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OT - TTU fires Leach
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I don't like to link people away from this site. I think all the info anybody should need can be found here. (Hey Irish how do I correctly portray sarcasm?)
So Texas Tech will see Leach's lawsuit and raise him a "you're fired, gtfo." Ouch. So either the electrical closet story was true or Leach did something else awful.
Or it gave them a reason to save some money.
I'm wondering if TT was angered that Leach sued, as opposed to letting the administration move at their own pace. It is possible he really angered the AD and the President when he filed that suit and challenged them. Leach seems to think he's a Bear Bryant, Bo or Bowden and can challenge the AD. Maybe it finally caught up with him.
The amount TTU would have owed him if he was the coach on December 31. Interesting, because this was brought up by his lawyer last night on Sportscenter.
That's really not that much money, especially when you're talking about a coach that put TT football on the map and helped boost attendance considerably. Besides, they'll probably end up having to buy him out.
for the next 4 years
severance buyout still work if the school fires him with "cause"??? as the article says that the letter that was handed to leaches lawyer said that TT was a firing him cause... this might be a loop hole not to have to pay him that $400,000.00
both wire services I checked said that he was due the $400K either way.
Even if they don't have to buy him out (they most likely will do so in the legal settlement), it would be a really foolish rationale for firing him. TT has now just alienated its fanbase and there are calls all over the place to boycott TT games next season. There is a non-trivial chance they'll lose more money in unsold tickets next year than they could gain from firing him now. (And that could be a problem going forward, since they aren't likely to find a replacement coach of Leach's caliber.)
The $800k is a reason that, if they wanted to fire him, they should do so before the end of the year. It's not a reason to fire him in and of itself, though.
They just signed him to his contract in February, so obviously they had no problem with paying his salary. Something must have happened that made them change their mind from "this is a coach we want for five years" to "get the fuck out NOW."
It seems like there's more to the story. I can't believe the Mike James situation alone would cause the university to want to can a coach that they were thrilled to re-sign just months ago.
I guess you could say his career is in a dark place now.
His coaching and game planning skills are just lights out.
I guess now he's probably going to have a hard time getting his foot in the door somewhere.
him being a position coach or coordinator in the next couple years. I wonder if TT will try to get out of the money they owe him for firing him?
TTech's statement that he is fired "for cause" guarantees they will refuse to pay him the 800k he would have been due on Friday (coincidence?) and his recently signed contract extention.
The happiest man out there right now is Leach's agent/attorney. Bring on the lawsuits!
That is all.
According to The MGoEthics, "General NCAA news" is an appropriate topic of discussion on this site. This also happens to be a major NCAA football story that has a direct impact on one of our biggest rivals.
Aside from cluttering the board and making it more difficult to see what the actual topic is, unnecessary OT tags really bother me in an OCD type of way, and I'm not the only one, (Brian's reasoning is probably the former).
I can see why some might have negged me, but I wasn't trying to be a dick or going all grammar nazi on anyone. I just dropped a note trying to remind people that college football news is on topic.
But I still think that although it is major NCAA football news, it has no direct relation to M football or athletics in general. Thus, it seems appropriate as OT to me.
I didn't realize that TTU is one of our biggest rivals though.
Edit: I looked up the OT thread from Brian, and I stand corrected.
The lynch mob over at TTU is forming fast.
Edit: Also wasn't Craig James at SMU about the era of the bribes and everything that lead to the NCAA shutting SMU down hard? If so that makes it 2 for 2 for generations of James family taking part in the killing of programs. I wonder if we can get another James kid to go to tOSU.
Second Edit (my bad): A video of the shed has surfaced. I have to say, I'd call that a shed. If my kid played in a D-I program and had a concussion I'd expect something at least on par with the nurses office at my elementary school.
for the video. To me, if they put him in those rooms and had him relaxing, under supervision of trainers and by prescription of his docotor, that TT is really jumping the gun on Mike Leach. I'd have to believe that they have athletic offices or something that they could use for situations like this, but if they don't I can't say that it was as terrible as being locked in a electrical closet and shed.
Now if they do have rooms like they should and he was stuck in these rooms, then Mike Leach might have some explaining to do.
In the end, I believe Mike Leach will get a pretty big payday from TT because from the outside it looks like they are trying to fire him without cause.
