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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130402/pitt-s...
Looks like Trey Ziegler, after transferring from CMU to Pitt after his dad was fired, has decided to transfer again. He has 2 years of eligibility remaining. If some of you recall, Michigan recruited this kid pretty hard a few years back.
Freshman/Sophomore - CMU, then dad fired as head coach
Junior - Pitt (received waiver to play right away), decides to transfer
Senior - probably redshirt?
I don't know how they got it so wrong, but the article says that he played for the Mustangs his freshman and sophomore years...
Don't want guys that jump around like this. Attitude often seems to be be an issue with transfers (not saying that he DOES have attituted issues just saying that it's often a problem). He had his chance and he didn't want to come here.
I'm not saying you are a moron, just saying that people that make sweeping assumptions tend to have mental issues.
Before this gets negged, this is not as much fun when random people on the internet are badmouthing you without knowing a damn thing about you.
Rawr
I don't think it's a sweeping assumption at all. 3 schools in 3 years isn't a good sign. There have been multiple articles on this in the past year or two. It was either Sports Illustrated or CBSSports that had a really good piece on transfers a year ago.
Mmm...it's a pretty sweeping assumption. He left CMU, where he was a star and the focus of the team, because they fired his father. He's leaving Pitt because he's a role player who doesn't really fit the system, and who won't make it to the next level, even in Europe, if he doesn't go somewhere he can be the focus of play again.
Is this sort of thing normal? No. On the other hand, there are rational, non-dramatic reasons for both moves. I add, for what it's worth, I rode on a megabus from Ann Arbor to Pittsburgh with Ziegler, and he struck me as a humble, well-grounded and respectful person.
then he didn't do his homework before transferring to Pitt.
Let's recap: Turns down a chance to play at Michigan and probably start as a Freshman and possibly be a star, to instead go to CMU and play for his dad (can't fault him for that) and make them the next Butler. Then transfer to a system that he doesn't fit into. He only has one shot left, I hope he does a better job this time or gets lucky.
"He's leaving Pitt because he's a role player who doesn't really fit the system, "
Agree
"and who won't make it to the next level, even in Europe, if he doesn't go somewhere he can be the focus of play again."
Disagree. If he were good enough he would be the focus of play. That's how coaching works.
That's not how systems work. There are such a thing as squre pegs for round holes. And Pitt's style of play is hardly for all.
My new favorite way to deal with conflict.
"I'm not saying you are a moron...your TPS reports need work"
"I'm not saying you are a moron...my burger is cold"
WHOOOOOSH
Ever stop and think why Hoke doesn't take transfers very often, even when highly rated guys are available?
Um, because he hasn't been around long at all? How many transfers came in the Carr and Rich Rod eras? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Because MICH has really difficult admission standards for transfers.
He took transfers at SDSU.
Ever wonder why gum loses its flavor so quickly?
The kid turned down major college offers to play for his dad, then quit when his dad was fired. I don't see how that's an attitude issue, or even an indication of one. So he didn't like Pitt. Would you?
That said, I'm not sure how much, if at all, Beilein looked at him post CMU, and I doubt we have the scholarship for him now anyway. Not to mention the difficultly of transferring into Michigan.
I transferred twice in my collegiate career. I think I'm a pretty nice guy.
Kids these days...
Speaking of Pitt and transfers, their running back Rushel Shell is transferring out, too. Michigan didn't offer him, but he was a big-time recruit who had 600+ yards as a freshman. I wouldn't mind seeing Michigan get involved, but I doubt they will.
Is there any info on why he's leaving?
I haven't heard any rumors about why he's leaving. It obviously isn't playing time, distance from home, or the depth chart.
Last week, Pittsburgh announced that Shell was taking some time away from football to "work through some challenges."
He wouldn't want to come to a place where he has to compete with Derrick Green. Nor would we want someone who ahd personality disputes with Chryst over exercise and training (which is the word from the Pitt fansite grapevine).
He went somewhere where he had to compete with Ray Graham...
Ray Grahme was supposed to leave that year before he tore up his leg. Even then, he was 1. Recovering from an injury, 2. A different type of RB (smaller, shiftier) and better suited for division of roles, and 3. At worst leaving after one year instead of lining up almost exactly with your remaining eligibility.
Do you think these worse case scenarios are equal: backing up Ray Grahme for one year before taking the starting role vs. backing up Derrick Green for ywo years before competing for the starting role with whatever other backs an ascendent Michigan is bringing in?
I don't think they're equal. What I'm basically trying to say is that there's going to be competition everywhere. If there's no established back there now, there very well could be after the 2013 season (which Shell will have to sit out while potentially watching another back take the reins). Graham was established, and Shell played enough to gain 641 yards. If you're an elite talent like he was, coaches are going to find a way to get you on the field.
It's probably a moot point, anyway, because Michigan didn't even offer him coming out of high school. But I don't see him being terrified of Derrick Green, either.
This is based on a false premise anyway. Whatever else, he wound up at PItt because he pulled a Touchdown Tony and knocked up his local girlfriend. He's abandonibg her and his newborn twin daughters to transfer, BTW, quite against her and his family's wishes.
was mentioned in the article.
MSU didn't sign a single 2013 recruit y'all. just saying
Don't think he's "signed" yet but he committed. 6'9" dude out of Findlay Prep (NV prep "school" that former UM recruit and current OSU G Amadeo Della Valle attended).
it's all about helping the kids. So, he's got that going for him.
thugs don't usually follow the same recruiting/signing schedule as the rest of the recruiting nation.
someone get the Guinness World Records people on the phone
They want to wait til this kids done before committing to adding him to their book
I am going to predict that Ziegler ends up at the University of Detroit. UofD would be closer to home and he would have an opportunity to team with McCallum to help make the Titans a power in the Horizon league.
McCallum won't be playing when Zeigler is eligible.
I never harbored any ill will toward Ziegler for turning down Michigan to play for his dad; when the team you root for is in the Final Four, it's hard to feel emnity for anyone who didn't play. I think Michigan has turned out just fine without him.
In essense, Trey Ziegler is still a young man who is trying to find success. He has stayed off of the police blotter, and I don't remember him saying or doing anything stupid enough to put the media into tabloid mode. If he was to go to UDM and have one year to study, followed by one successful year on the basketball court, I would be very happy that it worked out for him.
"He has stayed off of the police blotter, and I don't remember him saying or doing anything stupid"
How many times have I told you not to rely on your memory? Ziegler was whistled for a DUI three days after we beat Pitt in the preseason NIT.
