails'. The guy was not some monster who sought to destroy the program or something. It's not like he was in charge of disaster relief and utterly failed cauing loss of life -- the guy sucked at one coaching job. Say "I wish him well going forward but I'm glad he's not Michigan's coach". There's no need to constantly bash the guy. And when he's going to constantly be bashed, yeah people are going to bring up other's actions as a defense to his character. "Michigan men" (whatever that terms means [only thing I hate more than 'fergodssake']) don't act the way Lloyd did just for not getting his way. Tough losses are an understatement.
When the RR haters give it a rest, so will I.
Totally agree. RR is/was an offensive coordinator and nothing more, who happened upon some good luck at WVA to get paired up with decent defensive coordinators. This was all exposed when he came here but no one can deny he tried his best while here. He wanted the same thing we did which was for Michigan to succeed.
I will always root for the man. He tried to help us, he just failed but his intentions were always honorable.
And ass clown Lloyd apologist are just as bad. That NC was because we had Charles Woodson, not Lloyd. Lloyd is why we had Appy St., and he is also the reason we didn't win the NC in 2006 and why Tressel is a fucking legend in cbus...
What are ass clowns? I've never seen clowns jumping around on any ass that I've ever seen. Or are they actually buttcheeks painted with clown paint with an orange nose jammed into the anus? I'm confused.
LIke all coaches, Lloyd Carr had his shortcomings and blind spots. I agree that the program was ossified and sputtering a bit by the end of his tenure.
To say he was a joke and that he didn't have anything to do with the NC in '97 is idiotic, delusional, and profoundly ignorant, and there is a roster of players from that squad that would tell you so to your face.
Given that we've only won one national title in 60 years, are you really going to trash the one and only M coach who won it?
Not to mention that Carr was Gary Moeller's DC and secondary coach, so I'm sure he played a major role in Woodson's recruitment.
The guy was an absolute disgrace in his post-coaching career
Yeah, that whole business of raising millions of dollars for Mott Children's Hospital was downright shameful. Let's ignore all the stuff that we know he did for a fact and focus only on unconfirmed rumors.
I actually think we should wish ill will upon every player who wasn't good while at UM also. I just hate anyone who wasn't successful at Michigan. May they all fail after they leave Michigan
RichRod was a good guy (kept Denard out of the Illinois game when his job was on the line) but was lost without Jeff Casteel and was a poor fit for Michigan.
Lane Kiffin is a total douchebag and failed with top-notch talent.
I agree with Rich Rod. The way Lloyd and his cronies were sabotoging recruiting for Rich was almost comical.
However, the way Rich ignored the defense was inexcuseable.
The thing I don't understand is why he apparently ignored the day-to-day workings of the defense, yet insisted that GERG run the 3-3-5 anyway. His thought processes on the defensive side of the ball just did not make sense.
easy call, RichRod set this program back 5-6 years. Bad, bad, bad hire. still feeling the effects. too big of a moment for him.
He got fired and a year later we won our first BCS bowl in over a decade. And his predecessor has won 77% of his games with mostly the guys he brought in (i.e. is doing better than the guy who was here from '95-'07).
I don't know how we have survived that massive roundhouse to the cock RichRod gave us.
We survived the slow descent into the football-program equivalent of crippling dementia precisely because RR gave us that roundhouse to the cock. And a badly-needed one it was too. Lloyd was a great guy but he was letting the program get so destructively comfortable in its ways that it was getting to be painful to watch. We were at the point where we could usually count on beating Illinois. Yippee. RR lost a lot of games but that was the price to pay to jolt the program out of the apathetic, pizza-snarfing, lazy-shuffling, moving-back-to-Mom's-basement days of the end of the Lloyd era.
I'll never be convinced the program was headed in the right direction in the 36 months or so before Lloyd retired. Rodriguez might not've been successful on the win-loss column but he gave the program a badly-needed swift kick in the ass.
Great fricking post. Right on.
No, I'm not saying that sucking was a necessity. I'm saying that getting rid of the attitude that we'll win because we're Michigan so we don't need to put in the effort - that was a necessity. The losing was not what brought us out of the doldrums. Rich Rod was what did that. Barwis did that. RR and his staff looked around and saw a lot of entitlement and not enough of an effort or buy-in - from the players to the facilities to the admin - to continue to be an elite-level program.
