There will be soccer played tonight in the heartland of Ohio. A very desperate Mexico team, sporting 8 points in qualifying will come play the good guys. What was once unfathomable - a Mexico squad not qualifying for the World Cup - is now on the table, as Costa Rica, US, and Honduras are ahead of the team, with Panama only 1 point behind. Mexico will be desperate and the U.S. will be lacking it's best player, Mr. Bradley. The atmosphere should be electric...positively "Seattle-like". If only they had let me win the lottery for tickets - not that I am bitter.... (ok I'm bitter).
OT - USMNT v Mexico in Columbus
And what the fuck are you contributing to the board?
I think that trying to say you contribute more than a given user is a crapshoot, and unless you're one of the diarists, you're contributing the same amount. Nobody made you the judge on what people bring to the board or not
Butterfield has a point. That guy posts really dumb stuff all the time.
Also he downvoted this thread, which means he hates soccer or loves baseball. He didn't need to add his sarcastic post.
"Can't we all just get along?" - R. King.
You should really go back and read the asinine thing this guy posts. I don't always agree with what butterfield contributes, but at least his posts have substance.
now they have
Mexico currently has a new interim coach, so they'll come out fired up to play.
I could be coaching mexico and it would be a good game. This is only behind 1. OSU-UM 2. Purdue-Notre Dame 3. Yankees-Bosox 4. Lakers-Celtics in global importance. Ahem.
tend to have a dislike for Columbus, it has really been our defacto home field for soccer over the last decade. It has turned into the best place we can bring a team in and know we will have full support of the crowd. Cant wait.
Also, I dont think Bradley is our best player... He is our best midfielder tho
A case could me made for Dempsey, Howard, Bradley, or even Donovan (5 years ago no question it was Landon) ... I think a central midfielder is the brain of your system and sets up all the organization so I am biased there. The way the US played last week without Bradley was.... telling.
Of Mexico City, that can't be good for us.
Question for the soccer peeps...What happens if Mexico loses?
What happens if the US loses?
I.e. what are the scenarios that each need to do to make it into the Would Cup?
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Ahh, good info/charts. Much appreciated.
Sitting in section 110 at the moment.
Just curious, who in Columbus Ohio approved a color of yellow that is strikingly close to Michigan's Maize for the Crew? Different sport, but it's still Columbus.
Northwest soccer is a big deal. They average twice as many in attendence than can fit in Columbus. Plus Columbus is a cesspool that produces cheaters and crooks.
I would love future games in Seattle or Portland. The Seattle crowd a few months ago was AWESOME.
I don't disagree that Seattle and/or Portland both have great soccer crowds, but you should check out this Jeff Carlisle (ESPN) article:
Quick article summary is that they started playing in Columbus because:
1.They had a soccer only stadium that wasn't in an area where US fans could be out-numbered, like LA, especially 15 years ago when soccer wasn't as big
2. The US has a good history there, especially against Mexico, and just for the head games aspect, they might want to at least keep the US-Mexico games in Columbus
A win tonight and a loss by Panama and we're in. I'd love to have it wrapped up with two games to go.
It seems like we play Mexico once a month.
See table at bottom third of page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_soccer_rivalry
Is there an advantage to finishing at the top of the hex. Do you get a more favorable path in the World Cup?
No it it is random draw once you qualify who you play. They create 4 team groups in the 1st round of the world cup and by definition usually Mexico or the U.S. get into what is called a "group of death" because they are (at least since the mid 90s) one of the better teams not in Europe or South America. So the way they generally do it is each group gets a European team, each group gets a South American team, and then they scatter teams from Concacaf (North/Central America), Asia, and Africa into the rest. I am simplyfing it but that is generally how it works... but it is completely random draw.
Sounds good. Thanks for the quick response.
Let's go USA..
But usn't there some sort of seeding? So at least you avoid 2 top tier teams (say Germany and Brazil) in the same group to start??
They go by geography more - i.e. the top european teams are split up, the top south american teams are split up. The FIFA "rankings" are generally garbage.
Well let me apologize to you - it appears in 2010 they actually did use the FIFA rankings more than in the past. Here is a wikipedia on how it worked. Sorry I didnt realize how they changed it a bit in 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_seeding
No worries, they seem to change their system a lot anyway.
