What do you guys think about the Lions using one of their 7th rounders to grab Warren? It seems to me that it would be a great value pick even with the Lions already taking a DB in this draft...
OT: Warren worthy of a 7th rounder?
Still can't believe he's fallen this far.
Hopefully he is. It'd be embarrassing not to get drafted.
Heck even Adrian Arrington was drafted when he left early.
Yeah. Just imagine our corners if he had stayed. T-Wolf and Warren would have been awesome. I think he might be regreting it right now. Even if he came back and just played ok, I doubt he would fall this far.
I am still surprised that Greg Matthews has not been given any love. He is 6'3" 209lbs and he has proven the ability to go up and get the ball in traffic and get his feet down. With that size and decent speed I would have thought he would be worth a pick in the late rounds.
i think he's a good value for whoever takes him at this point.
Is there something against Detroit trading their pick to Michigan, so we can draft him back here for another year?
We're not USC, we can't have a draft.
They focus on nabbing high priced free agents.
I'm hoping the Pack take him with their next pick. He could learn from the best Michigan DB ever, Woodson. Being from Michigan, Woodson might have more of an interest in teaching him.
Edit: Fail. Guess the Packers don't listen to my opinion. =(
If there's one thing that would be awful for Warren, it would be coming to the Lions. I think he needs a totally fresh start. You don't perform like he did at the Combine without having some mental issues going on, maybe hanging with a crowd that left him, shall we say, unfocused.
Green Bay sounds good; it got Woodson's head on straight.
Or Woodson got healthy...
Did people forget to write his name on their draft boards? I get that he probably shouldn't have come out early but I can't see how he doesn't get picked ahead of some of the clowns that are coming off the board. Are there character/off-field issues we don't know much about that are preventing him from being picked? His resume and draft grade look a hell of a lot better than any of the six corners that just went in the 5th round.
I think at this point we have to take character issues into consideration, because he's obviously got some more talent than some of the people drafted ahead of him.
By "character" I don't mean "bad human being," but I think focus might be a concern.
No - it was the combine. He bombed, hard. That OT from Maryland ran the same 40 as him, and I'm not even exagerrating.
Ernest Shazor is having some flashbacks right about now.
I'm not sure it would help for him to be drafted by the Lions (local pressure and all), but I do think he deserves to be drafted at some point. He played well when he wasn't injured, and while he might not be a shut-down corner, he certainly showed he could stay with some top WRs in the Big 10. If nothing else, he'd work as a nickel and dime CB.
I think someone will take him before the day is done.
He really should have came back for his senior season, but you live you learn and then you get loves.
On SI they have him as the 75th best player remaining in the draft..so should be close if they are right...
He's still on the board, and the dudes a freakin Rhodes scholar. I know he hasn't player in a year but he's worth a 7th round pick
He is, but his "draft grade" is much lower than Warren. I'm hoping the Texans get him in the 7th. We need a safety. Only position need we haven't addressed.
Considering everyone knows his aspirations to succeed in something other than football (neurosurgery), teams are less likely to pick him knowing that football isn't 100% his life and dreams. Intelligence plays a huge role as a safety, which benefits Rolle, but there are a lot of other concerns that are important to NFL GM's as well.
If the Lions pick him up at #255. Mr Irrelevant FTW.
He hired an agent. No way he comes back.
A sixth or seventh round pick is pretty much destined for special teams and a backup role, forever.
Also means your NFL career will probably be no more than four or five years, as other sixth and seventh rounders come into the league to take your roster spot at a cheaper price.
Damn, we really could have used you this season, Donovan. Best of luck to you, brother, wherever you land.
Yeah just look at Tom Brady. 6th and 7th round picks hardly get to see the field.
Out of 70-80 or so a year, every year. His point stands, they hardly ever see the field.
Beat me to it. +1
Check out this link and it will give you a few more. Terrell Davis 6th, Bo Jackson 7th, Shannon Sharp 7th, Donald Driver 7th, Alot of great players undrafted too. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-alltimedraftteam042210
this percentage is very small. what's your point?
I don't know. Could be that his point about being drafted late means he will never see the field is wrong. I think that is proven wrong about every single year.
picks hardly see the field. This is not exactly a false statement. Providing examples of ones that do is not proof against the assertion that most 6th and 7th round picks don't play much.
