per ESPN's Adam Schefter. For a 1st rounder.
Mods delete if needed. I understand it's not OT season but this is pretty big news.
per ESPN's Adam Schefter. For a 1st rounder.
Mods delete if needed. I understand it's not OT season but this is pretty big news.
So, correct me if I am wrong here, but essentially Cleveland is giving up on the season, setting FirstEnergy Stadium ablaze and shooting the cat. I assume that means they are willing to wade through this season and try again next year.
Not familiar with that one, but I don't like 'em so ok with me...
They're bringing in Willis McGahee for a physical.
and they have NO running game
But the Browns didn't want Trent Richardson and they jave NO running game either.
Ogbonayya (sp) should get the start in the short term I believe, and he has had a couple games as the starter if I remember correctly. Rainey is the one with the upside. There's also rumors that they will sign McGahee. For the record, in the league where I desperately need backup rbs, I grabbed Rainey only.
Berry just tweeted he picked up Rainey and McGahee in all the leagues he could.
I went and picked up Richardson in every league I could. Unfortunately that was 0 leagues.
How can they give up on the kid already. They used a number 3 overall pick on him LAST YEAR. and in return they'll get a mid to late first round pick? Makes no sense.
Clowney. Get Clowney and an extra first round pick.
Except instead of Clowney they'll get somebody who doesn't suck at football, like Taylor Lewan.
Clowney it is.
Also because the Jags will have already picked Clowney by the time the Browns pick.
LOL, yeah, because clearly the Browns need an overrated defensive end. Mark my words, the Browns will draft a quarterback. Look out for Teddy Bridgewater.
And then they'll be dumb. Clowney has not lived up to the insane narrative ESPN built up about him, no. But Bruce Smith in his prime against high schoolers couldn't live up to that narrative, so whatever. ESPN being dumb doesn't mean Clowney isn't the best pro talent in this draft.
He's overrated if you go by all the hype ESPN has given him, but he's still the best DE in college football.
The Browns' front seven is excellent. Their quarterback is Brian Hoyer.
Which do you think is a position of need?
I think if W.D's post had left out the unnecessary "overrated" tag on Clowney it would have been spot on. He may be the best pro talent in the draft but he isn't the most valuable prospect to this particular roster. This franchise needs a QB in the worst way.
And that's how you take a mediocre QB (Bradford) over an all-pro (if headcase) DT (Suh). Or you end up talking yourself into Jamarcus Russell over Megatron. I think Bridgewater over Clowney would be more like the Bradford/Suh comparison than Jamarcus, but still.
In all honesty, I can see 3 QBs taken before Clowney (Bridgewater, Mariota and Hundley). Because QB is the most important position in the league and having a franchise QB will instantly make a team a playoff contender within 2 years.
New regime, slowly or not so slowly overhauls the roster. No loyalty to the current players that are not "their guys", so pretty much anyone is game.
they don't like T-Rich and Weeden. They want to have 2 1st round picks so they can trade up to get Teddy Bridgewater at #1 overall. They need a franchise QB in the worst way.
It's not a bad trade by both team. Browns will use ammo to trade up to get their QB at #1 overall (or already have it to draft Bridgewater and use the rest to build offensive weapons around him). They got an underrated defense with excellent front 7.
Colts got their RB to play their power running game that the new OC preferred. Helps take pressure of Luck.
Honestly, it's a win-win by both team IMO.
Haven't researched the details, but finances might have been a motivator as well. I believe Richardson was drafted in the last year before they implemented the rookie pay scale, so he is probably being paid a lot more than the equivalent draft pick in 2014 would get paid.
just by trading away T-Rich. However, they had so much dead cap space clearing up by next season that it's not an issue. Money isn't the motivator though.
Nope, he was drafted last year, the last year without a rookie cap was the Sam Bradford draft year (2010).
I have no opinion on this.
You're a Lions fan.
At least we have a small window of hope now...
You are delusional.
Well, yeah. So?
trying to say That the Lions are anywhere near as shitty as the Browns are right now? The Lions have talent and are fun to watch..the Brown's are garbage
very interesting seeing has how they just drafted him this year. kinda wonder if there are some locker room issues.
Maybe the Lions will trade Leshoure to the Browns for a pick or two.
Edit: Nvm, they're working out Willis McGahee
argh! I always get him and Lacy mixed up
You hear all kinds of rumors about his knees and honestly i'm not so sure Cleveland will be trading up the number 1 pick. The only way this is a success is if the can pick up Bridgwater and maybe Lee out of USC. I'm sure Weeden will be gone by the start of next season too
But damn, Jim Irsay is REALLY EXCITED.
You mean excited/drunk. Hard to tell them apart when it comes to Irsay.
Indy native and I just did a livingroom fistpump after hearing the news. What is Cleveland thinking?!
Is it really a great move though, they basically just acquired a low 1st round pick for the 3rd overall pick 2 years ago? A pick may I remind you that they traded up for. It may be wise that they're selling somewhat high on him, but it was a colossal failure by the front office in the first place.
...they can use him now. Ballard's done for the season, all they've got is Bradshaw and Donald Brown and I don't think they're willing to wait for the draft to fill the hole. They think they're a playoff team.
His value to the Browns is pretty limited--even if he really is as good as his draft position they can't get that value out of him with the roster they have. All they could do with him is wear him down, use up the best part of his career on a team that can't score even with him.
Probably a good trade for everybody involved--good for Cleveland, maybe good for Indianapolis, definitely good for Richardson.
Only irrational people weigh sunk costs in a transaction decision.
Also Brian Hoyer (ex msu qb) is starting for them this week. God they are so bad at drafting QBs it's unbelieveable. Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brendan Weeden...brutal.
