OT- Used Car ideas

Submitted by Yostbound and Down on

Hello MGoBoard,

Seeing as JeepInBen hasn't posted a Talking Cars Tuesday yet I am here to steal some of his thunder...

I am looking for a used car, ideally something like a higher mileage Honda Accord or Subaru that I can drive for a couple years and then resell with decent value. Any other suggestions on make/model are welcome, my budget is around 4-5,000... only requirements are good mileage, reliability and hopefully nicer inside than my beater of a Chevy.

Any ideas on places around Ann Arbor/Metro Detroit to look? Have you used cars.com, Autotrader, craigslist in the past? Suggestions welcome.

MGoManBall

July 14th, 2015 at 12:26 PM ^

I know a guy who had his car hood dented by a certain large Michigan football player. He'll sell it to you cheap but the sentimental value on the vehicle would be priceless. 

OxfordBlue24

July 14th, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^

Not sure on places to buy but in my family's experience you can never go wrong with a Honda. I bought a used 2006 Civic with 172,000 miles on it two years ago, and it has run flawlessly the last two years and is about to surpass 200k with no signs of slowing down.

I will say used Hondas are usually priced what seems ridiculously high given their age and mileage, but that's due to their longevity, and I found you can often negotiate those prices down significantly.



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Yostbound and Down

July 14th, 2015 at 12:31 PM ^

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It would be a vehicle that I will not put a lot of miles on in a couple years (going to be walking to campus, so primarily useful for getting groceries, trips to DTW/Detroit, trips to see family) so I'd like to get something like that that I can flip for high miles. The Honda engines last a long time. 

I wouldn't mind a high mileage Subaru for the winter instead but that likely costs more.

mgochacho

July 14th, 2015 at 12:30 PM ^

If you're considering a subaru, just make sure it's had it's head gaskets replaced. There was a common issue with head gaskets going after around 6 years or 120k miles, although really driven by age. Any subaru from the mid 2000s may have this problem. I'd check the repair history. The repair can cost well over $2k depending on where and what else you get done. Otherwise they're great drivers with solid reliability and fantastic in snow. Never once got stuck in 8 winters.

With that age and price range you're sure to be in for repairs from time to time (even with your current car) so be sure to check the labor rate at several shops. I found this out too late for my head gaskets. Was a 10 hour repair and the shop I went to had a labor rate $20/hour above market. Wound up costing another $200 than if I had gone elsewhere nearby.

LSAClassOf2000

July 14th, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^

As I recall, it was two generations worth of of the 2.5L engine from about 1996 to some time in the 2000s and one of the primary issues was the factory coating on the gaskets themselves would basically degrade and fail spot on around 120,000 miles. I thought that coolant conditioner bought some people more time, but eventually they were staring at the same problem. A lot of dealerships - so I heard - installed the same gaskets for the repair too, which blows if you own a Subaru in this range and didn't go to an independent shop. 

mgochacho

July 14th, 2015 at 2:17 PM ^

My '08 had to be replaced last year. Likewise my sister's '03 was replaced around 3 years ago.

As for special tools, there were shops that didn't have the tools to pull out the engine when I called around. Wound up going to the subaru dealership. Felt like a chump getting that done at the dealership tho with the peace of mind that they'd do it right. Just ripped me off on hourly rate. Wouldn't go to Suburban Subaru for service again. I'd check with one of the 3 other dealers in the metro-Detroit area for their rates.

skurnie

July 14th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^

I actually asked my mechanic Brother-in-law about used Suburus and he said the same thing about the head gaskets. He also said maintenance on them is a bit tricky due to the placement (something about the Jimmy Rods?) of the gaskets/engine configuration. I dunno man, he's the mechanic, not me.

Essentially, he said anything over 100k miles, make sure the gaskets have been changed or you're going to have a big, expensive surprise very soon. 