I'm not arguing percentages. I'm just saying that just because someone is a late pick or undrafted meaning he is destined for special teams or will hardly see the field is not true. I know early round picks have more success by percentage.
for that, but I am saying it is a likely destination for a 6th or 7th rounder. It's the most likely thing that will happen to someone being taken this late.
And that view is right. anyone picked in the final 2 rounds of the draft is probably not going to see any type of consistent playing time. Yeah, there are a few that do, but rarely more than 1 a draft.
There are 86 picks in the final 2 rounds of this years draft, I assume thats about usual for a draft, it probably varies due to the compensation picks per year. Even if 1 or 2 make it, that is still 84-85 players that don't. It is much more likely any late pick will end up as a non factor than as a player who sees regular time on the field.
Hold off on the negging for a second everyone. Fist of all, yes 6th rounders and later usually are labeled as a roster filler or such. However, there are plenty of exceptions to this as well. Also this point seems to have been lost, but this is one of the DEEPEST Dafts ever and a there is a lot of talent. Thus, the level of talent will fade more slowly and better players will still be around in the later rounds.
Plus, a lot of teams are taking needs over available talent on the board pushing better players back.
Agreed. This isn't any different than the argument over 5*s vs 3*s. 5*s and draft picks in round 1-2 or maybe ever 3 are much more likely to succeed than 3*s and late round/undrafted players. By percentage, I would venture 2x or 3x times more likely.
I'm curious. You would obviously expect to see players drafted in the higher rounds to have longer and better careers, but how much more likely are they?
IIRC he was also the number one pick of the Bucs put said "screw you guys Imma play baseball"
don't count out Maruqes Colston, who was possibly the most influential WR the Saints have had in the past decade
That's not a very good argument. One example out of very few total does not mean success across the board. Everything here is gambling on slim odds.
but I truly hope Donovan becomes one of those players who proves the evaluators wrong. While we may have watched him through maize-colored glasses during his time here, his play on the field was universally recognized by the media and coaching staffs of the Big Ten as one of our strengths, and I believe his play on the field reflected that.
The NFL draft has become so scientific that the intangibles that translate to performance on the field do not have the value that they once did.
The Donovan Warren I saw on the field is a Player and once he gets into camp the NFL team that is fortunate enough to have him will recognize that right away.
It was signing an agent. If not for that, if round 7 comes and goes and he isn't drafted, he could still come back, and try again next year. Couldn't do any worse than undrafted.
But I'm still holding out hope for a late pick-up.
That's not true. He had until a certain date to decide if he wanted to enter the draft. Once that date passed and he decided to enter, it was too late. It wouldn't have mattered even if he didn't hire an agent.
Three CBs that nobody's heard of taken in a row in the bottom half of Round 6 and Warren is still on the board. Tough day for the young man. 27 CBs have now been drafted.
2 of them weren't bad college players. I don't know much about the third. I think Warren is the highest rated "draft grade" left on the board.
Correction, 2nd behind Pitt TE Dorin Dickerson.
I posted about this when he announced he was leaving. Between injuries and no bowl games last 2 years, he didn't have as much chance to show against elite competition as scouts would like, so he really had to impress people at the Combine. Didn't happen, apparently. Tough call to make when you're 21, changes the whole direction of your life ...
i am shocked to see soooo many CB's picked before DWarren. Why? Was he so grossly mis-lead by people when he was considering leaving early for the NFL? Right now I imagine he is strongly second-guessing leaving.
I am trying hard not to dwell on what could have been at UM with T-Wolf and DWarren, but damn damn damn.
Back to my original question, must he have been grossly mis-lead? What round was he thinking he could have gone when he made his decision, and who in the hell made him believe that. This smells bad.
(edit): smells bad, like freep-bad. i'm not sayin', i'm just sayin. is there any limit to what factions can pull off? i'm beginning to think not....
He didn't even wait to get a free report from the advisory board before declaring. Or maybe I should rephrase it as: DW misled himself.
Sad. I like him. Going for your dream (playing in the NFL) can cloud one's own judgment. That's why it's best to have someone else give you advice (e.g., advisory board)
there could have easily been people around him misleading him... free advisory report or not, he could have been mislead by others.... that's all i'm saying. i do agree with you the dream of the NFL could have severely clouded his judgement.
Yeah, Jordan Pugh just got selected. I've watched the entire careers of both Pugh and Warren. Warren has significantly more upside than Pugh. Another data point in favor of off the field stuff.
