UH says no to Forcier.
Apparently, there are still some grade issues among other concerns.
UH says no to Forcier.
Apparently, there are still some grade issues among other concerns.
Jesus, they were gonna let him go there, meet his requirements, then play in 2012. This kid seriously needs to get his act together, but I doubt he ever will... Entitlement is a hard thing to shake I guess when you have been told you are the best thing to ever happen to the world your entire life (ask lebron james or TP)
Last month, Forcier contacted the Warriors. Two weeks ago, Forcier and McMackin had a 1-hour telephone conversation during which Forcier was offered an official recruiting trip. A condition of the trip was UH's receipt of Forcier's transcripts.
UH received the transcripts this past Friday.
Well ordering official transcripts from UM does take 2 weeks, but you would think he'd have one or two handy.
Official transcripts are ones sent directly from the University to the other requesting university, job, etc...(except in very rare cases). One which someone can just carry around and have handy for whatever is an unofficial transcript and is about as worthless as walking into a bank to cash a check that the other person didn't sign.
No snark intended here, but do people really still care enough to follow his situation?
I wish Tate well just like I wish all athlete's I've followed well (save Boren and probably a few others)
It's the offseason and I appreciated the update, but his situation is just sad. He's got one of these:
It's approaching trainwreck status: you know how it will end, but you can't look away.
The world was this kid's oyster, and he chose to be immature and squander opportunities. People treat college students like they are still kids, and I find that ridiculous. He's not a kid. He's a grown man and he should act as such.
There are many causes deserving of sympathy. This is not one of them.
I wouldn't consider being 18 years old a grown man by any means. A lot of people have trouble adjusting to being away from home with no supervision for the first time. As hard as that is for the average college student, I can't imagine going through all of that plus being the starting QB for U of M and being a Heisman hopeful at one point though I'm sure he wasn't the most grounded person in the world to begin with. The guy messed up and it looks like its going to be following him for a long long time.
There are lots of kids younger than Forcier that work full time to support their own parents/family (instead of the other way around). Knowing this, I don't have much sympathy for Forcier. He was born with a gift and honed it only to throw it all away. Its sad, but he really has no one to blame but himself.
True but how many people would have trouble dealing with the amount of hype he got after the ND game. He screwed up mightily and he reaped what he sowed but I wish the guy the best and hope the mistakes he made as a guy straight out of high school doesn't haunt him for the rest his life.
I wish him no ill-will and hope he succeeds. But when "hype" is your biggest concern in life, I have trouble feeling sorry for you.
There are now, and were a lot before them, "kids" barely 18 years old serving in the military that have way more resposibility than Tate Forcier had trying to get his team a first down in a game.
I didn't mean to insinuate that Tate's life as been hard or what he has gone through is anything remotely close to the hardships that many people his age as had to endure but I was simply stating that his personal hardships aren't that unique and were magnified and intensified by his position and profile.
I get you. I'm not a religious guy but the phrase "Everyone carries their own cross" comes to mind. It's not easy to go from being the shit on to well a second thought at 18 or 19. It seems like he has some mental health issues as well.
His world turned when he did not prepare himself as well as he should have for the 2010 season. His next turn came when RR declared Denard starting QB, deservingly so, as we all saw him run around defenses. His third turn came when he sat on the bench completely uninterested in that first game. The final straw came at the end of the season when he no longer qualified scholastically.
I, too, wish Tate well. It is he who I will always have engrained in my mind raising his hands with the football as he outran the ND defense and crossed the goal line at the south end of Michigan Stadium in 2009. He was spectacular that day. Without his performance, we would not have won that game.
That said, had Bo been his coach, he wouldn't have made it the rest of the 2010 season the way he sat the bench for game one.
I do hope he gets his college life in order. Only then may he still have a chance at some football. If he can come back from this, he should do well in the real world.
He's not a kid. He's a grown man and he should act as such.
