OT: USA World Cup Qualifier vs. Costa Rica
Was hoping someone would make this thread. Love this weather but not when we need a result as bad as we do
What genius scheduled a game in colorado in the Winter? If this game finishes tonight I'll be amazed. There's gonna be 6 inches of snow before the final whistle. If it does finish, though, we have no excuse for not winning. The Costa Ricans have never even seen snow before.
Actually, it's spring now.
Even worse! We generally get most of our snow in March/early April here. Anyone who looked at any historical records could have seen that there is at least equal chance of blizzard vs. 60 and sunny conditions in Denver in March. Almost makes me think US Soccer was kind of hoping for this kind of weather.
The point was to schedule the match in cold weather. Central America has laser pointers, eggs to throw at the team bus, and terrible pitches. We have weather.
I believe they scheduled it for the altittude factor to prep for playing at Azteca which is at 7,200 ft. Just poor timing that we get one of our worst the same weekend of the pitch. It was 60's and sunny all last week.
Soccer in the snow! And first goal! (Damn, I was a few minutes behind on TiVo.)
Big, athletic target without great touch. Perfect for nasty conditions. I believe he had the assist on the Deuce goal. Gotta love just pounding the ball in this one and hoping the USA can skip another one off the slush.
Screw the cold spray! Just pack some snow on injuries.
I always loved playing in the snow, awesome start for us.
How about Mexico, blowing that 2-0 lead to end up tied 2-2 with Honduras?
I'm sorry but this is freaking hilarious. Snow soccer? I've seen a lot of fucked-up games in my 53 years but this one has got to be near the top. What's next - outdoor basketball on ice?
So.....if we have a qualifier in July will it be played in Palm Springs California or the Mojave Desert?
The goal areas were cleared, but now you can't tell anymore.
Average summer daytime temp: 106 degrees!
Average Summer Temperatures
This is the desert, so June, July and August see average daytime temperatures of 106 degrees F, though they can surpass 114 degrees at the peak of the noonday sun. Nights are more tolerable at around 84 degrees, luring most of the residents of Doha, the capital, out of their homes for an evening stroll along the main promenade, the Corniche.
Brings back memories of Patriots playoff game.
I'm amazed how good the touches are.
The Costa Ricans are probably thinking WTF?!
Uh, what foul?
If snow keeps on falling like this, it will be very interesting watching them play in 5+ inches of snow n the second half.
I'm just worried about someone getting hurt. The last thing we need is another injury.
Dammit, no PK for us.
zip after Dempsey gets a mouthfull of snow.
The ref is being extra cautious not giving us any advantage at all. Considering we have the perceived homefield advantage.
Free hack by Costa Rica.
Just STFU and get to halftime already, guys!
USA soccer sucks. It doesn't matter if it's Klinnsman, Arena, or Bradley, the team will never be good until this country starts to love the game, and that is decades away.
I'm really curious what respect/love means? Is it TV viewership, youth participation, style, etc. I think the US has made pretty great strides over the last 5 years (not to mention the last 20).
Known as a "melting pot" of cultures... is increasingly hispanic. MLS has some very passionate fan markets, and draws very well at soccer specific stadiums these days.
Fair question. I think it means a few things, including several things you have mentioned. FIirst, youth participation is up, but it's still roughly 1/3rd of what you would find in Brazil and Argentina. That needs to increase. Second, the MLS is simply not going to be attractive to the general population unless you start attracting major world talent and increase exposure. At an average salary of less than 200,000 per year, that isn't going to happen. Third, attracting washed up coaching talent isn't going to put us in the world elite. Klinsmann was a bad choice when he was hired, and he's a bad choice moving forward.
I'm curious why you think the U.S. has made strides in the last 5 years. Personally, I have seen seriuos regression over the last 5 years.
I think youth participation has always been a strength of US soccer. It's keeping that interest that has been the problem. I agree that I have never been particularly attracted to MLS, but I think that has a lot to do with Detroit's lack of an MLS team. I love the EPL (COYS) and think that there is a burgeoning interest in high level club soccer in this country. That is evidenced by the increased TV contracts paid by NBC sports. The fact that there is a USMNT thread on a college football site should be evidence enough of soccer's increased support in this country.
