Going with the 1-11 with no names on the back.
OT: USA vs Mexico open thread
Ok this if freaking ridiculous. Get these kids off of ESPN2, the game is over.
Am I the only one getting LLWS instead of USA v Mexico?
Its on ESPNews until this game gets over with.
Np, everyone is.
Whoever is playing left back needs to be taken out immediately. He is geeting us killed.
Castillo needs to get back. Also it doesn't help that Beckerman is doing lots of standing around on dead balls.
1-0 Mexico.... Really a bad bounce for the US. Good defending by Bradley yet still found the back of the net.
Mexico's pressing off the ball is killing the Nats. Can't work the ball around nearly fast enough
Someone please explain to me why Beckerman is on this team? He is freaking awful. He doesn't try to win balls back, stands around all the time, and gives the ball up way too easily. Waste of space out there.
He wouldn't be playing if Edu didn't get hurt. I think his dreads are slowing him down. Sorry Beckerman not everyone can have awesome dreads and be fast like Denard.
How does no one get a card there?
This is a very experimental lineup without much attacking prowess. I hope there are some changes at the half.
well, it can't get much worse then being dominated by your rival at home, so nowhere to go but up for Klinsman.
Didn't realize there were so many soccer fans here
you've been on this forum for almost two years and haven't noticed this?
If Castillo ever gets another call up to the USMNT, Klinsmann needs to be fired on the spot. This guy is pathetic. His club is probably happy he got called up because he isn't with them playing like trash. He is so bad at so many aspects of the game, I'm not even going to waste my time posting them all. Seriously, he may be one of the worst players I have ever seen.
at least he isn't Bornstein? I would like to see Lyod in the second half. Also, is anyone else surprised Adu isn't even on the bench?
Beckerman is having a terrible game as well. We have issues at left back, lichaj might be our best option.
wow i just poseted talking about this sorry sack. Let somebody else get the run in the second half. Pathetic
you've clearly never seen Robbie Findley play if Castillo is the worst you've ever seen.
Im sorry Edgar Castillo (number 2) sucks big time he has played terrible crosses has gotten lucky on a couple of occasion with his clears and he has played at least three balls out of bounds that could have been played foward.
His audition needs to end.
Or we are pointing out the obvious players that have no point of playing or being on the team.
I can understand the team as a whole not playing well since they only had 3 days if training together.
I'm just complaining about Beckerman and his general lack of awareness and competency.
This is the worst USMNT game I've seen in memory. Not only are we losing but it seems like we're just not doing anything....when we get the ball, just casually kicking it around in our own half rather than advancing it. They've been in Mexico's half of the field only like twice in the first half. How pathetic is that.
At least Ian Darke is doing the game
Got Univision on
Clearly the USA team needs Abby Wambach to score a header
none of the players on the field so far will be contributors in the future (near or distant) so I am really not concerned with their play.
Near future: not a chance any of these outfield guys sees significant playing time in the 2014 world cup
distant future: too much talent of the younger variety (Luis Gil, Josh Gatt, Marc Pelosi, Alejandro Guido, Conor Doyle...)
fantastic description of Jermaine Jones.
My new assessment of Kyle Beckerman is that he is a poor man's Ricardo Clark
We have players like Dempsey and Stu Holden that would make it hard for a player like Shea to see regular time.
Is able to hold the ball but is also prone to a couple of mind numbing mistakes each time he plays.
Torres is the only midfielder who can hold possession and has lots of creativity going forward.
Eh. He plays too slow. Intl soccer isnt the mexican league. Don't get me wrong, he's promising and should see more time, but right now, I'll take Holden when he gets healthy.
This is a bit off-topic in this thread but my question does not warrant a different thread, I don't think . . .
I'm watching Manchester City v. Manchester United on Fox Soccer Plus channel and am a bit confused as to who I should root for in the game. But a bigger issue is what club team I should support. I'm somewhat of a soccer virgin but have been staying up later than usual and watching random games on this Fox Soccer Plus channel. I think I want to support an English team but I don't even know what league to pay attention to . . . Premier League?
Any suggestions about which team(s) I should be sure to watch would be much appreciated.
The Spartans to Liverpool's Wolverines :)
Don't let that enrage you if you're a true Everton supporter - I follow Liverpool fairly closely, but I'm far from a true diehard at this point.
But I will say this, at the Liverpool blog I go to many of the commenter refer to Everton as 'our wee neighbors.' Granted, there's a subcurrent of respect behind it that I don't think most Michigan fans extend to Sparty.
I like your style, sir...
depends on what type of soccer you want to see....top of the table you're looking at teams like Chelsea, Man U, Aresenal, and Man City, with Man U being the obvious choice to repeat with their upgrades. Middle of the table you're looking at Fulham, Everton, Aston Villa, etc. It all depends on which players you like and what type of soccer you want to see.
Thanks for both of your responses. I appreciate it!
Do you think that the Premier League is the way to go? Or should I be looking elsewhere?
if your looking for convenience, then yes. the premier league is the only league with consistant games on US tv.
if you want better quality soccer, watch Germany or Spain. Bundislega is fun as hell to watch... but for me, there's nothing better than Spanish soccer. Im a diehard Barcelona fan, but I love Valencia, Villareal, Atletico. Bilbao is cool too because every one of there players was born and raised in the Basque region of Spain. and theyre good.
They do show La Liga matches on Espn too. I like watching the Bundesliga too, but you have to have GolTV to catch regular matches.
I personally like Fulham for the EPL because of Dempsey.
I'm not sure whether you're a Manchester fan or just only watched the EPL for one season, but totally omitting Liverpool from that list is a bit odd.