It's possible the losing did even help a little bit - you don't know what you've got til it's gone, etc. But that outsider perspective, coming from someone who knew how to win with less, was exactly what Michigan needed. RR brought in guys who wanted to be at Michigan, not Justin Borens who felt they deserved to be at Michigan. This quality happens to be what makes Hoke so good.
and I'm glad we're past the painful part, and thankful it was only a few years.
That swift kick (and the Hoke hire) has definitely reinvigorated the program and the fan base.
True. I found myself caring a lot more about UM football after App State and Oregon embarrassed us back-to-back how we hadn't been embarrassed in my lifetime. I cared even more when RR arrived with the dream that he'd modernize us and help us to unto others as Dennis Dixon and Oregon had done unto us. Alas it wasn't to be, but I agree - no pain no gain. We're gaining now (assuming Coach Funk kindly removes his head from his ass and manages a way to find competence out of young linemen).
I'll never be convinced the program was headed in the right direction in the 36 months or so before Lloyd retired.
Hang on a minute. Only 12 months before Carr retired, we won 11 games and were three points away from a spot in the national title game. Even in the "horrible" 2007 season, we still won nine games in spite of injuries to Henne and Hart and beat the Heisman Trophy winner in the bowl. There is a lot of revisionism going on here. Yeah, there was one awful game but that's all it was - one game. (And really, it's not like App State was the worst team to ever beat Michigan - they were 2-time defending FCS champs, probably better than a lot of FBS teams.)
Losing to a Toledo team with a losing record that was so bad their coach got fired the year he beat Michigan.
Now THAT was losing to a bad team.
This should be the ass clown thread. Everyone is using that odd term in their post.
and doesn't count here. The "hiring decision" was a great one at the time. The outcome was poor. Richrod would be #1 in bad fits or flops or failures-vs-expectations but if you go back to 2007, everyone thought that RR was an excellent hire or a great "hiring decision"
Or what about Mike Price and his brief stint at Alabama?
George O'Leary was just more of an egg on the face of the athletic director and the man really.
Can't say I disagree wiht most of those, but I think Notre Dame hiring Bob Davie is underrated as a bad hire.
There's also Gerry Faust.
Not having Gerry Faust's hire at ND undermines the quality of the OP list. That was without a doubt one of the worst hires of all time.
Gerry Faust was not hired (at ND) during the 21st century.
That said, he was a terrible hire. A nice, caring guy. But a terrible hire.
I will say, the UM fanbase loves nothing more than bitch about bad things that happened to them years ago. If there is a more self-hating group of fans who just so happen to root for the winningest f'ing program in CFB history, I'd love to meet them.
We were screwed. Not over it.
Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon and Dylon.
The only thing about Rich Rodriguez that was a bad fit at Michigan was that he didn't win.
If he hadn't left his DC back in the holler in West Va, and had managed to field a defense, we'd be enjoying his folksy ways and talking about what a great coach he is.
Sometimes things don't work out as planned, and people fall on their rear ends. But that doesn't make it the worst coaching hire of the 21st Century.
If he won, all else would have been ignored from a fit perspective. That being said, he lost and he did so badly. He is an offensive genius. He is a fool for hiring Greg Robinson. He makes a better decision there and we could have had a good go of it. He deserves a spot on this list. You can debate the slot, but he is on there.
Not just lacking in defense. His special teams were brutal, too.
Other than Gibbons, that hasn't really changed. At least we used a modern punt formation.
Saved us from stuff like this-
At least we run smart fakes now, and know what our players are doing. And don't throw them under the bus when they don't work.
And every bad coaching hire ever, was that they didn't win?
This is a thread about a Pat Forde's twitter poll from 366 of his voters. I mean, whatever man
Lane kiffin should be on the list twice. Tennessee hiring him was a worse idea than usc hiring him.
Read my mind
the article states:
Lane Kiffin (3) at both Tennessee and USC.
Not only was that a dumb hire in hindsight, it was an abysmally stupid hire in foresight, which should vault it right onto the list.
And there should be a separate list for Gerry Faust and Muddy Waters.
Illinois can't afford to be choosy but hiring Ron Zook was always a bizarre move, I thought. He couldn't win at Florida with all the players Steve Spurrier left behind. What made Illinois think he was going to do great things in Champaign?
Not that I didn't love watching him win in Columbus in 2007, but otherwise, nothing to brag about.
maybe they hoped he could recruit well enough and coach decently enough to be a moderate success in the big ten?
to come back to after a pleasant run and evening in general.
Where is "Charlie Weis - Notre Dame?".
I'd expect it to be in the bottom five on that list.
