OT: Urban Meyer, Character Witness
As you've probably heard, Ray McDonald of the Bears was arrested over the weekend for what appears to be a despicable domestic-violence incident. The Bears are rightly being criticized for signing McDonald in the first place - knowing his past - but according to this article, "Chairman George McCaskey defended the move, saying that he got all the assurances he needed from McDonald's college coach (at Florida), Urban Meyer."
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/5/26/8659539/chicago-bears-ray-mcdonal…
Way to go, Urban Meyer.
Aaron Hernandez; 31 player arrests at Florida; and on and on. Why would any mother send her son to play for this guy?
she swung first = it's ok to hit (or attempt) to hit her.
And characterizing his attack as a "shove" is a passive way to highlight your defense of his despicable actions.
Sorry - but you're wrong.
You know damn well that wasn't even close to what I was saying. I said he reacted to something she did. As I put very plainly his reaction, even if it was a spur of the moment, emotional refllexive action was something he couldn't do and was wrong. I also called his suspension right and something he earned.
I called it a shove because that is what it looked like on the video. Nothing more nothing less. It is grainy so it is possible it wasnt' a shove but that is what it looked like.
Don't go around passing bullshit just because I say this is not on the level of other examples brought up. It ain't right but it's not the other stuff either.
Be careful... Glass houses and all. Just because our issues weren't captured on film doesn't make them any less damming.
the event it was captured on film, the player was dismissed (see C'sonte York):
... forgot about that one. I do think York's crime is much worse, though. Not saying if that happened at OSU to a starter (or at UM to a starter) it would result in the same outcome, but the severity is an order of magnitude worse.
Jim Harbaugh, who drafted Carlos Hyde out of OSU, would like to have a word with you.
(the 2014 draft), JH was at odds with the 49ers over his lack of control. That's a big reason why JH and the 49ers parted ways.
is a great follow. Florida might be the worst state in the union. I call it the "2nd chance state". If you were born in Florida then your parents weren't. It's where you flee when you've worn out your welcome everywhere else. It's basically where hope goes to get raped by demons.
Let's pretend like the almighty do no wrong Jim Harbaugh didn't back him up the first time.
"Chairman George McCaskey defended the move, saying that he got all the assurances he needed from McDonald's college coach (at Florida), Urban Meyer."
The Bears messed up. Period.
How about we realize that this man has never been convicted of anything. I am an attorney in Santa Clara County and I am familiar with the facts of his case, and the procedures in general. If they had evidence to support her claim he would have been prosecuted.
That's all nice and lawerly (and true), but violent crimes against women are always difficult to prosecute. Fear and pressure can change a lot of testimony in cases where that's all to go on.
James Hardy - the newest violent offender (a.k.a. Dallas Cowboy).
I have people who have worked under me that come to work do their job well and then go and do bad things. If someone asks me what can I say about them and I report they came to work on time performed well and were an asset in the work place then am I a bad person for not focusing in on their actions apart from their job? Most charachter issues bleed over into the work place but when violence is part of your job it is hard to say as a coach "He plays a little too aggressivly." The Bears knew this guys history. Urban doesn't need to tell them that. He probably told them what his experience was with him at Florida. Hasn't Michigan had players who were great while in college and then transformed into idiots after going pro?
we can't say much and I'm not counting the Gator Bowl.
Maybe this is the year? Gotta play a near perfect game like Bo and team did in '69.
But are you counting the Citrus Bowl?
What about the Capital One bowl!
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So we need to beat him, but we're not counting the time we... Beat him? Sounds a bit revisionist.
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I mean frank Clark did the same thing so let's slow down here. Is he a slimeball? Yeah probably. Is he the worst person in the world? No. This is the world of athletics that we live in. Anyone who thinks any team is 100% clean is being naive. Now, obviously domestic violence is awful, but you can't always hold the coach accountable for "not seeing it coming". They spend almost no time with these kids out in their everyday lives.
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Clark was dismissed from the team. Sorry - bad analogy there.
Didn't Ray McDonald keep playing for some Harbaugh guy while being investigated for two other crimes? Glass houses, brotha.
Suspension ultimately comes from them, not the coach, as was the case in college for Urban. In any case, McDonald's earlier incident was questionable and no charges were ever even filed. After the November incident, which raised suspicion again, the 49ers did promptly get rid of McDonald--in fact, even before he was arrested.
