OT: Verdict reached in Sandusky trial.. waiting to hear the verdict
UPDATE: GUILTY ON 45 OF 48 COUNTS
Beat me to the punch.
I was this close to making an ass out of myself. Again. For about the 14,000th time here.
Guilty. Rot in hell scumbag.
442 years in prison... sounds about right for rotting.
To honor JoPa
And ESPNews is talking about who is going to play Josh Hamilton in a movie.
I posted this on another site, but I'll share it here.
CNN is showing the podium outside the courtroom where the announcement of the verdict is going to be made. That does not look too safe or secure, given the crowd.
thanks for passing along. sounds like the judge issued a memorandum in which no media outlet is allowed to announce the verdict (from the courtroom at least).
It is amazing to me that Sandusky seems to be more or less unaware that he has not only left a trail of personal destruction in a community and with his victims and their families, but on what is comparatively a minor note, that he may very well have decimated the football program he so loyally served for many years on many levels. The amount of direct and collateral damage is probably unfathomable.
He exacerbated the destruction of the legacy of his immediate superior, though Paterno failed himself, his school and his own community as well, in my estimation. Jerry Sandusky was aided, it seems, by an atmosphere of complicity, so there was a failure of humanity among the decision-makers at Penn State, and all to preserve the reputation of a program. Whatever the sentence, he's done more damage to his own community than the most powerful ICBM, in my opinion.
EDIT: New York Times and MSNBC reporting that Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts and has been placed into custody. He is going to prison, never to be seen in public again. Good.
on a Friday (drinking) night, by a roaring patio fire.
My beer-fueled take is: rot in hell you motherfucker Sandusky. Hope you die cold and alone, and somehow you feel the pain you've inflicted. Fuck you, Fuck Penn State.
Roaring patio fire? That's sounds pretty dangerous. I just popped in from my giant garage fire to see if there was anything going on...
It would take me 2 days to write a post as thorough and excellent as LSAClassOf2000 wrote. On the other hand, you very accurately described my feelings in a succinct nutshell.
I hope he dies slowly and painfully.
Jerry Sandusky found guilty on 46 of 48 counts of sexual molestation. Stood mostly motionless, left hand in pocket, as verdict read
Per Anderson Cooper, CNN:
25 felonies, 14 1st degree.
442 years max sentence.
guilty on 45 of 48 counts
Sandusky in custody.
Glad he's gone forever. All those complicit in this tragedy should just disappear into a massive sinkhole, never to be seen again.
The victims' lives are irreparably damaged. At least Sandusky will not abuse more children.
when does sentencing occur? immediately (monday-ish) or like a week or weeks from now?
Within 90 days, per CNN.
However, it is important to note that Sandusky could serve as little as 60 years. And his sentences could be served concurrently.
Not that this is going to happen. He will be locked up forever, and the world is a safer place for it.
Well, he's 68 years old. 60 years would certainly run out the clock for him.
Concurrently, meaning that his sentences could be served all together. So if the longest prison term he is granted is 10 years, and all of his sentences are served concurrently, then he would walk out after 10 years.
I have no expectation that this will happen in the least, but I do raise it as a possibility.
He's going to die in prison... whether it's 60 years or 442 years.
I would actually be a little surprised if he lasted more than 6 months. I understand that he will be protected to some degree, but I think he's going to be a lightning rod for "accidents."
I'm envisioning something along the lines of the demise of Jeffrey Dahmer in the showers with a broomstick
60 years is still thankfully a life sentence for Jerry Sandusky
He should be sentenced to an immediate lethal injection, or burned at the stake.
How about being tortured with razor wire and have limbs amputated with hedge clippers?
Broadcast it on tv.
why am I paying for this scumbag to live (and receive medical care) for the next X years, when he will never be free (even if you assume he is 100% reformed)? It doesn't make sense.
Trying to not get political, but I believe studies have shown that the death penalty is often MORE expensive for taxpayers than life in prison.
While that's true, it's only true because in our system people sit on death row for decades and we have to pay all of their legal expenses incurred during this time. Also feed them and all that nice stuff.
I don't think this is political, but when a guy is found guilty (after 1 or 2 appeals), what is the point of a life sentance vs. death?
I would gladly pay the tax and medical bills to keep this scumbag healthy and alive for as long as humanily possible so he can rot in jail.
Death is a far to easy way out for him.
Agreed. Prisoners have a special liking for pedophiles. Time to be someone's old bitch, Sandusky. I doubt he last five years on this side of the soil.
he is Medicare eligible, he was getting a state pension - probably still will - and he was probably even getting some benefits from tax payer funded psu.
you'll now be paying for his food and a place to live though he won't be eating lobster thermador where he is going.
Social Security doesn't allow you to collect benefits while in prison, and I imagine most state pension plans have similar restrictions, although I've never checked. Even if he does keep collecting while in jail, the coming civil lawsuits are going to make sure he doesn't get to spend it.
Piece of shit.
Thank god... It is not a time for wit, or humor. But the world is a better place now. Hopefully these young men can get some closure from this truely horrific story.