Pugh also has a ton of upside. Unfortunately he was victim to some horrible DB coaching and position changes
Agree about the coaching and position changes. And to be fair, Pugh was hung out to dry a lot by the general weakness of the Aggie defense the last three or so years.
I really like Pugh as a sixth rounder. He's a high effort guy who will be a good special teams guy and can be a backup for two different positions (CB/S). I can't see him as a starter in the NFL though.
On the other hand, I still think that Warren has the raw talent to be at least an average starter in the NFL. It's looking increasingly unlikely that ever will happen. I'd love to see someone like the Patriots take a chance on him.
And definitely, GigEm!
With Rolle off the board, I almost hope the Texans take Warren. I haven't been huge on Warren as a NFL CB. He's got potential, but the mental side I've had questions about. We've already got another CB, so he wouldn't be bad to take a card on in the 7th for depth options.
There is no reason that the Lions shouldn't draft Warren. Except, of course, that they are the Lions. If he can't see the field on that team, he made the wrong decision to leave early.
he has not been drafted yet means he made the wrong decision.
So if the Lions don't take him then they are stupid and being the typical Lions? What about every other team that has passed on him?
Yes - the Lions are stupid not to take him, especially with their clear need in the defensive backfield. Hell, they picked Speivey in Round 3 with the clear intent for him to only contribute on special teams initially and "compete" for playing time on defense. I would think that Warren can at least to that. I can't speak for others since I don't really follow other NFL teams.
I think that Donovan would make a solid NFL player. Without a DOUBT he's good enough for the Lions pathetic roster.
Not sure why this is being negged.
1) It's positive on Warren
2) It's honest about the Lions
Maybe y'all are just miffed that DW won't be in a UM uniform in the Fall. I sure wish he was going to be...
Because your rant is completely stupid. Warren was extremely slow at the combine and the only reason you're saying any of this is because you're a homer.
1) What rant? I posted an opinion and supported it with a few words.
2) All I was saying is that Warren can contribute to the Lions. You don't agree?
Which way do you want it? Am I stupid for not agreeing with the draft strategy of Detroit? Pardon me for being cynical after 34 years of fandom of that franchise.
I'm stupid for thinking that Warren is a good player? You wouldn't want him on the UM squad for this Fall? Are you dismissing him as a player because of a slow 40 time at the combine? What about all the quality football he played for UM this past year? What about all the crying/hoping/wishing on this blog for him to return to UM for his Senior year? Is everyone who called for him to stay at UM stupid now?
I'm a homer because I want a kid from UM - who happens to be a good football player, by the way - to get a shot at the NFL? Well, excuse me for wishing well to those from my alma mater. I guess that's a good reason to neg a post.
Dang, their nickel back just got drafted...ahead of Warren. I hate Alabama and Saban, but Saban does know how to develop DBs
That's because Saban himself is a DB.
really just get drafted ahead of DW?
They played against the same talent and Warren played much better. Warren is a 1st or 2nd team all-big ten and the other guy is an honorable mention who has 2 career picks, and had 6 pass break ups last year.
Warren had four picks last year and 11 pass break ups. When one kid plays better against the same teams, I would pick him. The logic of so many teams putting so much into a 40 time is so stupid
Jeremy Ware from MSU before Warren? Seriously Raiders?
Somehow I wish manny harris was watching today and could see what can happen, when you go for your dream a little too early..I hope he comes back and improves..
One school of thought is that when you get into the 7th round you are arguably better off as an undrafted free agent. The money isn't that different and you have some say in where you go.
I believe the free agents get something upfront, and the 7th round bonus isn't that much. It really is a case of being able to pick the team you think you have the best chance with. The most important thing by far is being able to stick on a roster and making the league minimum as a roster player, and the chance to practice and improve.
Some draft picks are never even signed by teams that drafted them because once they get to camp, the team realizes that they made a mistake. Some FAs get better contracts than 7th rounders.
So, yes, because getting drafted does not necessarily ensure money, it's probably better to be a FA than a 7th round pick
Lions trade pick to Iggles. Could BG and DW play together again?
When you can say Morgan Trent got drafted but Donovan Warren did not.
I'm still thinking you see Warren to the Texans.
We'll have to hold out for the Lions with the last pick in the draft!
Is that 6 TEs drafted in the past 2 years for the Texans??