Michigan Eaglet

July 14th, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^

If you have the time and patience, craigslist will probably get you your best deal. I bought mine off there a couple years ago and it's crazy once you have your price range figured what you can find. I had a slightly higher budget than you, but don't be afraid to look at cars $1000 above your price range. THat's the asking but you can easily work them down. I dropped mine by over 1K just by seeing it in person and noting some minor defects and KBB values. Make sure you check the title though because many cars are heavily discounted and if you're getting a loan, a lot of places won't give you one if the car doesn't have a clean title.

Edit: Here's a Lincoln that could fit what you're looking for.  Link It's going for $5500 and has a little higher mileage, but you can probably work them down a little and it's defnitely better than the Chevy you have now.

JFW

July 14th, 2015 at 12:31 PM ^

I'm a domestic guy and a dodge boy, but that set of requirements is what Toyota and Honda do extremely well.

Subies are nice (a ton of them in TC) but for sheer mechanical reliability they aren't quite as good, according to my mechanic. I'd go to them in a snow areA, but if not I'd go Accord/Camry.



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Don

July 14th, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^

If you don't have to keep to a Honda and are interested post your email address and I'll send you more info directly.

Powderd Toast

July 14th, 2015 at 12:34 PM ^

If you can get past the lack of resale value then go with a Saab. I bought a 2006 9-3 wagon last year and it's all I could ever ask for in a daily. Leather/heated seats/turbo/amazing gas mileage/fits the whole family/luxury. A seriously good all around car.

Yostbound and Down

July 14th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

Hmmm, interesting.

There are actually a couple of high mileage Volvo S60s at Suburban that I was thinking about... going to see them at some point this week. Not as exciting as Saabs but my dad had one a few years ago that I liked. 

For perspective I'm coming from a Chevy Cavalier that was to put it mildly a piece.

Doc Brown

July 14th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^

Fuck no. I had a 2005 Saab 9-3 and it was a the biggest pain in my ass. Within the first year I blew a gasket. Then every year I had to drop the oil pain and get the sludge at the bottom cooked off. This is with regular oil changes with full synthetic AMS Oil. I was pretty close to joining a class action against GM for hiding and refusing to admit a design defect where the carb is situated next to the oil pan. Then in the last year of ownership the starter to go where it would not restart if the engine was hot. I literally drove with jugs of water so I could restart my car after pouring water over the engine to cool it.



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mgobaran

July 14th, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^

Not so great on gas mileage, but you can find a 2000-2003 Ford Crown Vic with 30-50,000 miles on it, and you can get that car for $5k of some old lady. It will last you at least 200,000 more miles if you take care of it. Mine gets right around 22 miles per gallon highway.

Blue_sophie

July 14th, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^

My wife and I have opposing philosophies, I recommend you go with option 2 since it is fun and affordable:

1) She likes nice cars. Buying a used car gives her lots of perks (bigger engine, nice finish package, etc) for less money. She now drives a really slick car.

2) I like crappy old cars, and I like to buy and sell them regularly. My favorites include 1988 Subaru GL, 1992 Honda DelSol (classic Del Sol green), and 1994 Nissan shortbed pickup (this last one had a sweet lift). I never spent more than $2,000 on a vehicle, and after investing probably $500 in each for maintainance I sold them for at least the same price I originally paid. Of course, caveat emptor, but even if one is a complete lemon, you won't be out much cash. 

Note: philosophy 2 really depends on where you live. It works great in Michigan, but is harder in California with taxes and expensive maintainance etc.

Yostbound and Down

July 14th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

Yeah, I sorta want a happy medium... there are a couple options I really would like in this next car. I'd like leather seats if possible and a little bit nicer interior, and then decent mileage (25+ highway) would be a requirement, and then cheap to maintain. I've seen a couple early 2000s BMWs floating around that would meat the first two requirements...but the problem is maintaining those cars. 

 

Blue_sophie

July 14th, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^

We had a Volvo V90R for a while (a result of my wife's philosophy). A rad vehicle, but you really need to be prepared to drop some cash at the dealership to make one of these workable. 

I think you are on the right track with a recent model Honda. I would also consider a recent Ford Focus. We have had good luck with Subarus—consider a 2010 or later since they have a different transmission.