Thank GOD! I was a little worried that the jury was taking 2 full days to come up with the verdict.
They did kinda have to go through 48 charges. Even if it only takes 20 minutes per charge it's 16 hours worth of deliberation. My concern was that all the charges that had victims had no witnesses, and all the charges that had witnesses had no victims.
That should take a long, long time. I'm frankly shocked they got it done before the weekend.
Enjoy rotting in prison and hell you piece of shit, Sandusky. I hope hitler takes a big piss all over your soul.
Still think the US should have the death penalty in all 50 states but I guess I don't mind these wastes if life rotting in jail forever.
This is one criminal that better not be coddled.
Death penatly takes too long and costs too much money. For capitol offenses and the like, lifetime solitary seems to be a better idea. Just need to streamline the prisons and fix the CJS such that the overcrowding is significantly reduced. In a lifetime solitary situation, costs could be significantly reduced if done right.
His defense attorney:
"He's always been a model citizen, except for this charges..."
"But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
"The acting was wonderful. But I'm afraid Mr. Lincoln was bored, and now he's come down with a terrible headache."
"I've got the worst fucking attorneys"
Hahaha... Gosh, his attorneys were really top notch, honestly they did the best job they could defending this monster, I wouldn't have been able to.
He's a defense attorney.
Edit: he's now getting heckled for insinuating Sandusky is innocent. He's a defense attorney.
Every defense attorney I know says the same thing, or some variation thereof, about almost all of their clients.
I could try to sensibly react to this news like some of you, but as far as I'm concerned all he deserves is a 12 gauge to the face off a plank in the Atlantic and a big Fuck You.
Im all seriousness, I'm amazed he hasn't eaten a shotgun yet.
I was surprised as well that this didn't happen, as he destroyed many lives directly and many more indirectly. But, he is a sociopath, so the immense pain he inflicted probably doesn't register with him as a human being.
he's only vaguely aware that he did something wrong. Psychology of such people is they think they're loving needy kids. Personally, I'm glad he's being put away, but I'm just as mad at those who DID know better who sat on their hands. F them, too.
This is kind of verdict that makes me feel the world isn't as bad as I originally thought. Hope this helps the victims feel some sort of relief.
flamebaiting this thread - fuck you too.
Listening to Sandusky's defense attorneys. Tops don't spin this much.
List of charges and corresponding verdicts:
From Amendola, paraphrasing:
"The judge was marvelous, the prosecution did a great job, but we're going to appeal"
Interesting to hear that the threat of his step-son being brought in as a rebuttal witness for the prosecution is the only reason Sandusky didn't testify on his own behalf.
Graham Spanier and the rest are next.
Too bad he wasn't tried here. He'd be going to face the ultimate judge soon.
as "phil coke's brain" tweeted, "at least the Longest Yard will have a defensive coordinator!"
Goodbye Jerry. It will take a long time to wash this stain out.
Am I the only one bothered by the mood of the audience. I'm happy with the outcome but this seems like a time to reflect rather than celebrate. These people are giddy.
Depends on who is in the audience. I'd probably be thrilled if I was or had a direct relationship to one of the victims.
I was surprised they didn't boo Amendola more.
Root in hell for who? The Sun Devils? The Demon Deacons?
Forgive me for being ignorant, as the I just don't know anything about the legal system, but can someone clarify what the difference between a life sentence is and sentencing someone for a very long time, like 442 years in this case?
A life sentence is a specific penalty, while these penalties are cumulative (i.e. 48 maximum 10 year sentences = 48 x 10 = 480 years). If he had three first-degree murder convictions, he could have been sentenced to three life sentences.
In practice, a theoretical maximum like this is rarely handed out. Much of the time will be served concurrently, which means he's effectively serving multiple sentenced punishments at the same time. Regardless, he'll die as an inmate somewhere.
Forgive my ignorance but doesn't "life" mean different things in different states? As in it's only 25 years in some areas?
Sentences with big-ass numbers are the result of multiple guilty verdicts like this case. You can't sentence someone to 442 years by finding them guilty on one charge, but you can sentence them to life if the crime is serious enough.
That makes a lot more sense. Thanks fellas.
Here is the complete breakdown of charges and verdicts.
Ummm....I posted that link on the first page.
Is a trainwreck. I think he just breached attorney/client confidentiality.
How ironic if he gets 409 years instead of max 442???
Don't drop the soap.
He's the type of dude who would "drop the soap"
I'm thankful for some form of justice. But there are only losers in this situation. The victims will still suffer, Sandusky's family will suffer, and a community will grieve for years in one way or another. Eventually, I believe a higher power will grant Sandusky his true sentence.
If his family continued to fight for him, then I don't have any problem with them suffering. If it was my Dad, I would never have supported him during this case. They just brought on more pain and suffering for the victims.
After the verdict was read, Joe Amendola (possibly unknowingly) asks if he is talking to someone cute live on CNN. The part is found within the first 30 seconds or so. I am dumbfounded by his thought process.
P.S. Link below. I don't know how to embed.
Unreal. His client was found guilty on 45 counts, and he's appealing - and that's his reaction?