Something like that. With Owen Daniels going down mid season, and the uncertainty in whether or not we'll resign him, they're taking their chances I guess. I don't understand it, but it should make for some good banter when I go back to work in August.
32 CBs drafted now. Warren the top remaining CB according to ESPN.
Only 30 picks to go. 3 CBs in a row have been taken. Someone has to take him. ESPN does have him as the best corner remaining and Minor as the #4 RB. I'm surprised that Blair White hasn't been picked yet too.
This is a tweet i thought was funny from the Senior Writer at yahoo sports...Ohio State has had 1 player drafted. Crazy. & whoever advised Michigan cornerback Donovan Warren to go pro is an utter idiot.
Texans pass on him. Bengals and Redskins won't take him, so he's not going in the next couple picks. Hopefully the Packers take him at 230.
Man, there's a guy who fell harder than DW. Rams got a steal
maybe they take him, their CB depth was so bad they had to play 56 year old Ty Law.
go with Jamie Kirlew from IU - nice pick this late.
Whoever was giving him advice needs to have his ass kicked. The dude leaves early in what appears to be the deepest draft for CB's in recent memory.
CB help - but they say we'll rather have a TE with 11 catches.
The shear volume of TE picks in this draft is hilarious.
either got a TE, a DT or both.
the Lions trade with the eagles got them a 6th rounder next year.
Warren still could be Mr. Irrelevant, the Lions can't trade that pick.
Now I would rather see him not get drafted and go find a team that fits his talents as a free agent. Just a theory..... could his jump this year have something to do with his not totally buying into RR and the new defensive system? Discus...
RR was definitely the reason Warren disappointed at the combine.
Damn RR for making Warren run slow!
but what is this "compensatory selection" business for picks 32 - 48 in the 7th round?
if you lose a player to free agency you get a crappy pick in return.
Geeez....so is the consensus that it's just his 40 time that killed him? Was he out of shape or something? Injured?
goes to the Saints.
Drew Brees better be looking over his shoulder.
if he hadn't KTFO'd that dude he would have been a second rounder.
Oakland has a pick left, wouldn't shock me if they too him.
I could have seen the Steelers taking him if not for their need to focus on character guys after the big ben fiasco.
half of this board needs to realize DW didn't lock down anyone this last year, Golden Tate and Michael Floyd ran wild as well as many other WR, with his poor combine he didn't help the argument that our horrible defense made it too difficult for him..Hes not the elite CB we want him to be
I think Cissoko can take quite a bit of the blame for the ND game. Your point is valid though.
Tate and Floyd ran wild on everyone.
Warren is not elite - but he was invited to the combine, I'd venture that the vast majority of combine invitees get drafted
He's going to be drafted by the Steelers right here.
Edit:Just Kidding I meant to say Doug Worthington was going to be drafted by the Steelers.
You really don't want to be one of these last picks - better to be a free agent. It gives one team your rights without much compensation. Let Warren go undrafted and try and pick someplace he is comfortable and may have a chance.
If raw speed is the issue and he can't improve on that somehow (e.g. if he was just not in shape when clocked) he is going to have a problem and probably made a mistake coming out this year.
This is turning into a less-funny version of http://www.theonion.com/articles/longstanding-leaguewide-practical-joke-...
Maybe he'll add DW to Ann Arbor East
3 of the next 4 picks - good chance here, Pats secondary has been shaky as of late.
I didn't realize they had 12 picks in this draft! Good god man!
Ray Fisher, Indiana CB to the Colts.
And Robert McClain, CB, UCONN to the Panthers.
Don't know the specifics but there is obviously some kind of major mark against DW. Could as simple as a lack of speed combined with lack of production - doesn't add up to much good. Too bad he can't rescind his draft status and come back.
Ray Fisher over Donovan Warren? That's insane.
On one hand, we have DW who seems to have made a horrible decision to leave early, and on the other we have Taylor Mays who seems to have made a bad decision to stay.
to the Pats - watch out Bryan Hoyer!
I feel real bad for DW right now, whoever advised him to go pro needs to get his ass beat.
Dw needs to lissten to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthPhGELjDc
Yeah, but how could Warren think he would get drafted high? I thought I read something where he was talking about being drafted by the second round. No one though he'd drop this far and probably not get drafted, but no one thought he'd be any higher than a 3rd. And then he had a bad combine. So he really didn't have any chance of going until the 5th, and now he's free falling. There must be something else going on.