Cognitive research argues otherwise. Your frontal lobe (responsible for reflection/foresight) does not reach something approaching full maturity until your mid-20s. However, I can't understand why Forcier's parents are such freaks, trying to live their dreams through their kids.
Are still college kids. We all felt that way. Then in the next ten years, we realize how NOT adult we were, and how good we had it.
He could have really had a lot of fun over there: inferior competition, passing offense, and lots of island girls. Hawaii was made to order for him.
this kid just can't catch a break. However, you have to create your own breaks sometimes and he's just not getting his head right. It's a shame....he can definately compete somwhere.
I'd say he caught a ton of breaks. He got a full ride scholarship to the University of Michigan where he can get a first rate education for free. He also had his helmet wings taken away and then earned them back and got back on the team. I would say that's another break he caught when many coaches could have just said "leave", like when Carr would throw transfer papers at a kid and tell him if he doesn't want to put in the work then he's free to go. I don't pity Tate Forcier. Not one bit.
Except for one thing. If you can't study in Ann Arbor in the winter, how the hell was he ever going to buckle down and study when it's 80 degrees, sunny and the island girls are beckoning to the beach?
Morning + winter + 15 minute walks = missed classes in Ann Arbor
Depends on what or who on the beach you're studying.
Not OT. Proof:
How embarrassing. That's really the best way to describe it.
It's kind of hard for me to feel sorry for the kid. He finds himself in this situation because he couldn't buckle down and put in the work, either athletically or academically. He comes from a decent, well-off family and never experienced hard times growing up, so he really has no excuse. It's true that not every 18 year-old can be expected to make all the right choices all the time, but when the roster is full of great, hard-working kids who are making the most of their opportunity to play football at a Big Ten school while earning a world-class degree, I can't muster much sympathy for those who didn't seem to appreciate their good fortune.
no distractions in Hawaii.
The Forcier family is fucked.
Wow...such a sad saga I really really liked the kid during his time here but at some point the fact that these schools are turning him down is a reflection upon himself as a person, he really needs to hit the JUCO circuit get his shit together and then think about a major college transfer if indeed that is his ultimate goal.
For what it's worth if he DID get his act together I'd take him back on our team in second. I havent forgotten Notre Dame, Indiana or the Illini.
I think I'm holding out for a fourth year academic miracle drive...
Where's the "classy" modification when you need it? Oh well, I hope you don't mind getting an "underrated".
Forcier seemed like a fairly intelligent guy, so he should be able to perform well enough during a year at a JUCO to subsequently satisfy the academic expectations of lots of universities with football programs. If he wants to solve his relatively small problem, he can do it. I wish him the best.
How is dancing around with head phones "being your own problem"? The problem wasn't Tate having an outside the box personality it was that he didn't go to class. Leave the eccentric people alone!
This is why I don't believe in home schooling.
Tim Tebow is a reason I DO believe in home-schooling.
Neither example should be the reason you do or do not do it.
Tim Tebow is the reason I believe in circumcision.
Tim Tebow is a tool. Your argument is invalid.
Oh, so you've met him?
But it he had met him he'd be a better person for the 5 minutes they'd spent together
//Also, I definitely love that Stewie is looking up at him and read your question in a Stewie voice in my head
Yeah we circumcised kids together in the Phillippines. Total dick.
It was circumcised?
Just found this quote in an old MGo post, taken from an ESPN article:
On Fridays in the fall, Tate Forcier doesn't feel like going to school. The night's game is on his mind, and the quarterback for Scripps Ranch High in San Diego can't imagine studying a textbook rather than studying a defense. No big deal. "I'll tell my teacher, 'I have a game today,'" Forcier said. "He'll say, 'That's fine; you don't have to come.' And I'll go to my football school and watch film all day."
very telling that this was written when he was in high school...
University of Hawaii: Newest inductee into the Forcier Hall of Shame.