Ok but the numbers tell a very different story. Compared to the major soccer powers of the world, participation in this country is a joke. And are you really arguing that one thread on MgoBlog is evidence of a strengthening soccer movement in this country? Seriously?
Straw man, much? That is not my argument at all. And US soccer has a huge youth soccer pool to pull from. But I'm not wasting my bourbon buzz on this played out argument anymore. If you hate US soccer, peace be with you, and I hope you find solace in wasting your time watching glorious snow bowl II (or III, or IV, I stopped counting after the first few).
Uh how is that a strawman? You argued that U.S participation was a strength of U.S. soccer. I argued that it wasn't. I think you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument.
GhostofYost trolling a thread.
If I'm trolling, please tell me what false/inflammatory statements I made.
Saying, "USA Soccer sucks," in this thread is inflammatory.
Well what is your definition of suck? By any objective measure, USA soccer is poor. Do you prefer that term to "suck"?
Just because it's true doesn't mean it isn't trolling/flamebait. If you went over to a Georgetown board right now and posted the final score of their game, you're trolling. Regardless of whether or not your statement is factually true.
I completely disagree. Trying to rub the truth in an opponents face is one thing. Simply pointing it out as an example of your own teams inadequacies is quite another.
Briefly, and probably no one will read this, here is why you are trolling here.
It's not only the inflamatory statement, which is particularly inflamatory in a game thread when people wnat to discuss the game, not engage in a meta discussion about the nature of US Soccer's difficulty ascending from the 2nd or 3rd tier of world soccer (depending on your opinion) to the 1st.
It's that you treat the other people in the threads as if they're idiots with no history of watching soccer. Most people here, I'd venture, know that US Soccer is not likely to make the semi-finals of the world cup in Brazil (and likely not Russia or Qatar). But still, they watch, likely because they're interested in this team and how it is changing over time, whether it's improving, with most knowing all the time what its relative place in the world is. In that context, "sucks" adds nothing to the conversation other than to provoke conflict.
It's as if you dropped into someone's house for a big dinner and the first thing you said was, "this food sucks." And yet everyone else knows the food is not great, but maybe Bill or Ellie or whomever is cooking has been working for a while at becoming a better cook, and the people there eat it not only because they're interested to see him or her get better, but also because they care if they do. That doesn't mean that you can't say, "this would be better with more salt" or "have you considered using chicken broth instead of water" or "these German ingredients don't really suit this Tex-Mex." But you probably shouldn't drop in and say, "God, the problem here is that you haven't trained at le Courdon Bleu" if you don't want people to think you're an unholy dick. That's a solution that's not helpful. Bill's not going to Paris, and the US isn't Brazil. To judge them by the same standards isn't just silly, it's treating the rest of the people there as if they have no history and know nothing about the thing they're interested in. It treats others like idiots.
And of course it is true that, as Larry Summers once began a famous economics paper, "There are idiots. Look around you." But it's best to not put that assumption at the forefront of your communication strategy if you want people to listen to you.
And that you pose this decontextualized belligerence as a form of brave truth telling probably speaks to an outsized sense of your own intelligence.
sure it wins you a fair hearing, but your often-inflammatory posts don't really, either. About 6 million kids play soccer every Saturday in the US, I once read; that's probably a good start. And there's enough enthusiasm to support a league--and now a women's league--although that's an urban and ethnic thing, to a degree, I will admit.
Personally, I think we're one or two really great players away from blowing up here. Who knows when they will come along. . .
6 million out of roughly 300 million. Go look up the youth participation in South America and Central/Western Europe and come back to me.
I'll give you a hint: It's way more than 2 percent.
I think you might need to adjust your population figures just a bit.
Very true, and my mistake. If you're talking about 0-14 years, we've got about 60 million. That would be 10%. Brazil registers a youth participation of roughly 70% for 2012.