There are 4 raffle boxes as far as I know, in the first there are 8 teams considered "Head of group" wich are the local team, the last champion and the 6 best seeded teams by FIFA rankings, then the remaining teams are accomodated in the next 3 raffle boxes according to the rankings (next best 8 in the 2nd box and so on) and they draw one team out of each box to set up the 8 groups for the world cup. At least that's how it was done, now idk if it's only for the first raffle box.
Yes I really simplified it. Generally you have a top European team, a top South American team in each group and then overflow European teams, North America/Central, Asia, and Africa sprinkled in. The home country gets a lock and the past champion etc. It is too complicated for newbies to go farther than that lol
I really hate Mexico.
I don't know where they rank, but it would be close behind MSU.
Dear National Anthem Singers,
I get that this might be your 1:30 of fame, but if the crowd is belting its lungs out singing along, just go with them and sing it right.
Isn't there usually a delay with the mic and what is being pumped into the speakers?
Among the worst renditions I've ever heard!
I'm not sure about Bedoya getting the start.
I have a feeling we might struggle early without MB90.
I love when the US plays Mexico. I root for Mexico when they play anyone but the US. Not tonight though. Go Red, White, and Blue!
Landon looks like he has a black eye
What the hell is wrong with Donovan's eye?
What the hell Beasley!!! Get it together man
Why was that not a hand ball? Beasley "kicked" to Howard, no?
It was inadvertant, so no handball
This looks really bad
Now we are settling in.
First 15 minutes - lots of sloppy play, no real build up by either team.
That was close.... O.o
Terrible giveaway by Gonzalez.
That is where we are going to miss Besler. Omar is great in the air, but as good as Besler on the ball.
Gonzalez playing horrid. Unpresured giveaway - seems like the moment has swallowed him whole.
Lots of shots by México seems like desperation mode to me since it's a team that always tries to get to the goal line with the ball under control.
If that was a Mexican player we would see a dive there. Really tough run by Dempsey to keep his feet and find Donovan making the run.
Second 15 minutes, both teams with a few dangerous penetrations. U.S. getting feet under themselves in last 5-6 minutes.
Third 15 minutes goes to Mexico, but no breakthrough. US did little in that 15. Dos Santos most dangerous player on pitch tonight.
So overhyped and a huge underpormerer in the last 3-4 years... except he brings the noise vs. the US like it is very personal.
Agreed. You'd think he was a Spartan playing the Wolverines.
This seems like one of those games where our defenders let though an opportunity Howard can't save. US is going to need at least 2 goals because Mexico is going to score.
Agreed. The link up in the midfield is really lacking without Bradley.
1. Mexico had the most energy in the first 20...
2. We had more possession.
3. Great halfs from Howard, Johnson, and Gonzalez.
4. Need the ole reliable counter from Landon to produce a big opportunity.
5. If we can score first this thing gets crazy as Mexico is mentally oh so fragile...
Are there two Gonzalez's out there? I thought he was the worst player out there - giveaways galore. :)
U.S. with 2 good chances but off by a few feet here and there (no pun intended)
EDDIEEEEEE on a CORNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EJ is insane.
Goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Eddie Johnson with a big one.
Holy awful goalie play - if you come out you MUST GET IT
We needed that one, but don't let up.
Pressure on mexico just increased exponentially
Are the couches safe in Mexico City?
Haha. I like it. Iwouldnt be surprised if Mexico channels their inner MSU and things get more chippy out there as they play a little more desperate.
Mexyyyy Noooo!!! Never gets old.
Fourth 15 minutes tilt US way with a goal. Mexico seemed staggered for first 5 minutes after goal, starting to wake up after. Every minute from here the vice tightens. Expect a lot of "11 behind the ball" from U.S. now. A Honduras win tonight combined with Mexico loss could spell disaster for our friends from the south. Also they wear 2 ugly colors - red & green.
Is Aron Johanssen(sp) cap-tied to the USA yet? And if so, does he make our top 11 for the World Cup next year?
that he's quite young, and still very much developing. He got some action against Bosnia and played well. I personally think he'll make the world cup roster, but wont start unless injuries.