As I surf around the TTU message boards, people are saying that James had a concussion and was ordered to stay home by the doctor. James showed up at practice with shades on, Leach had him confined in the unlit shed. The next day James pulled the same stunt and Leach had him confined again. If this is the case I can understand tossing the kid into the shed and letting him be bored for three hours. You don't want to spend time in the shed? Then don't show up when the doctor told you to stay home. Stay home and hang out with the XBox or whatever.
Some people are saying James wanted to transfer to SMU because he was third string on the TTU depth chart and an unhappy little punk.
Should have just sent him home and told him to come back when he is cleared to do anything.
Well if the doctor already told him to stay home, then by showing up the kid had disobeyed the orders of an authority figure on the team. So Leach has to do something. I agree though the first time the kid did it I would have sent the kid home.
As others have been saying, Leach might want to be fired. TTU didn't seem serious about building the program or paying Leach a top tier salary. If Leach could manage to bait the administration into firing him then he could land on his feet and take a sweeter job elsewhere.
wasn't as big (or as nice) as that shed.
Interesting contrast between the Texas Tech/Mike Leach and the Florida/Urban Meyer situations. Basically, by filing a lawsuit, Leach left Texas Tech with a decision about which is more important: the football program or institutional integrity? This is the polar opposite view from the Florida adminstration, which allowed Urban Meyer to make a fool of himself & his family.
Have you seen where the kid was sent? Being fired for that is a joke. It has nothing to do with "institutional integrity". I think they've just had a problem with Leach for a while and this is a way to get him off their hands.
I can't believe the lightening speed at which this happened. TTU haven't even determined what happened to young Mr. James yet and they've already thrown the HC out the door. As usual, the attorneys are going to see a lot of action. I smell a (big) settlement. HyyyArrrrr!
They should hire the coach they had before Leach....one of the best names, ever.
He had a pretty good run too. He had several winning seasons in a row before he retired and gave way to Leach. Sure, Leach put his own ID on the program, but Dykes laid the program groundwork before him.
Bring Spike Dykes Back!!
They'll probably make a run at his son: Sonny Dykes. Not as cool of a name, but pretty close.
He's done a good enough job at Arizona, and Tech will want someone familiar with the program. He also won't change the system too much from what Tech had under Leach.
His other son, Harry Dykes, coaches the women's basketball team.
That comment was offensively evil but absolutely hilarious.
Although it does sound like something that Fred Phelps likes to write down in his weekend To Do lists. I have no doubt that if Spikes Dykes died tomorrow and came back the next day in the form of an 18 y.o. high school football player, he would be committed to play at Michigan yesterday.
his tiny notecard playbook has just one word on it now:
Man, I can't wait to see the lawsuits that ensue from this. Both Texas Tech and the James family best be getting their lawyers lined up.
would the James family be worried about anything other than their son? If they thought he was being treated unfairly, I would hope that they would bring it up to the TT coaches/administration.
Uh... because if Adam James was lying or exaggerating and that (1) lead to TTU firing leach and/or (2) it causes Leach difficulty in finding another job then I can think of a couple (or more) torts that might be involved.
Slander/libel; tortious interference (with a contract), intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress....and the thing is, the hardest part usually for emotional distress suits- proving actual damages- will actually be easy for Leach in this case: his lost contract. If I'm his lawyer, I bring one hell of a lawsuit- all of the aforementioned counts against the James family, and breach of contract, wrongful termination, I.I.E.D. and N.E.I.D. against TTU as well, maybe naming individuals within the A.D. and school administration individually as well. Also, since all parties are residents of Texas, this case may end up in the local circuit court in Lubbock, which would probably be a good thing for Leach. The only snafu could be if Leach's attorney sues Craig James individually, and his primary domicile is outside of the state of Texas. In that case, it would be a Federal case because of diversity jurisdiction. It could also maybe end up in Federal court because he would be suing a state institution, but I am honestly not sure. I also wonder if Texas has a tort immunity act for government entities, which would mean a higher standard of proof, I think, against the school as an entity and the administrators as they carry out their duties.
/end dorky law talkin'
//I just got way, way too excited about this.
I would also add intentional interference with economic advantage, if Leach's jurisdiction distinguishes the cause of action from interference with contractual relationships.
