OT - USMNT v Germany

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Let's see if we an build on the momentum of the 4-3 victory over Oranje.  FS1.

gopoohgo

June 10th, 2015 at 9:22 PM ^

I love that the US beat Germany IN Germany for the 1st time ever.  And the US team looked deadly in the 2nd half.

But are you f-in kidding me that missing Jozy, Howard, Oman, Besler, and Dempsey are equivalent to the talent that Germany was missing?

Muller, Reus, Kroos, Khedira, Hummels, Boateng, Neuer.  

 

bacon1431

June 10th, 2015 at 9:30 PM ^

He's not equating the talent whatsoever. He's equating the situations of the respective teams. Both were missing a handful of their best players. He never even insinuated that the players we were missing were on part with the talent that Germany was missing. 

AA2Denver

June 10th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^

Really impressed by Evans today. Probably GZs best game. Love the Beckerman/Bradley combo, they provide a calming effect and together can control possesion. 

AJ is lost. He's slow, always in the wrong place and no one can find him on the break. I'm afraid he isn't a good fit for Jurgen's system. He's constantly complaining about not getting the ball.

 

Also...Die Manshaft???  Feminists. 

 

M-Dog

June 10th, 2015 at 6:25 PM ^

If you mean JA, I tend to agree.  Jurgen's system is movement and passing.  JA is a "back to the basket low-post" player.  

It fit well when we were playing long-ball and hoping for JA to get a hold of the ball, box-out, turn and shoot.  I'm not sure how well it fits at this point.  it's kind of an awkward mix IMO.

alum96

June 10th, 2015 at 6:47 PM ^

First let me say I did a 180 on Beckerman in the past 3 years.  I used to hate his game.  But they used to use him differently.  He was more of an attacking midfield for some odd reason and he just took so many long range shots that were useless.  Now he has found his role as a #6 and it fits perfectly.  If I recall he sat out the Belgium game when we got strifed.  Not that we would not have been strifed with him in but really it was exposed.

And I think the Beckerman of 5 years ago was a very different guy than this one so its hard to say we'd want him 5 years younger - only the current form would we want.

Anyhow there is finally a bit of creativity in the front 6 guys now, we dont have a lot of possession against top tier teams but this trip we actually had a lot of nice tick tack series when we did have the ball.  These 2 super subs are pretty hilarious considering one is 2nd division Germany trying to find a team and the other is at friggin Stanford.  At this point they look a lot more ready to contribute 20 minutes a game than the heralded Green.

The other guy who looked a lot better was Mix.  He used to be an easy pushover who was so easy to get off the ball and weak as hell on defense.  Not that he is a superstar but he is at least a contributor.  I've only seen a few games so I dont know if it is a good recent spurt of play or he really has changed but he is a lot more firm on the ball nowadays.

skurnie

June 10th, 2015 at 7:18 PM ^

I agree on Beckerman. Bradley never used him where he belongs, center midfield and dropping back. I never saw much in him before Klinsmann moved him (for the National Team).

Mix has a way of finding the net, which cannot be undervalued. 7 goals in 31 matches is better than a lot of his counterparts. His game is going in the right direction, for sure.

Mr. Yost

June 10th, 2015 at 7:29 PM ^

I'm still not sold that they shouldn't be preparing Bradley for the Beckerman role. 3 years is a LONG time in sports. 

No one expects Kyle to be there, or Jermaine Jones for that matter.

I'm okay with keeping Bradley where he is now, but after the Gold Cup, I'd drop him back to the defensive midfield spot and give him time there before the World Cup.

I think Mix is worth a starting 11 spot...he's not the best player, but he, IMO is what I've wanted Bradley to be for the past 3 years. Or at least he shows flashes of that.

I also think Yedlin needs to start, I'm biased, because he's my favorite player but things just happen when he's on the field. We're faster than everyone and he serves in beautiful passes from the right side. He also is quick enough to recover back on defense.

