OT: Tyrann Mathieu and Jordan Jefferson arrested
This may be the greatest thing I have ever seen. I may be in love with LSUFreek
Is a true artist!
Forbidden love...and Honey Badger don't care.
More LSUfreek genius.
Les' message that you're just supposed to chew the grass, not SMOKE it!
im gonna bookmark this post just so when the old voting system is back i can give you more than 5 fucking points.
Second only to Kate dancing.
So much for redemption. I believe we have seen the last of The Honey Badger in D1 football
I keep hearing marijuana is not addictive, but I haven't heard anything about being addicted to stupid.
Anything that relieves stress and temporarily makes you forget about life is potentially addictive.
you're saying masterbation is addictive...ok, got it.
Hi my name is 5th And Long and it's been twenty three...minutes...since my last...
hooray for weak psychological addictions!
effects of marijuana withdrawal may include: irritability and restlessness. that's it.
"new breed" is changing that a little. This medical grade stuff (both pill and leaf) is both different from what they had at woodstock and much more easily available than any "illegal" drug has ever been. True, that drug like material that you used to buy in high school from a guy named Tony, Chase, or Marty that included one part lettuce and two parts parsley was not the least bit addictive, but I don't think you can say the same about what is out there now.
I'm 28 years old; I don't know what kind of mexican bush weed they were smoking at Woodstock, but I smoked the good shit in college on a daily basis and had to quit for work when I graduated. I was grumpy for 2-3 weeks. That was it. Weak psychological addiction and nothing more.
older than that and know about "the good shit" you are referring to. It has gotten better. And whether or not it is addictive does not turn on whether you term it psychological, physical, mental, physical, or otherwise, it depends on internal and environmental factors unique to the individual. I do not discount the fact that Matthews could actually be "addicted" to weed, just as I don't dismiss the fact that Tiger Woods could actually have been addicted to sex. And I have seen weed addiction, it does not look like meth addiction, but it can shape lives.
Your first argument was that the new breed of stronger and readily available weed factors into its addictive qualities. Now you're arguing that it's internal and environmental factors.
first argument was that weed had gotten stronger. You argued back that you had smoked good weed and did not get addicted, therefore, weed is not addictive. I argued back that you cannot declare weed to be not addictive based on the fact that you, yourself, did not become addicted.
are you high right now?
or maybe I just sit around and identify obscure but dispositive semantical distinctions within arguments because it is really fun.
I'm using myself as an example. There are plenty of studies that back that assertion. The effects of marijuana withdrawal are extremely minor when compared to other drugs, including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine.
And I never claimed it's not addictive, just that it's a weak psychological addiction
it is settled. Weed, sex, and masturbation are all awesome, and also potential psycologically addictive given the right environment. I could see this consensus coming a mile away.
So let it be written!
Honey Badger loves himself some weed.
I'm not gonna argue for or against it, but honestly - how does this kid keep on getting caught?
It appears that someone just doesn't get it.
Honey Badger better learn to give a shit.
I'm pretty sure he don't give a shit. I think I learned that in a well narrated documentary...
Good bye D1 football and probably the NFL. Who's going to give him another chance.
Is that a serious question? There are murders and wife-beaters playing in the NFL. I'd wager every team has at least one player with a "serious" conviction (say, DUI and up). Hell, Michigan has consistent marijuana abusers playing.
Is Sports Illustrated front page the new Madden curse?!?!?
"Police say they were called to the apartment complex after receiving a complaint about a man, who later was identified as the 22-year-old Jefferson, forcing his way through the security gate before going to Mathieu's apartment." - from the article
Because the way to keep all this secret is to have someone do something conspicuous which results in a complaint, right? I would have to think that Mathieu and football and perhaps even college have just now parted ways, at least on a level where anyone would take notice (e.g., D-1 football). It is really a waste, but he doesn't seem to have any self-discipline to speak of.
I have a friend who watched them get arrested. He said that the gate they "forced" through is never locked, all you have to do is push it and walk inside.