80% of kids 0-14 play soccer? I'd like to see where you're getting that statistic. Wanna know why you're trolling now? Making up statistics.
Soccer will never be the number one sport here. But our population is big enough to where a significant minority can still build a strong squad.
When did I say 80%? And if the U.S has enough participation to build a "strong squad," why hasn't it done so in the last 80+ years?
And I'm not making them up. Go spend 5 seconds on google and look up the BFA registration numbers.
So I'll make one too :-)
The Dutch, English, Italians, Spanish, Portugese all have amazing soccer teams with a fraction of the population of the USA. If you've got 1/5 the population of the USA and 5x the participation, you've still got the same number of players playing. With the resources in the USA and the fact that soccer is a cheap sport to get into and is percieved as relatively safe, I think the future is bright for USA soccer. Sure, Brazil has amazing talent and a big population, contributors to their success, sure. But saying the USA has no chance is just ludicrous. It's just going to take time.
Heck, even Japan is solid. Basically every country that has a high GDP and decent population can eventually be good. The difference is hundreds of years of passion and development. It'll take time. But the USA loves a winner and when we start winning, the USMNT will be the hottest ticket out there.
I think part of our problem is being in the CONCACAF. It doesn't offer enough high-level competition. There should be a single federation for all of the Americas.
I think part of our problem is the morons above who refuse to admit that U.S. soccer needs major changes to be competitive on a world stage. But honestly, what else can you expect from this blog? It's basically devolved into one big sunshine-blowing orgy thanks to Brian, Ace, and the 14-year-olds.
This place used to pride itself on objectivity. What a sad decline.
And you wonder why people don't like you. You're morphing into BRCE. Hell, you may be BRCE.
Nobody is forcing you to stay here.
I know full well why people don't like me. I point out that Beilein is a poor defensive coach who's never had a defense in the top 25 and only made the top 100 twice: TROLL! I point out that U.S. Soccer has never made the World Cup Semifinal and needs major reform in terms of interest and youth participation: TROLL! I illustrate that Funk has a weak record of offensive line development: TROLL! I argue that Borges is past his prime based on statistics and has never had serious offers to be a head coach: TROLL! I argue that Burke shooting 2-12 and relying too much on 1-v-1 is bad for the team: TROLL! I point out that director cup standings demonstrate a recent decline in UM sports: TROLL!
It's a joke. We're about one step away from RCMB, and it really is sad. The board used to be different, as several mods have pointed out. I hope it comes back.
I'm actually completely sober, and nothing I said is wrong.
One of the reasons I have been a faithful reader of this blog is to get fresh information, new insights, and a diversity of views. Howver, I too feel like there has been a trend to "homerism" and prejudicial down-voting of bloggers who traditionally offer a different perspective. Now, I tend to enjoy reading the "flamebait" comments, especially if they're part of a thread, and find that, too often, rather than addressing the blogger's arguments, the board resorts to name calling and dismisses the controversial blogger.
"I hate this place. I can't leave."
Another part of the lack of interest in youth soccer is that we also have 4 of the worlds best leagues in other sports in our country to draw interest and we have the financial means as citizens to pursue those other sports. Countries like Argentina and Brazil, the majority of the population doesnt have a pro football or competitive pro basketball league to aspire to play in nor do they have the financial means to play the pay-to-play leagues they do have on the same scale as us.
You see this in the inner cities of the US where the money is tight it is just that in the US the poverty strucken youth play basketball instead of soccer. All you need to play basketball or soccer is 1 other person and a ball (or some other round object) whereas you need many more people and equipment to play other sports.
just a thought.
There are cultural factors at play. Soccer in the U.S. has the reputation as a suburban, "white" sport, but in Europe, soccer is often perceived as an inner-city sport, much like basketball here. This is notably the case in France where participation is extremely high among the black and North African minorities while being lower among whites (who are often more into rugby).
Please find a time machine and go back to your native land, circa 1998.
just administered to one of our guys? Perhaps they're like people who shout when they first start using phones, they think snow makes everyone blind?