Great rivals, league, fans, players, stadium, and relevance.
You can never go wrong being a rossoneri.
USA ties it up!
Robbie Rogers?! WTF are you kidding me???
GOOOOALLLLLL Robbie Rogers... 1-1
Wow a very unlikely player, but I'll take it.
Im liking tha adjustments that we have made lately alot more agressive attacking
Shea's looked great since coming in.
Agreed, really has a way of finding the ball and making great runs. Also I really like the size he brings to the attacking midfield.
Why the f- can't they put names on the back of their jerseys? They want people to support the US team but this novice can't figure out who is who . . .
Thanks for the response. It makes sense, but its still annoying.
that could have been a penalty...
That was a fucking penalty
That one got me on my feet... They're really putting some pressure un now
God im loving what Brek Shea has brought today.
how was that not a red card?!
That us a fucking straight red. What a bunch of shit.
For the life of me, I don't know how someone can be THROWN DOWN and no Red is given. I dno't get it. I don't get it man
THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT RED ALL THE WAY.
How is that not a red!!!!???
I think he is actually trying to channel his inner Fernando Torres with that hair. He even has arm tats like Torres.
I should have known Torres would turn out to be kind of a pussy when I learned that he had tattoos on his arms in Tolkien Elvish script. I hope Shea's are unrelated to any fantasy-based languages.
Torres = The Spanish Shevchenko
The above site was fantastic back when its sole content for months was: "NO."
Of course, unlike Shevchenko Torres was a holy terror for three years in the EPL. But he certainly fit the bill now.
UNBELIEVABLE!!! TERRIBLE, this is one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a long time.
UUUgggh. Can't believe they didn't throw him away for that. Ref sux.
THAT SHOULD BE RED!
are the worst. The absolute worst.
Officials have always hated the US and never given them any calls
that is exhibit z of why Ricardo Clark should not be playing
shocking revelation!!!:: Ricardo Clark sucks!
What the hell happened at the 70' mark? Someone hit the 'on' switch...
Putting players in better positions. Kyle Beckerman actually turned up the energy towards the end and Brek Shea showed promise.
GG, nice to see that US tied it
Got some fight in this club
I'd much rather have someone shoot directly at the goalie than miss the net wide. And by wide, I mean 32 yards wide.
Aguedelo was great as well. Both were in the center of every dangerous US move.
yeah he and Shea could be very nice pieces for us in 2014
Donovan-->"I don't think the ref was quite up to speed."--HAHA!
Is clearly in good hands with klinsmann
Glad we at least made second half adjustments, something that seems like it never happened under Bradley.
Also, Shea is a baller. Hopefully we see a lot more of him in the future. I don't know what people see in Altidore, I'd rather have Shea out there than him.
Anyone know why Freddie Adu wasn't on the roster tonight?
EDIT: Robbie Rogers is a baller too and hopefully we see more of him. Not only did he finish on that great set-up from Shea, but, he made that great run towards the end that the Mexican player should've got red carded for.
...this ends Ricardo Clark's tenure with the team.
It is so great to be able to complain about officiating instead of Bob Bradley after a game.
In my opinion, going forward Klinsmann needs to go to a 4-1-3-1-1 for the games that he wants to be attacking, which based on his history is every game. The back four is TBD and this is just my opinion on one possible group, and the holding mid can be anyone of Edu/Bradley/Beckerman, then you go Dempsey-Torres-Shea across the mid, Agudelo up top and Donovan sitting just behind in the #10 position, giving him the freedom to roam and make all the plays he is capable of.
When Holden get back in form he has to be on the field somewhere.
Like what you have in the 11, but I still think Holden and Bradley will be there also, in some way.
Swap Bradley for Torres and I am with you... Torres to sub for Bradley later in the game when he has more time on the ball. When Holden is healthy again, slide him in for Bradley.
Lichaj for Castillo seems like a NO BRAINER as Castillo was atrocious last night.
Otherwise, this proposed lineup is 100% what I was hoping for and was shouting at my TV to see when Donovan and Torres were on the wings with Buddle alone up top; let's hope that is the last time we see that, even when Altidore is back in September.
Also, did anyone find a link to Mike Bradley's thoughts on playing for the coach that replaced his dad? His scowl last night was no joke, although he always seems to be scowling (which I like in general)...
Given the situation, I'm mpressed by orozco as well. He was kind of thrown in there without much prep or any recent time with the USNT (has he ever played CB for the full natl team?) He kept things pretty quiet at the back, esp with the castillo disaster going on.
Brek Shea showed great composure on the ball and had a fantastic pass to Rogers for the goal.
Once Donovan got into more of a creator role, he distributed and defended much better.
Juan Agudelo continues outplaying every other US striker.
The US back line makes the 2010 Michigan secondary look like a brick wall of inpenetrable force.
Castillo, especially, was just awful.
Agree on castillo, but thought the others in back did well, especially given the situation. Mexico's goal was mostly on Bradley and other than the marquez header, they really didn't have any clear cut chances.
I agree especially with your Orozco post above. Luckily we have Lichaj that will probably lock down the left back position.
I actually think Castillo is better than how he played tonight, but he might have played himself out of contention. We should give someone like Zach Loyd a shot to see how he preforms. He played pretty well in a friendly early in the year.
i'd rather have dempsey on the left and I'd start Bedoya over Brek Shea at this point. Its nice to know we have Shea to come off the bench, but he isn't a starter yet. Niether is Agudelo. I love the kid, but he's not ready to start against premier competition.
And Jose Torres is ok. Stewey Holden will lock down a midfield position.