First couple times you think, no big deal, just a kid, a pseudo- superstar, he'll learn. Next few times he's caught its: Wtf are you thinking? You're royally blowing it here, kid. Kicked off the team and going to rehab, seemed like a total waste of talent, but maybe he can turn it around. Now? He has to be about the dumbest kid in America to blow such a golden opportunity on something so trivial for the same reason over and over again.
Jim Carrey has some advice for you:
between "use" and "abuse". His addiction is destroying his life. There's a Radiohead lyric that always comes to my mind in these situations:
"You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you and no one else
You do it to yourself"
Yea when you keep getting caught for the same thing, leave it alone. Its plenty of people who smoke weed everyday and have never got caught. He needs to change his circle and start making better decisions. I hate for talent to waste itself away like that.
What a talented little F-up. So, those rumors of Petrino on a motorcycle heading down I-75 to Gainesville with the Honey Badger in the sidecar apparently weren't true. And I wonder if Jefferson will continue to play for Montreal after his arrest.
It's true Mathieu has advantages not afforded to others because of his athletic ability but he was dealt a losing hand from birth. His father has been in prison for murder since Mathieu was very young and played a very limited role in his life. His father also had substance abuse problems that derailed a promising football career. His mother couldn't handle the situation and gave him to his grandparents and later his aunt and uncle. By all accounts, his aunt and uncle gave him opportunity but he hasn't been able to capitalize on it because he remains loyal to friends who are going nowhere.
It seems like a simple choice to a responsible adult; friends and lifestyle that guarantee a life similar to his father or the straight and narrow with an education and a chance at NFL millions. Not a simple choice to a kid who remains loyal to friends who were there when he had nothing. Especially when he is predisposed to substance abuse.
Mathieu isn't guaranteed to go down the wrong path but his decisions over the past year (and probably before that) are rapidly closing the window of opportunity that his athletic talent opened.
I signed in for the first time in 7 months just to say Niiiiiiice.
so much for turning over a new leaf
One could say his future NFL career has been nipped in the bud.
He did turn over a new leaf. It's just that it's a marijuana leaf.
If "normal college kids" got full rides, articles written about them in SI and almost guarenteed millions in their chosen field upon graduating I'll bet they could refrain from smoking pot until they were out of school.
Does the band get drug tested?
Pretty sure no but the results would be interesting as Hell if they were...
in your fantasy marching band league? Gotta go tuba, unless you start two clarinets.
Uhhh, not sure if srs? Nobody in the band gets a full ride. They actually have to PAY a lab fee to be in the band. And not many smoke anyway. They usually just stick to heavy drinking.
He really shouldn't have to abstain, provided he can maintain his schoolwork and football time. He should have just been smarter about it. I'd venture a guess that most college football players smoke pot. To think that I could have easily pissed away my future when I was his age, had I been caught is a scary thought to me. I'm just baffled that the kid can be so dumb as to get caught that many times.
I'd be taking that bet in a heartbeat.
Never forget that these ARE normal college kids. They might be talented, they might have been given a scholarship, they might get articles written about them, they might have some sweet job prospects out of school, but they are still normal adolescents. Their brains develop just like every other human male child's brain develops. They will still vary along the normal spectrum of cautious vs. foolhardy like other college kids. Maybe the funnel that leads you to Division I football will narrow that variation a bit (i.e. the most timid-natured kids probably aren't going to be on the team) but still. NORMAL KIDS with the NORMAL ranges of teenage/young adult behavior. Some of them are dumbasses, sure. But let's not put them on an abnormal pedestal of expectations.
So I don't smoke weed or get myself in situations where I'm around harder stuff. It's really not that difficult.
I'm not saying I believe it should be the same for the NFL, or that "normal college kids" don't smoke a lot and that some even do hard drugs, but he knew the situation he was in. I don't really see how the NFL and LSU Football are especially draconian in all this.
"Normal college kids" experiment. Sure. But then they get wise and stop, or don't get wise, and get booted out of school. How is this any different, at all?
I had friends that did a little weed once, stopped, and were fine. I also had friends that didn't stop, got caught, and were kicked out of school. That's how it works.
You have to be pretty unfortunate or just plain retarded to get caught. You actually sound like someone who has never even known a single person who has tried weed never mind smoked regularly.