You could also look at a Hyundai or a Kia since they both have really good 5 year warranties (and Hyundai has decent AWD vehicles). The warranties are not transferrable, but they *may* indicate that the previous owner took excellent care of their vehicle.

amaizenblue402

July 14th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

IMO, you really can't go wrong with an Accord. It will give you reliability, good gas mileage, good resale value and inexpensive maintenance. When you are ready to sell it, you shouldn't have a problem as a lot of people are looking for Accords. It isn't the fastest or flashiest of cars but it hits everything you are looking for on your list. All 3, Craigslist, Autotrader and cars.com are good places to look. You should be able to find something in your budget. Also, get the 4 cylinder as the V6 models tend to have more issues.



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Sllepy81

July 14th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

I found my commuter Toyota Tercel that way. It was then 10 years old, old man delivered newspapers in it. Had 15k miles on it in 10 years, bought it for $3k. Gets 35mpg, it's at 105k miles now runs great... so yeah low miles and price range in search and you might find a almost new 10 year old car.

skurnie

July 14th, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^

I actually bought my current car, a 2010 VW Jetta TDI on eBay. It was a local auction so you actually "win" the right to buy the car and then have to put down a deposit in 24-48 hours after you drive it, etc.

It was pretty easy and the car was great...I was looking for something very specific so eBay was a good route for me. I bought an Accord off a Cars.com listing several years ago and it was a really good car I just didn't like the V6 gas mileage and for some reason the seats were terribly uncomfortable. 

bringthewood

July 14th, 2015 at 1:27 PM ^

Won two car auctions in eBay. One was not as described and cost me a plane flight to DC because I decided not to buy, The second was nice and I picked it up in Chicago. eBay also has classifieds. 

Benoit Balls

July 14th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

For most of my life Ive driven "beaters" (for lack of a better term). What I mean is a car I buy outright that might need a wrench turned here or an alternator swapped there, keep them for a couple years and repeat.  Recently, I sold the only vehicle I ever had a payment on, a 2003 F-150, that had been paid off for close to 5 yrs (bought it used. Never buy new!)

Anyhow, Im scanning Craigslist and Auto trader and the local fishwrap classifieds and here is a piece of advice you may or may not want to incorporate into your own search.  I found I had more luck dealing with a dealer than a private seller. 

On the face this seems odd, as dealers would upsell their mothers if they're given the chance, but let me explain my reasoning. I had 2 main reasons for this (and if things hadnt worked, I wouldve tried another dealer, or gone back to the drawing board). This isnt meant to be gosepl set in stone, more "suggestive".  First thing- most dealers just turn and sell the vehicles they take in on trade (especially if theyre over 100k on the odometer) to a wholesaler or auction and make a couple hundred a unit and dont deal with whatever problems they might have. However, there are some dealers out there (you can find them) that will keep a select few of their traded in vehicles and sell them off of their lot. Generally these are the "better" trades that either have a higher resale, or are in pretty good shape.  For the most part, if a dealer thinks the car might be a lemon that could end up in negative press they'll jettison it, but if they think its decent enough (from a low price high mileage car perspective), they will keep it and try to see if they can make a grand or so. Lots of times you'll get a free carfax too.

The second reason you may want to see what a dealer has on the wholesale lot is because instead of having to bum a ride of a friend or realtive to go look at a car 20 minutes away only to find out the reason there was no picture of the right rear quarter panel in the ad was because there was no right rear quarter panel, and having wasted all that time, you can go to one place and see 5-10 cars all at once and increase your odds of finding something decent before youre friends start ducking your calls.

Now, the dealer is going to try and make a few hundy off you, and they may say they cant deal with you too much because their margins are already slim, but you can still make an offer. I find the "Ill give you xxx, out the door, including tax title and plates" the best angle. It helps make their silly dealer fees vanish in a hurry. 

3 weeks ago, I did exactly this after selling my truck, and I ended up with a 2003 Taurus with 117k on the clock. The car is as loaded as Taurus' got in 2003, and I paid $1800 for it, from a dealer, who had the price listed as $2500.

So, do with this info whatever you like.  Merely relaying whats worked for me in the past