Harbaugh is on record saying that he wouldn't suspend him because they respect due process.
They would've thrown their weight around immediately. Not trying to make Harbaugh blameless, but there were a lot of variables keeping McDonald on the field as long as he's collecting a paycheck.
A coach can't decide who plays and who doesn't? Go back up to that quote on the SI cover page.
The Harbaugh guzzling on this forum is reaching stupid levels now...
He got kicked off the 49ers and Harbaugh didn't vouch for his character.
I assume Harbaugh could've benched the guy anyway, but do you see that sitting well with the Players Union? At any rate, he was eventually not charged (not same as innocent) for the offense.
Also, he was only being investigated for the one offense while he was still playing, which he was not charged for. The other was in the offseason after he called the police because his girlfriend pulled a gun out on him.
The team was finally smart to release him after the third offense in December.
At Fla, much evidence of crminal wrongdoing was initially hushed up. So, the public did not widely learn about the extent of wrongdoing until much later---especially after Urban's former player--the now convicted murderer, Hernandez--was arrested. It can take a while to realize the true character of Urban's players. Also, is it so far fetched to believe that stories of player misconduct are being buried in Columbus as they were in Fla? As I recall, the RB Dunn was found with drugs in his car, his GF implicated him in a video, but nothing came of it. Are the Columbus police are any less beholden to the FB team than were the Fla ones?
Also, I wonder if/when the Fla police will finally get around to questioning Hernandez about a yet unsolved (and still being investigated) drive by shooting there many years ago. It was perpetrated by a man fitting the description of Urban's ex-TE. I wonder if Urban will be called as a witness---since he was told of the incident. He did nothing after Hernandez refused to speak with the police. As Hernandez second trial approaches--the one for a double murder--I am sure we will hear a lot more about his past and possibly the conduct of Urban.
From ProFootballTalk. Link below.
A witness to the shooting does not identify Hernandez by name, but the witness said the shooter was a “‘Hawaiian’ or ‘Hispanic’ male who had a large muscular build, stood about 6-foot-3 or 6-foot-4, weighed about 230 or 240 pounds and had a lot of tattoos.”
Here’s the relevant portion of the police report: “As they were waiting for the light to change, the Hawaiian football player and Reggie Nelson walked up to their car on the right side. Then without saying a work [sic], the Hawaiian pointed a small handgun in the front right window and fired five quick shots. [Randall] Cason saw [Corey] Smith slump over with blood coming out of the back of the head, at which time the Hawaiian and Nelson took off running towards McDonald’s.”
Cason later explained to police that, earlier in the week, his brother had gotten into an altercation with several Florida football players. Hernandez, Nelson, and Mike and Maurkice Pouncey had been in a Gainesville nightclub on the night of the shooting — even though Hernandez was still only 17 at the time.
According to the police report, Hernandez declined to talk to investigators, invoking his right to have counsel present.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/03/massachusetts-authoriti…
I'm not sure where this falls in the spectrum of "employment" law since college athletes are not technically employees but my guess is that there is a correlation.
By (company, and subsequently personal) rule I cannot discuss anything other than attendance and verify employment of a current or former employee with any potential new employer.
The Bears knew what they were getting ...
Meyer's track record at Ohio State has been better than it was at Florida. Will it be perfect, thats an unrealistic expectation on any campus .. we all know that.
Focus on beating him on the field and stop caring for whatever has happened or will happen off of the field.
Ray McDonald? The guy Jim Harbaugh said would play all year despite domestic abuse allegations and significant public outcry? The guy Jim Harbaugh coached for three years? That one?
The guy Harbaugh wouldn't talk positively about to the NFL team that drafted him.
It's okay, a good part of our fanbase is just so demoralized from OSU kicking our ass the past decade that they'll grasp at anything even when our own coach might be associated.
How refreshing. Did hell freeze over today?
fair enough
Urban Meyer and character witness go together about as well as Chuck Norris and good movie.
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Urban Meyer and Character Witness are in the same category as:
· Clearly confused
· Act naturally
· Deafening silence
· Pretty ugly
· Definitely maybe
· Alone together
· Random order
· Original copy
· Open secret
· Appear invisible
· Wake up dead
· True myth
· Naturally strange and
· Noticeable absence
All oxymorons.
These are some of the dumbest and most pointless threads.