+1 SAD KITTEN
He would definitely make the top 10 for worst contract extension of all time.
Tim Brewster should be up there, why on earth would you fire Glen Mason?
File that one under the same category as "College Football, Minor Programs", subheading, "Michigan State University", keyword "Smith, John L."
Smith seemed like a smart hire at the time, because he had a pretty good resume. He took Louisville to a couple of their conference titles before being hired by MSU, and when he coached Idaho before that, they had a bunch of IAA playoff appearances.
It's hard to understand how he became such a goofball, but there you are.
Under Schnellenberger and really didn't start becoming regularly good at football till John L. got there. Then they went to even greater heights after he left. He was also along with Tiller the wave of guys brining the spread and 3-3-5 type defenses to the Big Ten. Maybe goofy worked at those other places.
Howard Schnellenberger at Oklahoma was quite the disaster.
GERG isn't number 1? Hm. Shocknig to me.
WHAT THE EF
So Yahoo is the new Bleacher Report?
The decision to hire RR was a good one. He was a 20-year coach with the youth to stay at Michigan for 20 years, and one of the pioneers of the modern spread offense. Yes, obviously his teams were tire fires. No, obviously it didn't work out. That was due to a variety of reasons. But the decision itself was a good one.
Just a little wording thing that bugs me.
See, if the question is about worse hiring decision, then I don't think you can put RR on that list at all. The decision wasn't bad, the result was bad. RichRod was one of the hottest coaches in America when we hired him - just a year prior Alabama wanted to hire him OVER SABAN. He had had a ton of success at WVU and had beaten legitimate teams year after year.
Obvisously, it didn't work out, and you can argue that he wasn't a fit "for Michigan" as if our field isn't 100 yards long or something, but if we wouldn't have hired him, the next huge program looking for a coach would have.
Lane, OTOH, has been good exactly never. He was an assitant at USC and an OC for all of two years under one of the greatest HCs in the last decade and with NFL talent galore. No shit USC had a great offense. But he sucked in Oakland, did absolutely nothing of worth at Tennessee and then was given $4 million per year to coach USC. Unless the plan honestly was "ride this asshole out until the sanctions are over" I have to say the Lane Kiffin hire was worse.
God, you're such a RR apologist. Using facts and logic and the unyielding chronological order of time and all. Why can't you just admit that losing to Sparty made me feel bad at my job because my coworkers made fun of me and so that proves that RR was a terrible hire?
point of view.
[Edit: my sarcasm meter is out of whack. Dooh!]
If Sailboat Bill had hired Miles or Schiano or English, RR would simply have gotten the job at some other bigtime program. His relationship with WVU's athletic director Ed Pastilong had gotten extremely toxic, and it was probably just a matter of time before he left Morgantown.
However, if I'm taking out RR from the list, I'd have to substitute RR's own hiring of Robinson as DC. He signed his own death warrant in Ann Arbor with that decision. Still inexplicable to me why a head coach helming the first losing season in 4 decades would hire a guy who had just taken Syracuse to its own worst stretch in its history, esp. since GERG had a major hand in the Orange defense. RR needed in the worst way to hire somebody who didn't have the stink of recent abject failure on him.
forgot about that... The man was asleep at the wheel, it appeared.
where's every ND coach?
Bob Davies maybe?
What's going on Ghost? Has life kicked you in the balls or something?
I guess nobody read the " of the 21st century" part
you missed the part about 21st century.
Did you also miss "worst"?
are the worst and second-worst hirings in the 21st century.
Well OK then. Just don't forget to take your meds.
Mason had Minnesota going 7-5, 8-4ish most years, and making at least semi-respectable bowl games. But that wasn't enough for the powers that be, and the Gophers have been a raging tire fire since.
Worse for who? lol Isn't Charlie still cashing Notre Dame checks?
any speculation on a new home for Kiffin.
Well I am sure he has a nice house in LA but he might move. Probably stays in California but will move out of LA. Oh wait. You meant new home as in job. I don't think anyone will hire him besides one of the networks(espn, FS1) to become a talking boob instead of a coaching boob.
seeing him working for espn covering a Tennessee game.
As an Assistant at his alma mater, Lane will get a chance to pay his dues,. He can reflect on his days as a "wunderkind", support and eventually succeed Tim DeRuyter.
I have three guesses, each more likely than the next:
Detroit Lions - how could the Fords resist a guy like Kiffin?
That lied on his résumé? O'leary. Also mile price at bama was a disaster. Also, there was a guy Pitt hired that got arrested or something and never made it to campus.
