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OT: The underbelly of CFB recuiting - good read

with recruiting being one of the few active CFB topics this time of year, thought everyone would enjoy reading this article from Texas Monthly exploring the seamier side of the process, especially the role of street agents and 7-on-7's.

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It wasn’t until three or four years ago ... that high school football was going the way of high school basketball. Basketball has long been overshadowed by the AAU, a league in which a high schooler often plays for different coaches and with different teammates. AAU coaches become so influential, it’s argued, that they manage the recruitment of players as their de facto agents.

The rise of 7-on-7’s has given Texas football its own shadow league, conducted outside the purview of high school and college coaches. “That’s when the kids are vulnerable. Especially the kids who don’t have very much money, maybe have parents who don’t understand what’s going on at home as much. They’re more vulnerable to someone who would try to come in and help them.” Mack Brown doesn’t just fear a shakedown. He fears a crack-up of the relationship between a player and his high school coach.

The real source of evil—the thing college football fans should fear—is the NCAA’s system of amateurism. It’s college football that puts a seventeen-year-old at an impossible disadvantage....In college recruiting, amateurism is a pair of handcuffs reserved for the person who needs help the most. The scary part isn’t that a seventeen-year-old football player would get himself an agent. The scary part is that, these days, he probably needs one.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/2012-08-01/feature4.php#

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July 21st, 2012 at 12:30 PM | It is a good read, and a bit (Score:1)
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It is a good read, and a bit frightening to see what recruits have to put up with.

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July 21st, 2012 at 12:38 PM | Relationship w HS coach (Score:2 Normal)
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I much preferred the, "shadow leagues" to high school. My high school coach, as both a coach and recruiting help, was very subpar to those I could choose in summer ball. If it weren't for summer leagues I would not have gotten D 1 offers.

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:13 PM | vote_crisler = desmond (Score:1 Normal)
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vote_crisler = desmond howard....welcome to the board dez...thanks for ur input

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July 21st, 2012 at 7:04 PM | I don't understand? (Score:1)
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Why does that make me Desmond Howard-like?

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:06 PM | The scary part (Score:3 Normal)
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The scary part isn’t that a seventeen-year-old football player would get himself an agent. The scary part is that, these days, he probably needs one.

That sums it up pretty nicely. Well written article; thanks for posting it.

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:23 PM | As a HS coach.... (Score:4 Normal)
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We don't want our kids performing in these 7on7 leagues because it doesn't help OUR team. I want my qbs practicing and scrimmaging with my receivers. It makes no sense to send them off to run different plays than what we'll be running on the fall.

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:38 PM | IMO... (Score:0 Flamebait)
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it's won't be long before hiring an agent won't be an NCAA infraction. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of one other job, club association, personal relationship or anything else where obtaining legal counsel is grounds for punishment from the organizing body. Out of all the ridiculous rules the NCAA has, this might be the most blatantly unethical/possibly illegal.

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:50 PM | not sure that 'legal counsel' is a completely apt (Score:2 Informative)
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characterization of an agent's role. I get where you are coming from, but agents--sadly--will not make the process less unseemly. 

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:59 PM | Eh. (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Most agents I can think of are lawyers and are definitely playing a role in where to best sign a contract (LOI). People wouldn't be very happy if the AMA or ABA told med/law school grads that their license would be suspended if they retained a lawyer trained in employment negotiations, and I can just imagine the lawsuits.

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July 21st, 2012 at 3:45 PM | Didn't know so many were lawyers; and you're right (Score:1)
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that these kids need counsel. Their rep is often not good, though, right?   

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July 21st, 2012 at 4:23 PM | There are a lot of bad apples. (Score:0 Offtopic)
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You hear about it every now and then, like with the guy in Florida with UNC football players. As I understand it, the pro leagues certify agents to work with their players, the NCAA could do the same within their guidelines or just go with the NFL/NBA process. The nice thing would be if the NFL and NCAA teamed up so that dirty agents risked losing NFL certification as well. I don't know how likely that is, but I think it could be possible.

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July 21st, 2012 at 2:35 PM | LItigation? (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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I would love to see a class action suit against the NCAA by either current players, former players, or high school students.  It's bad enough that the NCAA doesn't give them a slice of the pie, but they should at least allow the kids to make money from outside sources.  

I'm not an attorney, but I have a feeling that somewhere between antitrust and restraint of trade, someone can make a case that would scare the NCAA into a settlement and a change of their bylaws to take the "handcuffs" off of the players.

 

 

 

 

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July 21st, 2012 at 2:51 PM | Tater (Score:2)
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Stick to your conspiracy theories.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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July 21st, 2012 at 2:38 PM | agreed.. and it wont be long (Score:1)
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agreed.. and it wont be long before they start seeing money either.  Treat them like what they are, semi-pro athletes who make their institution a boat load of money

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July 21st, 2012 at 2:58 PM | I don't necessarely think... (Score:0 Offtopic)
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they'll ever see money from the school. What they probably will end up getting at some point is an employer/employee recognition for workers compensation and the like, and I think the NCAA won't be able to restrict hiring agents, compensation from outside sources or make money off likenesses.

Maybe I'm projecting my beliefs into what I think will happen, but I can see a lot of the NCAA's bylaws getting sued out of existence, and it looks like it's coming to a head. EA is getting ready to defend itself in court, I can see the same happening on some other NCAA fronts as well.

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July 21st, 2012 at 1:48 PM | between this and the yahoo piece on Miami (Score:1)
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I lose a little bit of what faith I have left. The bit in the Miami piece about the kid who spurned FSU after being taken to the Miami strip club really upset me. It's great that Michigan is a little more upright in its approach; it's great that Michigan has more to offer kids school-wise. But. . . invested as I have become in Michigan football the last few years, through the RR debacle and love for Denard. . . I'm also pretty turned off.  

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July 21st, 2012 at 2:33 PM | I think/hope.. (Score:3 Normal)
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I think (hope) that some governing body such as high school athletic associations steps in and does something to monitor the 7 on 7 thing. It's getting out of control. We are asking 17 year old kids to do more and more athletically, and we wonder why they have no real life skills once they get that D1 scholarship. I coach football on the west coast, and the culture being created by the push for recruitment is making high school football a business. It's disgusting. 

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July 21st, 2012 at 4:42 PM | A Bit Creepy (Score:2)
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Fans are hounding Manning too. Not long ago, a TCU fan saw him at Macy’s, recognized the name on his letter jacket from a recruiting website, and ran up to give him the Frog sign."

In the case they highlight - Justin Manning - what seems frightening to me is that he has to navigate this on his own, from  the sound of things. I cannot imagine being stalked by coaches or having representatives of another school show up at your mom's place of work,or indeed, not having a moment of rest  because reports want  to know your every move long before you graduate high school. Between things like this and the tweets from fans of various schools, it is little wonder that you keep hearing from some of them that they simply want to be done with recruitng after a certain point. Some of them seem like they harbor no excitement towards being recruited beyond the initial phase or so, and after reading this,  I don't blame them. 

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