Exactly what I was thinking. Craig James lives in Texas, so no diversity issue there. I would line up all of those claims, against all of them (with the possible exception of TTU because of the potential for removal) and also name the A.D., as well.
"/end dorky law talkin'
//I just got way, way too excited about this."
Never! The occasional sports related legal case sure beats the humdrum of our every day work!
True...and I didn't know this "interference with economic advantage" cause of action existed. I may have to look it up. Sounds interesting (seriously).
Mike Boren isn't an ESPN analyst, or RR would have been fired.
I was just thinking about this whole thing, and it really makes no sense. Leach is a smart guy. Went to law school has a high IQ all that good stuff, so why do this. I mean, doing this to any player is dumb if you think you won't get caught, but this kids dad is a member of the most powerful sports media network in the world. Who would put Craig James kid through this and not expect to get in trouble? That just makes me think that maybe the allegations aren't true or just are exaggerated.
Then again, sometimes smart people do stupid things.
Read what Texas Tech players have to say about this and watch the video of where he was kept.
but I have not read the TTech player's comments (link?). My take on this is: James was diagnosed with a concussion and should have just stayed home, but probably could not because Leach had a rule requiring him to show up. Leach should have just sent him home. While the facilities in which he was confined are not as bad as they were originally described; he was nonetheless confined to a garage or shed and a windowless room used for visiting coach's interviews. It seems pretty clear he was not sent there for therapy, but he was confined to those facilities as punishment for not practicing because of a concussion. To me, punishing a player for not practicing because of a concussion is a firing offense.
From what I've read James came to practice wearing sunglasses on the advice of a doctor and so Leach sent him to the shed where he wouldn't be exposed to sunlight.
Kid's been a problem all year, lack of effort etc. He comes to practice wearing shades complaining of sensitivity to the sun due to his concussion. Players aren't allowed to wear shades. Coach puts him in a dark quiet place with trainers because that's what you do with people who have lingering symptoms from a mild concussion. You don't have them outside in the sun watching a loud football practice. He puts him in these not uncomfortable looking places for roughly 100 minutes. This happens twice.
As far as I can tell, that's it.
Where in this do you get the impression he's making an example out of a kid who's refusing to play through concussion symptoms? At worst, he's dealing flippantly with a kid who he's had problems with throughout the year.
Because he didn't "do" anything that a sane person would call a fireable or even chastizeable offense. Having had a concussion or two in the past, I know that the last thing you ever want to do is move, much less show up some place where your doctors and coaches have specifically told you to stay away from. This James kid apparently repeatedly disobeyed the coaches and doctors and because of this behavior they had to find some place to stick him where he wouldn't further aggravate his injury. They didn't stick him in a dungeon or a holding cell, but rather a spacious garage with ice and cooling equipment and then in what looks like a small media room. Were they supposed to offer him candy and blowjobs when he refused to listen to them?
Tech fans are going to be burning down administration buildings pretty soon after this one. Leach will land on his feet and TTU will go back to being a bottom feeder. I challenge anyone to go to Lubbock, TX and then look at Leach's record and tell me he isn't one of the very best coaches in college football.
Your first paragraph is conjecture; it may be true, but I suspect the real story is somewhere in between the versions offered by Leach and James. I definitely agree with your second paragraph, though. They may never again land a coach of Leach's caliber. I hope they are confident that their version of events is accurate.
I thought I read on here that the team doctors had told James to stay home. Is this still just rumor/conjecture/one side of the story?
As for the actual conditions he was placed in, after seeing the video of the two locations I can't understand how any sane person would consider Leach's actions to be worthy of firing. In fact they seem like an extremely tame way of dealing with a player who is by all accounts (except maybe his parents') a total douchebag.
Do we know for a fact that Adam James disobeyed the coaches, or that he has a history of doing so? Or is that just one side of the story? As for putting him in the room where they store the tackling dummies, that doesn't seem like a normal response to having a concussed player. Maybe you have to do that at a high school when you're on a shoestring budget, but when you're a big-time college, you send the kid to the training room, which has better amenities than room with nothing more than a rusty old fan and no place to sit down other than the floor. If he really was that light-sensitive, okay, then you just turn off the lights in the training room. That was, at best, a bizarre response by Leach and warranted a least a talking-to from his superiors. I agree that making it a fireable offense was probably excessive, though.
