December 6th, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^
Stupid of western michigan, not one of those situations where it will pay for itself.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^
I've also heard this. The University doesn't have to worry about balancing the budget in this case. Kalamazoo has a few people with very deep pockets that are enjoying the Broncos' success.
December 6th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
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December 6th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^
the contrary, I think they may see this as a once in a generation opportunity to try to complete with the big boys. I am not saying it will work for sure, but at least they are giving it a go. Western is a relatively big school with a fairly substantial alumni base for a mid-major. I can see them being one of the only teams in the MAC that could sell out on moving up in class and have it work.
December 6th, 2016 at 12:27 PM ^
That's OK, they're allowed to dream. But they have no chance of moving to a Power 5 conference. Ever. If they wanted to, maybe they could move up to a tougher Group of 5 conference. That still seems stupid, would involve giving up all their rivalries with little to gain.
They have a very long way to go to match Boise's success on the field. Boise hasn't gotten any interest from Power conferences since the Big East imploded.
December 6th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^
Boise is also a novelty... a school with community college level academics in an area with far fewer lower tier FBS schools than this part of the country. You can't repeat that here.
December 6th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^
Where would WMU go? Boise at least could possibly fit in the Big 12 or Pac 12. They bring some sort of market with them. Boise's academics are worse, but any conference using that as a criterion would pass on both.
I agree with your point that sustained success at WMU will be much harder to achieve. That alone gives Fleck much more of a reason to move on than Peterson and Harshin.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^
I'll trade Rutgers for WMU and give cash. Totally worth it.
December 6th, 2016 at 2:01 PM ^
I'm not saying Western is going to go anywhere, but that program has sneaky potential. For one, people have brought up the fact that it has a decent alumni base, but they are in a better media market than what people think. They have access to Kalamazoo as well as Grand Rapids markets. That area also produces a good amount of football talent. If they can keep Fleck for a bit, that program might be another Boise State.
December 6th, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^
...will realize they are basically Idaho in a few years.
Idaho is a nice campus, and Moscow is a terrific town, but they just can't compete with the big boys in the West like U-Dub, Wazzu, Colorado, Oregon, OSU, etc.
December 6th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^
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December 6th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^
Alec Gores and his $2.1 billion net worth wouldnt even be the richest person in Kalamazoo, not even the second or third either. There is some serious money in Kalamazoo, and they do an amazing job of investing in the community. Things like the Kalamazoo Promise where kids can go to college for free, and the recent donation of $70million to cover the city's budget deficit and drop property tax rates by about a third.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^
Alec Gores does not live in Kalamazoo.
December 6th, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 1:12 PM ^
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December 6th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 6:44 PM ^
a) You guys are sort of making me want to move to Kalamazoo.
b) If Fleck could lock in a Ferentz-style buyout and Gores/Stryker/et al. are serious about keeping him, it may well be that WMU is the best financial deal on the table by a considerable margin.
c) I agree that WMU is in a tougher spot than Boise, say, for sustained success, for a number of reasons. On the other hand, I wouldn't say it's impossible. Far stranger things have happened.
December 6th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^
...I think that it's really cool that people at the billionaire level are reinvesting in K-zoo. I think that the United States would have fewer issues if attitudes like this were more widespread, but that's just me.
December 6th, 2016 at 5:36 PM ^
yanked because the big money starts going to WMU program & Fleck.
It's been a fear from those in the know in the area. I don't agree with it but there's a fear that people getting football crazy pulls long-term investment from things like KP.
December 6th, 2016 at 6:29 PM ^
I think this is probably a semi-valid worry. WMU is really trying to punch with the bigger boys, establishing the medical school and following the MSU playbook to acquire a law school as well. This kind of investment does not come cheap and K-zoo has a small donor base as it is.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^
He's headed to Cinci... book it.
I don't buy the Oregon rumors.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^
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December 6th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^
ever butch jones goes, so does marcus ray... ;)
December 6th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
They did bring JJ Watt and Antonio Brown to CMU.. there would be worse choices.
December 6th, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
Didn't even get an interview at Oregon. I believe his choices will be another non-Power 5 school or to stay at Western.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^
He interviewed with Oregon yesterday.
December 6th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^
My source says no and backed up by columnist John Canzano: "Fleck did not receive a formal interview Monday."
December 6th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^
then his agent got said Western is going to offer $30 mil for 10 years. Then the same agent leaked that to spread around the internet.
My sarcastic point is silly season has started - believe what happened when it is over. Until then it's all speculation and misdirection.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^
True, but we still gotta talk about it, right?
December 6th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
but just realistically recognize it as bloviating.
i.e., yes he did / no he didn't is very gray in these situations.
December 6th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^
Of course, basically just repeating what I'm being told by someone close to Fleck. But there definitely could be semantics and/or posturing going on.
December 6th, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^
Key word being "formal".
December 6th, 2016 at 12:55 PM ^
So he wore an open collared shirt and his G-ROW warmup?
December 6th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^
the rumor I keep hearing is that they had a conversation informally in which PJ indicated he intended to coach in the Cotton Bowl and that was all Oregon needed to hear to decide they weren't interested in pursuing things further.
December 6th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
IS Cinci a better job? Think he is in a great situation where he can wait and grap a power 5 position next year ...
December 6th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^
Yes.
We may not see it that way, but the CFPC clearly does hence Navy nearly making it in over WMU. They even kept a one loss Boise State above Western all season. The MAC is not held in any esteem whatsoever. At Cincinnati if you upset someone big aand win a bunch of games, they put you in the top 5 like they did with Houston. The best coaches in the MAC go places like NC State, Iowa State and Syracuse. The best coaches in the AAC go places like Texas, Baylor and Oregon. No comparison, really.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^
I recall a pretty good coach coming to Michigan from Miami, OH.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:42 PM ^
almost 50 years ago, sure. Now you have guys like Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly ditching the MAC after a couple of years for better lower tier jobs. The prestige just isn't there to be able to move up directly from the MAC to something better than a Purdue level school.
December 6th, 2016 at 3:23 PM ^
December 6th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^
Now, I haven't looked at WMU's athletics budget, but I can't imagine this is something that makes any kind of economic sense.
December 6th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^
How clueless do you have to be to think all that money would be coming from WMU's athletic budget?
December 6th, 2016 at 11:31 AM ^