Wow. As others have tweeted, Amendola really is a real life Barry Zuckercorn.
Kinda fitting that he's Sandusky's lawyer.
I guess in 1996, Amedola (who was 49 at the time) ended up getting a 16 year old girl pregnant.
OH HAPPY DAY
get this creep off my planet
Sandusky wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot stick
With a stick either.....at least not a ten foot one, if you get my drift.
Can anybody explain to me how he's acquitted of involuntary sexual intercourse with the only victim that a 3rd party actually witnessed? McQuary described it pretty defintively, yet they acquitted on that count?
Yes, 45 of 48 isn't good enough in my mind.
My guess would be that the jury didn't find McQuery to be a credible witness. The fact that the jury asked to hear his testimony and the testimony of Dranov (was that his name?), who McQuery had supposedly told a different story to, would seem to support that.
They never found the boy directly involved, so he wasn't there to testify, and I don't believe McQary saw intercourse; he heard what sounded to him like sexual intercourse, so I don't really have a problem with the jury's decision on this one. To me, it shows they did carefully consider the evidence. And they did find him guilty on one or two other counts related to this incident.
Edit: He was found guilty on more than two counts involving the assault McQeary witnessed.
In reviewing the comments on the trial, it does seem that McQueary witnessed more than I initially thought, but either McQueary didn't keep his story straight through the years, or someone else has done a good job of muddying the waters and making is seem as though his accounts were inconsistant. This may also play an important role in trials against the AD and president, because everything hinges upon what McQueary told them and how believable McQuary is.
Verdict is in and justice has worked according to the jury's decision. Glad to hear the case has been decided before the next season begins. May the whole thing be over before the end of the summer. Then let him be forgotten for his past deeds of virtue as a football coach, because he will live on forever in infamy for his deeds of sick perversion and cruelty.
Now, let's begin to move on live for better things like Bo and all the other Michigan coaches would want!
I guess I am one of those ppl to think that the cover-up extended into the university and coaching staff. I think people will look @ this and say, well, we got the bad guy. I think that will be the PSU response for one. I want to see the PSU ADs (or whomever) on trial, see another jury where 1/2 of them have a connection the university. See how that plays out next. I see a whole coaching staff that perhaps knowingly sat silent along with the ADs. Could some of these kids been spared?
If this ends with Sandusky getting convicted and nothing more. It's not good enough for me.
I agree that the cover-up probably extended to many people through the school. As an outsider, you wonder why Spanier and Curly kept quiet in 2001 and continued to keep a child rapist on campus. Sandusky was already retired by then so JoePa's image probably would not have been tarnished in the slightest had Sandusky been arrested and convicted a decade ago...unless Sandusky had dirt on JoePa and PSU that the higher ups didn't want revealed to the public. I can't think of any other reason why they would all continue to keep quiet for so long and STILL deny the accusations once they got caught.
Spanier and Curly's trials are probably next and I will rejoice if they are found guilty on all their charges as well.
Spanier didn't think it would be humane to report Sandusky.
Feds are waiting for those Bozo's, it's their turn now.
buckle up Penn State.
My thoughts are with the victims and their families. What an effing nightmare.
And this buckling up will not be for a recruit. In all honestly this is going to have some serious damage to their university, their athletic departments, and their reputation.
If case against the Athletic Direct turns out to be true, I wouldn't want to send my kids to Penn State, even if my son was 6'5" 270 linebacker/power forward.
Honestly before this all happened, I would have said, no way, Joe Paterno runs a clean ship, thats not true. Now I am curious what else has been covered up. I feel bad for all the innocent people this case is going to do damage to, like the professors, and the current football players and new staff, but the football team deserves the hit that they are likely to receive...
Next on the list to join The Monster in prison should be The 3 Lying Amigos (Curley, Schultz, Spanier). Following that, it's time for PSU to pay up big time to the families of victims who were assaulted on university property or as a result of the school doing nothing to get Sandusky off the streets. PSU must be held accountable for their role in this huge tragedy and scandal.
So glad this monster is off the street. If there is a hell I hope it is creative enough to make him understand what he has done. Jail won't. Someone should skip their suicide watch duty on this one.
...and psu is next. The institutional enablement afforded this pig is pretty unbelievable. I love Michigan football but if one of our guys ever did this I am hopeful someone steps up and stops it.
I haven't heard it commented this way before (if it has, I apologize, I haven't read all the posts here), but the acquittal with respect to the victim that McQuery supposedly witnessed will probably be the beginning of the vindication of Joe Paterno.
I hardly believe Paterno will be vindicated. Sandusky's behavior was not a secret within that athletic department, regardless of what McQuery testified.
Captures my sentiments exactly and the article is well-written.
Here is Jerry Sandusky's tribute
have fun in prison scumbag, now his farts will make no noise the rest of his life
At his age and the stress of the trial, I'd be surprised if he lasted very long in jail. Just a horribly sad situation for the PSU family and especially the victims.
No shock here on the verdict...
interesting to see what the NCAA will do when they do investgation with Penn St?