Do we know that nothing else is going on in the training room? Are there other athletes that might need to use the training room? Are there other sports at Texas Tech? Is sending him to a place where players were sent to get away from the heat such a terrible offense?
I guess I wasn't even referring to his past behavior (though it seems that a lot of people in the program have had issues with the kid in the past). Just that if the coaches/doctors told him to stay home and he showed up, he would be disobeying them. If he did it again the next day he would be repeatedly disobeying them. Again, if the coaches/doctors didn't tell him to stay home then it is a different story. But if they did, this seems like a pretty mild punishment for not listening to the people in authority. Aside from a few non-essential comforts and the fact that it sounds better to be in the "training room" rather than the "storage shed", I don't see much real difference in him laying down with the lights off in this garage as opposed to lying down with the lights off in the training room (and if you have a concussion all you can really do is lie down with the lights off).
But, here's the link:
"Candy and blowjobs"? LOL
I've stayed away from the topic, since I'm sure we'll find out more (other than the fact that anything that keeps them from pounding MSU sucks), but since that remark drew me out, my personal bias is that it wouldn't really shock me that any kid of Craig is a dick. And that family and "football morals" are at other ends of the spectrum. Not that he deserves to be mistreated for his fathers sins, if any definitive evidence ever comes out that it happened.
Yeah, I've never understood why James never gets called out for being a part of the most corrupt program in NCAA history. This father/son relationship could explain how what everyone else sees as a big garage is a "closet" or "shed" in the minds of the James family.
Adam: Dad, look at this place where the coaches made me sit during practice.
Craig: What is that thing? It looks kind of like a garage, but there is no booster-bought sports car inside. What could it be?
Adam: An electrical closet?
Craig: I'm not sure what either of those words mean, but I guess you're right. That must be the kind of knowledge you pick up from actually attending class. I love you, son.
How in the hell are you going to replace a coach who has gone 84-43, and taken your team to 10 straight bowl games without getting all the facts straight first?
That's ridiculous. Oh well, they better call Sonny Dykes.
This is going to be a media circus. How can I tell? Simple, Leach's attorney wears a camo hunting jacket.
I would like to present the Wookie defense.
I think it was the "Chewbacca defense", but I +1'd you anyway...
Last year, Tech played hardball with him re: a contract extension. It was stupid and to save face they had to give him the extension. This is there way of getting back at him.
Interesting, Craig James' son is involved? Easy access to ESPN and the media. Fired before the 31st when he was to receive a huge bonus. Fired before the hearing regarding an appeal of the suspension. That reads as NO evidence.
Leach has a legal degree. I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing as Tech pursued their course of action. In the end, I suspect that not only will he get his full contract, but much, much more, similar to Jim O'Brien at OSU.
The unfortunate reality is that he's one of the best minds in the game, and he's already had trouble getting high profile jobs that he would do well at (Alabama - though can't criticize hiring Saban). Now, with his eccentric personality and this, he'll never get a top coaching job.
If RR doesn't work out (and I hope he does), I wouldn't mind seeing the Pirate Show in Ann Arbor.
I agree completely. Check out Matt Hayes' article in Sporting News: http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-30/james-ga...
on the "Team Leach" facebook page, their is a discussion as to whether or not the tech players should boycott their bowl. Karazay fans.
Not to be a dick or to sound uptight, but that's one internet trend I wish would die already. I never found it funny or, consequently, worth using Hitler (from Downfall).
Seems like TTU fans are very, VERY pissed. I'm shocked at how fast the TT administration jumped the gun on this... the "investigation" of Craig James isn't even over, and I'm of the opinion that the firing goes deeper to a conflict with the administration (see Mike Leach Contract Negotiations 2008).
Needless to say, he is now the hottest coaching commodity in the offseason, wonder where he will end up?
...but, as a coach, he should have been more aware of this kid's potential to create problems. It seems that he has been needy and arrogant his entire college career, and with his father being who he is, you have to handle this situation delicately. Daddy is an influential person within the college football community and Leach should have either found graceful way to either get the kid to leave the program (long ago when the issues were first prevalent), or to put up with whinny stuff. Now coaches have to make tough decisions that go beyond football, it sucks but it's part of the job.
I agree with this 100%, although it looks like the Texas Tech administration would have taken nearly any excuse to can him.