5 picks to go. Hopefully Detroit takes him.
Stevie Brown, Oakland Raiders.
To the RAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIDUHS!!!!!!
did stevie brown really just get picked over donovan??
Al Davis is in love with speed
Alright. glad to see him get drafted. Even if it was by the Raiders
Even he goes before Warren. Crazy stuff!
Woot! stevey B goes to oakland!
Wow, congrats to Stevie
Stevie Fucking Brown! Holy Shit. Who'd think he'd go in front of Warren.
Buckeyes are killing it in round 7.
but blair white ahead of him? really?
I think it's safe to say that some serious red flags (e.g., character, injury, something else?) must have been raised about DW*.
He didn't play like a Joe Haden, but he certainly has the talent to be one of the top 10 CBs in the draft. Something must have come out that made teams avoid him like the plague.
*Please don't interpret this as me ripping him. I like DW. Just stating the obvious.
Mr Irrelveant is Dwarren's only hope.
happen if you didn't make the last pick within the allotted time?
Is the pick just completely forfeited?
I'm pretty sure they have to push you behind the next pick, so that would be 2011's #1.
Who the fuck
and they're all booing him
and it's still on national tv
5'10" WR out of Weber St. instead of five-star in-state CB Donovan Warren!
I'm really sorry that this happened to Donovan. He was an excellent corner for us, and I wish things had worked out better for him. Hopefully he can catch on somewhere and still do the Michigan name proud.
Sorry Donovan. Apart from the fact that you left early, I really, really liked you.
OTOH, I wonder if this is going to keep guys in the program longer. You know they're all gonna be talking about it.
This was a terrible decision by DW, and I hope that he can catch on with a practice squad. Given the Lions' need at the position and their three picks in the last round, that speaks volumes about what NFL scouts think about him. When Stevie Brown went in the 7th round, DW must have thrown something at the TV.
I guess the only thing that is a positive is that Warren can pick which camp he wants to compete at.
I guess not. I feel terrible for him. I'm sure he wishes he could turn back the clock and stay in school. I hope he can latch on somewhere and have a good career.
It shows what the combine does.
Compare Warren to Trent - Warren was a better player on the field for Michigan. Then Trent ran a fast 40, rocked the cones, and was the strongest CB at the combine. The Bengals saw all that athletic ability, figure he was coached like shit, and drafted him...and he was a productive rookie.
Warren shows up, runs the same time as the offensive tackle from Maryland, and...POOF.
Fuck Warren....he bailed on us when we needed him most. The day he declared to be going I told my friend I hope he doesn't get drafted....today the middle finger goes back to him.
die in a fire.
You're one sick son of a bitch. So when someone says something crazy it's cool to wish death upon them? "Die in a fire". Didn't that happen recently in Ann Arbor? You should be banned for such an asinine comment like that.
I think he obviously meant that hyperbolically. It's all about context. Of course, if you want to see how the board typically reacts when someone posts something like that without context, just go write a bunch of hate-speech "die" responses in a bunch of other threads, and you'll see a ban-hammer pretty quick.
Oh wait, you've done that already.
So you know!
The fact that your blood is blue means you suffer from a lack of oxygen in your blood. This also explains the brain damage.
HE SHOULD'VE STAYED AT MICHIGAN, JUST FOR YOU.
I'm almost positive that is a white guy with dreads. I'm sold. He's got so much natural athleticism, but obviously also enormous amounts of grit. He has explosive speed, but it is also deceptively quick.
not leave early. WILL BE CHAMPIONS.
What was Brandon Graham champion of?
why do you feel the need to make this 'point' in every thread? stop being a dink.
And if he went un-drafted after 3 solid years at Michigan, I don't know how much it would have helped him to stay an extra year.
He'd at least have a degree.
whenever he wants for his degree.
BG was a draft champion.....Going in the first round....I consider that a pretty big achievement.
THE CHAMPIONS OF.....
hey after the last couple years....ill take champions of ...the draft.
without getting more feedback on his draft position but why hire an agent and preclude your chance for returning? I guess he really didn't want to play for UM anymore which is his choice but you have to wonder about the wisdom of that choice.
I bet Warren is kicking himself now since he didn't get drafted...I think he would have had a much better draft next year. Now its time for used car sales.