OT: Trouble in Spartyland- Warrants Submitted to Ingham County Prosecutor For MSU Football Players
https://twitter.com/mattcharboneau/status/832218595518193664
Apparently these are arrest warrants:
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/02/16/prosecut…
February 16th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
because most of us hope a ton of rape happened.
This is never a good thing. msu football was well on its way back to their usual place in mediocrity. I doubt anyone is happy this is happening.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
Niiicccceeee. I love it when people make the most dick-hole-ish interpretation of a comment and run with it.
No dude, I think a LOT of people on this board hope the situation is bad in general, without really thinking about the particular circumstances, so the punishment is more severe. And if you think those people don't exist, you probably don't get out much...
February 16th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
Can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's more like if bad stuff happened, I want to worst possible consequences possible for those involved. If that hurts their program than so be it.
February 16th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^
I dunno, I think maybe you kinda did speak for everone else...
February 16th, 2017 at 3:28 PM ^
Exactly what reshp1 said. I agree 100%
February 16th, 2017 at 10:14 AM ^
Everyone has to show how morally superior they are on the internet at all times. It's an e-fact.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^
Yes, you are correct. In my experience, the Internet is a place where people are on their absolute best behavior and display only the most moral and upright version of myself.
You must go to a "different Internet" than me...
February 16th, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^
You're suggesting that hoping this doesn't turn out bad puts you in the minority. It's pretentious.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^
No, but my baby seal covered slippers and my spotted owl sombrero ARE pretentious.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 6:57 PM ^
I was agreeing with you, fyi.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 6:58 PM ^
Even I am not above the policy.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^
I look at it this way. Michigan has had it's own run-in with football players committing sexual assault in the recent past. While Michigan might have handled it better than Sparty has handled theirs we probably still shouldn't be throwing stones.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
fear for Sparty (if I have any, which I really don't, at all) is that these current allegations are part of a culture within their athletic department, and that they will make the mistake of addressing these allegations as something obstensible "entirely seperate" from the Nassar investigation and occurences in the past when really there is a toxic element within their athletic department in this regard that needs to be addressed in its entirety.
In other words, because there are likely to be arrests in this case which apparently involves one single incident, it gives them the option to make it look like "problem solved" while actually just sweeping it under the rug/kicking it down the road, and it will later come out that there was actually some connective feature to all of this that is may be more sinister or problematic.
That may not be the case at all, but the media silence on this issue leads me to believe that there is more to this story and what is being investigated within the MSU football program than just one isolated sexual assault. I think it would be very wise for them to air out all of their dirty laundry in the light least flattering to them initially as opposed to engaging in anything that could remotely be considered a cover-up at a later date.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
John U Bacon talks about not turning a one day story into a three day story - or in this case a one 3 month storu into a three year story. It's also like financial reportting - if yoiu are going to have a bad quarter try to move everything bad you can into that quarter.
It would be wise of MSU to bring everything forward, clean it up and take whatever PR, NCAA and legal hits they need at one time. You can see what happens when you dribble it out over time like PSU and Baylor. Don't try to hide shit - bring to light whatever you need to - no coverups. If that means more coaching retirements then so be it.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:08 PM ^
Totally agree. Purge it all, then you're free to move on. Besides, once shit starts getting stirred up, things are going to come out as people get motivated to come forward so might as well get it over with.
February 16th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^
Because nothing could be further from the truth. That makes you sound like a dick and us look like an asshole.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
It's interesting that no player names have been released.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
Especially with a warrant being out.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
They can't release the names just from the warrant request. But if/when the warrants are granted, they will definitley be released.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
I see nothing in either of the two links that says that the warrants are "arrest warrants". They may be. But they may also simply be applications for search warrants or evidentiary warrants.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:53 PM ^
it's up to the prosecutor to make a decision - charge or not, and if charge, who and what crimes. it is not uncommon for the police to be more aggressive in their desire to charge than a prosecutor is when it actually comes to filing a case.
one other possibility is to send the case back to the cops for further investigation. there was internet talk earlier about cell phone stuff and those companies tend to move very slowly even in the face of search warrants as it relates to producing information. if the phones were seized, that too takes time to do the analysis also possibly further delaying the decision time.
EDIT: espn article says that the prosecutor asked for more information/investigation. link is here: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18696990/michigan-state…
February 16th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^
Once things like this are out of the box, you can't put them back in. Whatever players' names are released, they will be forever tainted, even if the allegations are false or overblown. I don't see a huge problem with delaying the release of information in order to let everyone get their ducks in a row.
Everyone wants speed when it comes to these investigations, but it's more important to be accurate.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^
Sincerely,
Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans and all the Duke professors who threw them under the bus and faced zero reprecussions.
The perfect example of why you let these things play out before declaring people guilty.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:18 AM ^
Each of them is guilty. Guilty of being (or, more accurately, having been) a Duke Lacrosse player.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
any news related to the basketball program will be probably be held up for at least 29 days as well.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
February 16th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
I believe Dot has a separate legal problem. The reports I've seen say there are 3 players under investigation for sexual assault.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
recruits gonna be like:
February 16th, 2017 at 9:46 AM ^
What recruits?
February 16th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
one and two star kids they flipped from East Pennsylvania Barbery College for the Blind.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^
recruiting. 3 commits, all 4*. Surprising, considered how they finished the 2017 class.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
This is going to destroy their program.
Just look at Penn State.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
Penn State has a really good history and people do care about them outside of their state, unlike MSU.
MSU won a whopping two B1G titles in a 40 year span from 1967-2007.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^
Not really. Their football coach, AD, Finance guy in charge of the police dept, and president spiked an eyewitness report of child sexual abuse.
The alumni keep electing trustees who want to claim there was nothing done wrong there.
I'd change your comment to:
"Penn State has a really sordid history"
February 16th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
I meant results on the field.
They should've gotten the death penalty and booted from the conference. I called for it back then when it happened and people said it was too much on here.
Baylor should get it. Join the Southland Conference for 5 years.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
Why should/do results on the field matter in either of these situations? Narrow minded at best to put that into either of these discussions. Both of these situations have absolutely nothing to do with results on the field. These events changed peoples lives, ruined many of them. Who gives a flying fuck about results on the field?
February 16th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
You're not reading the comment chain correctly.
I'm saying PSU's football history is better than MSU's. Period.
That factual statement got hijacked into something outside of the football games.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:14 AM ^
Congratulations. You turned a post about rape, child rape, sexual assult into a post about results on the field. You sure you're not from SEC land?
February 16th, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
We're going to send out a search party for you.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:28 AM ^
This is definitely going to hurt the MSU program, and rightly so. Stop forcing words into WD's mouth that he clearly doesn't support. If you care so much about survivors and about punishing abusers, you should be able to understand *exactly* what WD is saying.
MSU (and its 3 suspended players) will get exactly what they deserve.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
this involves one incident and there are literally just four actors involved including the coach, and all of them are booted from the program and the legal systems runs its course, I don't really see why this would have any long term impact on the MSU program. It will hurt them on the field to lose these players right now, but if they handle it properly and it is confined to this incident, why do you think the "program" would be tainted in a Penn-State-esque fashion? It could be that there is nothing systemic about this.