I hope that kid gets his act together and lands someplace. Lay off the weed, go to class, crack a book now and again. That's Feat of Clay's 3-step program for college success.
Then, maybe he can find somewhere to use his last 2 years of eligibility. But, it's NOW or NEVER time for Mr. Forcier. Sink or swim. Grow up or stay a kid the rest of his life.
The kid needs to go to a small school. Division 2 or 3 preferably. The kid needs to get a lot of attention to make sure he doesn't get lost like he clearly did at Michigan.
Remember he was home-schooled because of some academic issues. I think the kid needs to get into an environment where it will be almost impossible for him to get lost.
You can get an awesome education at Michigan but if you want to mess around, there's not much to stop you. That's not quite the same case at smaller schools.
This is way past playing football at a high level. That's done, buddy. Get a good education with a football scholarship and have a nice life.
If I recall, he was home-schooled in the first place because he had messed up his grades in HS badly enough that he wouldn't graduate with his class unless something changed. Clearly, he didn't learn that lesson.
Hopefully, he can turn things around.
I think Tate needs to forget football and just learn how to be a student. He clearly can't function as both. There's no guarantee you're going to make it to the NFL with your size...at least get a decent education from a good school so you can do something.
I'm sure your family can afford tutorial help if you would only take advantage of it while you keep honing your football skills. You've got the ability to be one of the best. I certainly appreciate what you did for Michigan football.
I wish him well but come'on...the kid had that "you lift me up coach" moment right after the "Josh-Groban-Kumbaya-Disaster" with RR. Just a complete douche move. Next, he cued up that BS of an interview before the bowl game on how he had changed and blah blah blah...He has had plenty of chances to get his head on straight. T-Wolf was so right about him. Time to pay the piper and eat some humble pie Tator!
He's got big time academic problems, I work in a academic center at a FCS school in northern california keeping kids eligible and I can say with certainty that the only way this kid is such a big academic liability is that he completely screwed up his own situation.
The only way he could be deemed ineligible for the bowl game and then become such a big liability for his next school is that he completely screwed up in a few way:
1.He must have had an ugly freshman year, which would be somewhat understandable as adjusting to college in the first place is hard, much less in a place like Michigan which is not academically easy, and then adjusting to living in a different state, and then being expected to carry the load of a new offense by a coach know for not being very sympathic to young kids' needs.
2. Because of that bad first year, he must of been on some kind of academic probation or special watch list, and knowing what kind of reporting system we have at my school, I'm sure UM's support system for its student-athletes is just as good, meaning I'm sure he had at least one personal academic mentor within the student-athlete academic center who then had at least one supervisor asking him every other day how Tate was doing and then performing grade checks and most likely speaking personally to his teachers. So even with this amount of support he was still screwing up. (Once again I have no personal knowledge of UM's academic support system, but this is what we do at my school which has nowhere near the same resources or standards as UM so I feel it is safe to assume UM has the same if not more support practices).
3. Because of the attention paid to him by the athletic department I'm sure he worked up quite a reputation for himself amongst the faculty who I'm sure don't like to give breaks to athletes, so he was on double watch.
4. He then proceeded not to go to class, do any homework, not show up for tests, and ignore any advances from his teachers (if there were any). This would have the effect of his teachers giving him straight F's (or E's as we do at UM) instead of incompletes which would help facilitate his transfers much easier.
5. He therefore must of been lying to his mentor, teachers, and coaches about his schoolwork and burnt every last bridge at UM.
6. Talk to any regular student who has had similar academic trouble with UM and they can tell you they can be rather vindictive to students who burn bridges and make it hard for them to find a new school.
7. Add this all up and Tate has dug himself a very deep hole which his athletic ability will not help him get out of, and he has put himself in this position.
8. Finally if UH denied him so quickly he must have serious issues, this the same school who took in Colt Brennan who had much more serious problems AFTER he went to a JC so it seems like Tate has few other options if any.