I don't think that's how it works at all. Do you have any idea how many "normal", highly (pun maybe intended) functional and successful people smoke pot? It isn't as simple as "you wise up or get kicked out of school", not by a long shot.
Do you know any normal college kids that got caught and arrested multiple times for drugs? Did they continue doing drugs? And get caught again?
I've never smoked, plenty of friends had. Whether you agree with it or not it's illegal and therefore there are consequences.
I won't say that I've never broken the law, but I've never been caught breaking the law either. He has. He continues to do it, and thus must deal with the consequences.
but he's got some very negative family history that seems to be sucking him back into the muck. He coulda been a contender...
Let's be real, he'll still get a shot in the NFL. He just won't make nearly as much money because he almost certainly won't be drafted.
Dumb move on his part. Know that this is breaking the rules, it is stupid as such a high profile athlete. The other issue is that marijuana being illegal is a joke. Not only is it harmless, but, more importantly, people should have the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies.
I like drugs, but I don't think the "I should be able to do what I want with my body argument," is great when it comes to really addictive substances, which of course weed is not, but it becomes a slippery slope.
I understand your perspective, but will still disagree. I would never touch heroin, and it is not a rational or moral decision for an individual. The law, though, is not supposed to enforce individual people's morals, it is intended to protect individual rights.
And to protect the functioning of society as a whole, and the safety of people within that society. Can't have sixteen year olds getting hooked on smack because it's legal now due to a "Don't tell me what I can and can't put in my body" statute. That's not good for anybody, and has wide ranging consequences for many different levels of society. Personal freedom doesn't seem to work well with addictive substances because the substance itself takes away that freedom to a certain degree.
You may not touch certain drugs, but there are many people who will, whether it be lack of education about the substance, societal influence, or some other circumstance. And once you've touched certain drugs a couple times, it can be over. Drugs are a different animal that way. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with the moral freedom thing.
I understand that a goal is to protect "society as a whole". Society is a collection of individuals, who all have a right to their own lives. As long as I don't intrude on your rights, society will be functioning properly. If you are referring to violence and crime as a result of drug abuse, the clear reason for that is the actual enforcement of the war on drugs. End that war, and market for drugs will be just like any other product, and violent crimes won't result.
Also, I didn't neg you for the record. I appreciate you expressing a viewpoint.
the NFL just doesn't care if you smoke weed. He'll be drafted, just not as high (haha) as before. He'll make money and be able to smoke all the good weed he can buy.
His LSU days are probably over, he could go FCS but all he really has to do is keep himself in football shape, do well in the combines and he'll be drafted.
Do we know that though? He was a special teams sensation, sure, but was he really that great of a DB that he's a sure-fire draft pick? He had all the hype, but in reality he was the second or third best DB on his team.
Now he's a guy who took a year off from football, lacks ideal NFL size, and has repeated off the field issues. I'm not about to bet that he won't get drafted, but I wouldn't bet that he does either. If he gets drafted at all, it won't be very high.
S.E.C! S.E.C! S.E.C!
I was gonna go to class, but then I got high...
I coulda cheated and I coulda passed, but I got high
I could have been a millionaire, but I gotta get high...
He will be another Pac Man Jones in the NFL if he makes it. Able to make a few great plays that get on highlight reels but easy to burn with regular plays.
You guys did notice that in January UA AJ McCarron purposefully threw to whatever receiver he was covering. That was not a mistake.
I am amazed that he fell this far, this fast. Usually teams find a way to keep these guys out of trouble at least until they graduate. For a guy to go from Heisman contender to jail in less than a year is amazing and incredibly sad.
Who said anything about jail?
We ain't play school
You know what blows me away? The amount of people who get caught smoking weed. And I'm not some anti-weed guy either, I love me some bud. But for some reason, when I do it, I don't decide to go out, climbing fences and getting into trouble. Can't Matthieu get a back of Doritos and either a video game or a Planet Earth blu-ray and call it good? In all of my pot smoking days, I never knew anyone who got caught.
I understand getting caught driving drunk, not that I condone it, but I understand. Most people like to drink at places away from their homes, and then they need to get home. But smoking weed? Meth causes you to do stuff worthy of getting the cops called. Weed makes you giggle and eat, that's about it.