I think it's a bigger problem when the guy doesn't even coach a single game.
he famously lied on? What a tool.
This might be a candidate for "Dumbest Post of 2013."
Richrod was looked at as a brilliant hire at the time, a genius on offense who would revitalize Michigan's stagnation. He was a proven coach at multiple levels. Hindsight doesn't count here, the decision was great, the execution was poor
Terrible decisions would be things like
- Lane Kiffin - not proven at any level
- Gerry Faust - high school to ND. Who thought that was a good idea
Specifically, the hiring decisions of defensive coordinators under RR were problematic.
But now that he has his defensive coordinator, his opponents' scoring numbers are not at all what they were at Michigan.
I actually hope that he goes somewhere at Arizona. I think the conditions of his hire there were just much better than the conditions of his hire here. I always root for Arizona when they play now....
Just to be clear, Rich Rodriguez (and for that matter, everyone who has coached at Michigan) has done more to try to make Michigan great than anyone on this board has ever dreamed of doing. I just don't see where the hatred comes from.
to the former players that bless us with their presence from time to time on this board. I do see your point, RR came here with good intent but the cards just didn't play out in his favor.
Most of the former players that frequent here (all of the Pahokee guys) wouldn't be Michigan men if it weren't for RR. Denard wouldn't be, certainly. That's worth something.
Point is, the guy worked his ass off for 3 years for Michigan. It didn't work out. Ultimately that's his responsibility, fine. But a) considering our record in 2005 and 2007, it's pretty absurd to say he "set us back a least 6 years" and b) I see no reason to wish ill on the guy. He's gone now.
Anyway, I hope he does well at Arizona - a successful RR team is really fun to watch, and plus we get to see AZ beat on USC.
The guy got fired when the players he brought in were freshmen and sophomores (and they made up the bulk of the contributors on what was a decimated roster).
If Coach Hoke were to finish this year at 7-5 and get fired after the season (neither of which is going to happen because of the existence on the roster of guys like Gardner, Lewan, Gallon, Fitz, Washington, Ryan, Countess, etc.) , at the same point in his tenure, imagine what an asshole you would sound like if you said "it didn't work out" and acted like he'd had more than enough time to build whatever he was going to build here.
Even if Hoke were to finish 7-5 this season, it wouldn't matter because the fanbase would fall back on the "Brady Hoke is still trying to climb out of the crater that Rich Rod left behind" rationalization. He'd get the pass that nobody was willing to give Rodriguez because the large majority of the Michigan fanbase will judge a guy solely on wins and losses without even considering mitigating circumstances.
There are those who can look at the past decade of Michigan football objectively, with the benefit of hindsight, and see how many people shoulder the blame for it's struggles, and then there are those who will latch onto the easy target and just make Rich Rodriguez the villain for everything.
This argument has been had dozens of times the past 3 years and we never get anywhere with it. We should just drop it.
a big "meh". I supported him at Michigan, and don't hate him by any means, but I will never, never feel sorry for him. I also don't really care when Arizona loses. The street goes both ways, and he made a ton, a ton of money at Michigan. Also, Michigan paid WV and there were NCAA sanction costs. He might have deserved all the money he got, but it's really hard to feel sorry for him.
I think all that's fine, most of the people harping on this issue aren't asking anyone to feel sorry for him. I just get a little offended when people act like he came in here and shit on our pillow or something. The guy is pretty clearly a very good coach who didn't work out here for whatever reason, despite his best efforts. I think that's commendable, and it's certainly more than I can claim to have given to Michigan. No one goes around here saying they hate Bump Elliott and would have rooted against him at another school just becuase he lost a lot of games.
Calm down. RR is no longer the coach of Michigan. He tried; he failed. How would you like to have a client or customer hang your failure over your head 3 years after you had left the job?
Charlie weis at ND followed by Charlie Weis at KU?
the AD since they made the awful hiring decision.
That username is the best username.
I see Howard Schnellenberger upthread, though. He and Blake did a number on Oklahoma in the nineties.
Blake did recruit well though. He brought in most of talent that allowed Stoops to get his national championship.
I think that merits a spot in the top ten.
Edit: if you include the nineties in the 21st century. God I need more coffee.