The B1G looks at every head contact... although I guess it IS the lamest rule we have. Would be nice if they ever called something off of it.
"This game will be won by the back four of the US."
That assertion makes me nervous.
I can't believe there are 4 tournament games on right now and I've been watching soccer but this game is too crazy to miss. Definitely should've had a penalty when Dempsey was taken down in the box. Getting no help from the ref. I just hope he doesn't call it before we can finish
Is this Dempsey?
Funny to tune into a soccer game, and the announcers have trapper hats on.
besides the obvious reason to be glad about that, they are much less likely to cancel this game and start all over again (tomorrow?) now that one of the teams has a lead
Not a huge fan of soccer, but I love America, and snow. So don't tread on us!!
Second half needs to be finished! We need the points.
Some nasty collisions are inevitable.
I feel like they could have plowed the whole field at halftime.
Dangerous free kick here
We dodged a bullet there!
consider stopping this game
Uh-oh, game stopped.
Both teams want to play... So play the damn game.
Edit: well the ref got it right
It blows my mind how often the people in charge of these types of things are the dumbest and most unreasonable people in the room. Why the hell couldn't they plow the field during halftime instead of pausing now? And why do they have to pause if the players want to play?
YAY! PLAY ON!
Party on Garth!
They need to keep shoveling lines when the ball is on the other end of the field
Of all the sporting events on TV, this soccer game has captivated me. That is saying something, considering hockey and basketball are my preferred sports.
I don't think I would use any subs in this game. It's just gonna take the sub ten minutes to get used to the conditions. The guys who have been in are better options.
ARGH! WTF, REF?!
Jones, you got lucky there.
Stupid foul. Can't make mental mistakes like that
At least the refs got that one right!
I really hate when offsides is called that close to the goal.
Most of the time.
What difference does it make?
I just think it's bullshit. Once you're that close to the goal, you should have to defend, not play games with the offsides rule. If I were Dictator of Sports I'd rewrite the rulebook so there's no such thing as offsides in the box.
Ball handling is getting even sloppier now. Worried about a wierd bounce or slip giving Costa Rica a goal.
Or any snow boarders
This is one of the coolest sporting events I've ever watched
I'm very happy with my decision to watch this game. Might not see this again... Ever
I haven't seen as much slipping as I thought I would. This isn't as bad as a rain-soaked field where the turf keeps slipping underfoot.
LOL....looks like the Costa Rican keeper's been doing a little snow clearing in his spare time. Too bad we haven't given Howard enough time to do the same.
Tim Howard is out with two broken bones in his back, so Brad Guzan (Aston Villa) played in goal tonight.
F U REF!
Holy fuck this refereeing is shit. Altidore gets mugged and nothing and then the same thing at the other end, boom.
I hate to be that guy, but the officiating has been terrible.
I guess that was a US flag waving in the crowd.
If we were playing Mexico. They wouldnt have come out of the tunnel at halftime. Those pansies can't even play when its like sub 50 degrees.
There was a february qualifying game in Columbus about ten years ago that was freezing. Mexico didn't fair too well in that game. It was a fun game to attend.
I remember the story about that supposedly being that the US offered Mexico to hold the game in LA in front of what would've been a very friendly crowd if Mexico would move their game out of Azteca. They refused so we said, fine, we'll find somewhere that's nice and cold in January.
5 min of stoppage time?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
5 minutes is soo long
Nothing like a 94th minute sub
BLOW. THE. WHISTLE!
That will be that!
3 points! I'll take it
U-S-A! U-S-A!! U-S-A!!!
Can't believe they played in that. You would think they would bump up the start time
The Dempsey legend grows! Exchanges jerseys post game and is running around the field shirtless thanking the crowd.
Beasley was in top form.
Also, hats off to Guzman in goal. Stepping in for Howard, gave up nothing.
It's Guzan. Brad Guzan.
A lot of Costa Rica's players play in Scandinavia. This wasn't ideal for them but it's not like they all live in Costa Rica year round.