I'm completely over Timmy Chandler, he wasn't good in 2013, wasn't good last year and isn't any good now. I'd much rather continue to the Jermaine Jones as a wide defender expirement than give Chandler one more minute of run on the USMNT. 

I think speed could be a huge asset out wide if we put Jones and Fabian Johnson out there and then Bedoya/Mix and Yedlin in front of them. So much overlapping and so much flexibility to recover on the back end.  Keep Bradley in the middle, just drop him back after the Gold Cup and find someone to replace him...Julian Green? Mix? Corona? Zardes?

You can still keep Beckerman on the 23 man roster in 2018 and play him off the bench and move Bradley back up if you need to. 

We also need to figure out what we're doing with central defenders. Brooks, Besler are on, IMO. Cameron or Gonzalez, then I think you need another rock like Besler rather than another tall, lanky, slow guy who fucks up too much. Should never had 2 of those types on the field at the same time.

chatster

June 10th, 2015 at 7:13 PM ^

Take The WINS! Leave the Gouda and Schnitzel!
 
Great week on the old continent for the USMNT, even though I suspect that many commentators will say that friendlies don’t’ count for much, especially when (a) the opponents aren’t fielding their best players, (b) club players who have been called up for the friendlies, after coming off a long European season, aren’t too motivated to play and (c) six substitutions in a friendly makes for a much different game than if each team were limited to only three subs.  (And you can say that thanks to the six-sub rule, Bobby Wood* was on the pitch to score the winning goal in each game. So, yes; we had six subs . . . AND IT WAS CRAZY!)
 
Still, beating the top-ranked and sixth-ranked national teams in the FIFA rankings should count for progress, if nothing else, even if they were playing with many second-line players.
 
The real test for the USMNT will be the Gold Cup. Mexico was added to Copa America this year as one of the two CONCACAF representatives, but it appears that they’ll have to play with separate squads in the back-to-back tournaments. Mexico and Costa Rica probably are the favorites to win the Gold Cup and head to the 2017 Confederations Cup.
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*  Unfortunately, Bobby Wood was left off the USMNT provisional roster for the Gold Cup, because he’s devoting his time to finding a club to play for during the 2015-16 season.

chatster

June 10th, 2015 at 10:28 PM ^

Goalkeepers (4): Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake), William Yarbrough (Club León)
 
Defenders (12): Ventura Alvarado (Club América), DaMarcus Beasley (Houston Dynamo), Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City), John Brooks (Hertha Berlin), Timmy Chandler (Eintracht Frankfurt), Brad Evans (Seattle Sounders), Greg Garza (Club Tijuana), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Michael Orozco (Pubela), Tim Ream (Bolton Wanderers), Brek Shea (Orlando City), DeAndre Yedlin (Tottenham Hotspur)
 
Midfielders (12): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Alejandro Bedoya (Nantes), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo), Mix Diskerud (New York City FC), Fabian Johnson (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Perry Kitchen (D.C. United), Alfredo Morales (Ingolstadt), Lee Nguyen (New England Revolution), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)
 
Forwards (7): Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution), Jozy Altidore (Toronto FC), Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders), Alan Gordon (LA Galaxy), Aron Jóhannsson (AZ), Jordan Morris (Stanford University), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes)
 
Missing from the provisional roster:
 
Stoke City defender Geoff Cameron, because Stoke City wants him to rest and fully recover from his injuries this past season; New England Revolution defender-midfielder Jermaine Jones, suffering from a sports hernia injury; two of the goal scorers in the friendly wins over the Netherlands and Germany -- Reading midfielder Danny Williams and  Erzgebirge Aue forward Bobby Wood (still looking for a club team for next season); FC Utrecht forward Rubio Rubin (who scored in the USA’s 1-0 win over Columbia to send the USA into the U-20 World Cup quarterfinals); Arsenal midfielder Gedion Zelalem (also on the U-20 World Cup roster); the NASL's Minnesota United FC midfielder Miguel Ibarra; and Bayern Munich/Hamburg winger Julian Green who played only sparingly for his club since playing for the USMNT in the 2014 World Cup and who’s also looking to find a new club for next season.