Thanks..sounds like he's some needed depth now, and would be looking to get a bigger role as Dempsey and Donovan get older
No, he basically plays what Landon, Dempsey, or Altidore plays. But I hope he makes the final squad since he seems to have some nice skills.
Fifth 15 minutes, just a lot of play in between the two boxes which is fine for the U.S. Mexico simply does not look dangerous here. U.S. playing conservative, spreading Mexico out and playing keep away when possible. Desperation should be intense in last 15 for Mexico but the playmaking ability is just not there. EJ seems to have a head issue, Mix in - Dempsey goes up top.
This is seriously helpful, speaking as a fan that can't watch tonite, and your narration is better at giving me a picture of the game than most broadcast teams.
MEXIC NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Mix with awesome play after being on pitch for 1 minute.
Mixx is so good.
Just demoralizing action for Mexico, as 2 of the top 4 attacking players for U.S. not even playing tonight. Mexico looks useless in 2nd half. Landon gets a yellow card for delaying time on throw in. If you took Mexico's uniforms off after the first 30 minutes, you could throw in Jamaica's players tonight and you wouldn't know the difference.
You can make the argument that this Jamaica team is more dynamic and creative going forward.
and as you type that Jamaica ties Costa Rica.
Costa Rica scored late against Jamacia, and is up 1-0 in the 90'... so we can't take over the #1 spot in the table. Meanwhile, Honduras is up 1-0 on Panama near the half.
By my observation, it looks as if Mexico is headed to the playoff for the last spot with New Zealand.
***EDIT: AAAANNDDD as I say that, Jamacia tyes Costa Rica late. 1-1
LOL Dempsey with a PK attempt in closing minute of stoppage.
DEMPSEY NOOOOO! lol. Columbus secures its spot in 4 years for the next Mexico game and US heads to Brazil.
Do you speak Kiwi Mexico? Wow. Just wow. I don't know much about New Zealand's squad but if Mexico shows up with this group of peeps they have a great chance of staying home.
Anyone with a feed of the Honduras/Panama game?
I guess if you happen to have beIN sports you can watch it as well.
I don't pick up the sports package from at&t until hockey season, so I can watch Michigan away games.
ONLY TO KEEP THE DOS A CERO STREAK ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAhahahahahahahahahaha
What does it take for us to make it to the world cup? Who has to lose tonight?
A draw or loss by Panama and we are in.
If Jamaica wins I think that moves us into top of the hex.
EDIT: Just kidding Costa Rica and Jamaica ended in a draw so we are at the top.
Alexi is a better man than me, since I take glee in the demise of El Tri.
Funny that this game is in Columbus because I feel about Mexico how I feel about Ohio...I want them to come in to the game with the highest hopes/stakes (Gold Cup final, Big Ten Championship, World Cup qualifying, Rose Bowl Berth) and then have the US/Michigan utterly destroy them.
I was laughing at Kasey Keller's unbridled glee at Mexico's demise. Seriously this is a team that I do not recognize. Did El Chicharito get a touch in the 2nd half? You score 1 goal on Mexico and they seem to fold mentally.
1-1 Honduras and Panama
...New Zealand isn't a gimme. They played two friendlies against CONCACAF sides in Texas last year to prepare for the playoff and they were competitive:drawing El Salvador 2-2 and beating Honduras 1-0. They don't have the talent level of Mexico of course but they aren't any worse than some of the teams Mexico's not beating now.
And that's assuming they get that far--there's the small matter of holdng at least a draw against Panama, who beat them twice in the Gold Cup.
...even a draw against Panama might not be enough. Mexico will be fifth, tied with Panama on points and goal difference but behind on goals scored, if it stays 1-1 in Honduras.
2-1 Honduras!!!! 61' !!!!
Are we all okay with Crew Stadium for a little while? (Seriously, that shit was not clever in any way.)
"WE ARE GOING TO BRAZIL, WE ARE GOING TO BRAZIL, WE ARE GOING, WE ARE GOING, WE ARE GOING TO BRAZIL!!!!"
Great game tonight! Even better with it against Mexico!
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
So Panama is level with Mexico on points and goal differential. There is a real possibility that Mexico might not even make the 4th-place playoff vs. New Zealand.
U-S-A! U-S-A!! U-S-A!!!
So sweet beating Mexico.