10. Lane Kiffin - USC
9. Lane Kiffin - USC
8. Lane Kiffin - USC
7. Lane Kiffin - USC
6. Lane Kiffin - USC
5. Lane Kiffin - USC
4. Lane Kiffin - USC
3. Lane Kiffin - USC
2. Lane Kiffin - USC
1. Lane Kiffin - USC
They needed someone gullible enough to take the job during the sanctions and destroy their career. The climb-so-fast-you-can't-see-I-suck Kiffen took the bait, figuring he just might be able to win enough to hang on after his unjustifiable meteoric rise.
USC now has a guy easy to fire - just like they planned for. Kiffen's too fast success finally caught up to him.
In know that John L. Smith was just the interim coach for one season, but holy pants that was a bad hire.
Wondering how the Zooker avoided this list
on two hands the number of people that thought RR was a bad hire. Yahoo sets the bar again.
By the time Rodriguez was fired, I sadly agreed, it needed to happen.
In 2007, I thought he was exactly the right hire. I was thrilled.
I still believe that if he stands up for himself and makes absolutely sure he gets the money to hire Casteel, he would still be coach here.
That said, I love Hoke, and I see Michigan being a top 5 program from 2015 on.
Lane Kiffin should be on there twice.
Guy who coached at Pitt for about ten minutes?
buy Mike Price to Alabama was a ridiculous situation.
Lane Kiffin should easily be on that list twice lucky for him, Dooley was pretty bad and Tennesse fans forgot a little bit i guess.
I'm in the boat with Charlie Weiss being #1 on the list, $19 million buyout for someone who is not even coaching at your school anymore cannot be surpassed.
My two favorite losers in one satirical op-ed piece.
No ND hires of Weiss or Willingham? Come on...Those two were pretty terrible in their own regard.
I can think of 50 hires that everyone knew would be a disaster, then became a disaster. no matter what anyone says the guy improved the wins from yr 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3. didnt work out? Obviously, for a slew of reasons. Disaster? Hardly.
If you are talking about bad decisions being bad at the time that they were made, then RichRod isn't even in the Top 100. That looked like an excellent hire at the time of a guy who had taken a mediocre program to two BCS games in three seasons. There have been many decisions worse than that one.
We truly are spoiled if we think someone who compiled a 122-40 winning % and won a national title belongs on a top ten list of the worst coaching hires in ALL of D-1 football in the past 2 decades.
Just to challenge the "Lloyd subverted Rich" theory as being an absolute, I'd refer people to last year's Hail to the Victors and Craig Ross' piece. It offers another side to the Three and Out coin from an insidery point of view. Worth reading and considering before saying that Carr did everything he could to keep RR from any success.
But Bacon wasn't Rich's?
And he might not be quite as prolific as Bacon, but Ross has written multiple books. Bacon isn't living off his writing income either; he teaches.
If you think a writer is more cautious than a lawyer you probably haven't paid attention to either profession very much. If Bacon was that cautious about his occupation he'd make far fewer mistakes.
The fact that you "break bread" with Bacon's people doesn't help your argument either.
I hate these lists. Hindsight is 20/20, but RR was widely considered to be one of the best--if not THE best--coaches in the sport when he was hired. It was not a bad hire, it was a bad career.
Don't get me wrong--RR deserves the blame for ignoring the defense, failing to connect with Michigan's traditions, alumni, and fans, and for some general douchebaggery. But he worked his butt off and absolutely can coach--look at what he's done already at Arizona.
If the AD had done his job in supporting RR, along with Carr, alums, and the fanbase, he might have been a good hire. But someone needed to make sure that a proper defensive coordinator was hired, work with RR to avoid stupid screw-ups like the NCAA sanctions and some press conference blunders, and to help him forge a lasting relationship with the alums and fans. Didn't happen.
RR's failure was the program's failure, not just his. I wish him success and believe he's a great coach--he's just got shortcomings that neither he nor the AD addressed while he was at Michigan.
Frankly, (glass half full here), I think that RR was good for the program in that his years taught us what it was like to suck at football. The vast majority of our fanbase (e.g. anyone younger than, say, 45) never really knew what it was like to be truly awful at football. The RR years have made us truly appreciate winning, and just how good we usually have it.
Next year you'd learn what it's really like to suck.
All created to trash Carr. Which is more sad?
Since you're obviously 15 years old it couldn't be from memory.
The fact that you get banned over and over but have to keep coming back because of some pathological need to be a dick to everyone else (probably because no one in person will hang out with you anymore so the only people you can antagonize are on the web) is a sad cry for help. Most people would get the idea the first THREE TIMES you aren't liked, respected, or wanted around here. But you can't help yourself, we know, we know...
All these other guys did was lose some football games. Why are they even in the discussion?