Weeden is not starting because he is hurt.
While true, he is still evidence that the Browns are bad at drafting QBs.
That's pretty quick. They must know something having him all through last season, camps, practices, etc. Not saying he's a bust or anything, but I'm still waiting on these Bama players who were so great in college to make a impact in the league.
is doing pretty well.
Brian Hoyer starting over Campbell as well.
Just picked up the Vikings D for this week in fantasy. Thanks Cleveland
I need to do that. I don't feel like starting the Bengals vs the Packers.
In all seriousness, 8 points per game seemed like an awfully high average to constitute a legit tanking of the season.
Brownies gonna Brown
I hope you're not a Lions fan.
Brian of Ohio?
They draft a litany of terrible QBs including Brady Quinn, decide to start a former MSU QB, AND to add insult to injury, trade away their best player. I've suffered enough. I'm so done.
But they let their really good kicker go to San Fran too.
They realized you don't build around a rb in thus league and decided to cash in on him when he still had some value. Seems wise to me.
Also makes sense for the colts, who don't need to build around him, but do need weapons to surround luck with.
Cleveland drafts a running back with that pick next year. And another QB with the other first round pick they have...
I'm agreeing with you 100%!
There's really not a concensus top running back, and definitely not one worthy of a top 20 pick. No point drafting a guy at 18 if you think a similar player will be available at 73.
And that running back will be 38 years old.
they will probaby trade both picks to get the #1 pick overall and take him there...
When I first read this, I thought it said Terry Richardson. I wasn't really sure what to make of that.
F the Browns
Browns are stuuuuuuuuupid.
While true the browns are stupid this doesn't make them that way or add to it.
I actually think its a good trade for the browns. Richardson is still young and has a lot of trade value. But his production last year was nothing spectacular, 3.5 yards a carry. Running backs dont last long the way Richardson plays and this is a throwing NFL now. The Browns now have 2 picks in the first three rounds of next years draft which should help, but you never know its the Browns.
and with any other franchise, this makes total sense. But keep in mind that the Browns traded up to get him and then also traded up to draft a 28 yr-old QB who turns out, really is not good.
So anything, really, is possible, including trading down in next year's draft.
Regime changes come and go. Nothing performance-wise ever changes. it must be something in the water there.
You have to understand that the GM in charge now was responsible for giving the green light for Oakland to draft JaMarcus Russel. So, yeah...not very promising.
And personally I think Bridgewater is a system QB and wont translate to the NFL.
Didn't trade up to get Weeden. Did trade up to get TRich, which was Holmgren's guy. If the Browns saw that they clearly made a mistake it moving up for Richardson wouldn't it behoove them to trade him before the rest of the league realized it?
According to my math, that makes 5 in the first 3 rounds. You are WAY off, bud.
My wife went to high school with him. he's a good guy and I'm glad he's leaving that dumpster fire.
Good pick up for the Colts, but they will still lose twice to the Texans this year.
I'm in shock. As a Browns season ticket holder I'm going to write Banner a letter asking for my money back. I bought my seats under false pretenses that they were at least going to TRY and be good this year. I cannot believe this.
I do feel bad for season ticket holders like yourself because this just seems like a massive white flag for the season along with having to endure an MSU QB as the starter....yuck. That said here's the obligatory Browns fan.
Transition year is always a mulligan. Sometimes more deliberately.
As a lifelong Browns fan, it seems the Browns have taken a play out of the Indians playbook (trade great player and get meh return). It just sucks that the front office always tries to get 'their guy' when their guy usually sucks. Can't remember a good QB is Cleveland. Once again, we take a risk on an early first-round QB.
trading for a mediocre starting QB or QB who is more of a backup *cough* Flynn *cough*. You're better off drafting a QB at 1st round than trading for one anyway.
Expecting to see MGrowold in this thread at some point. He always has great insight into Cleveland sports.
Just beat me to it...
Obviously the FO is throwing in the towel. But when April rolls around, the first option has got to be Bridgewater. Clowney would be nice, but doesn't fit our new 3-4 scheme imo, plus our Front 7 is the one bright spot on the team. Rumor is McGahee is coming for physical, and honestly, i don't believe he will be that much of a downgrade for the RB position. Trent has been injury prone he whole career and does too much dancing, instead of hitting the hole.
Browns OL outside of Thomas is meh. Richardson isnt to blame. Heck for a rook he was tied for 5th in the NFL for rushing TDs.
Colts are pretty set on offense now.
it's not just Joe Thomas and everybody else.
Richardson is a supposed "north/south" runner. The problem is he tries to go east/west EVERY play whether the hole is there or not. Until he follows his blocking and reads the holes correctly, he'll be an average running back and will eventually be considered a "bust" given where he was taken.
wait for it.....................Devin Gardner!!!!
Hey, I know he had a bad game last week, but there's no call for wishing that kind of harm on a Michigan athlete.
As much as I hate to say this, I would love to see Henne, Gardner, and Robinson on the same team in the future.
Richardson wasn't doing much for Cleveland, terrible OL or no. I'm OK with throwing away this season if we can hopefully get a decent QB for next year.
0-16. I can feel it.
There's a small part of me that understands the move. Cleveland brings in a new coach that has no loyalty to Richardson, didn't draft him, and obviously wants to make the passing game the focal point of the offense. Also, Richardson has been somewhat injury prone over the past year. His style of play probably doesn't do much for his overall longevity in the game.
Still, when healthy, Richardson might be their most talented player on the offensive side of the ball. I'm surprised they don't ride the season out, see what he can accomplish, and if they're not impressed, deal him after the season.
I guess they want to stockpile on draft picks, but I guess Browns fans should be settling in for another long season. But they should be used to it by now. The Browns have been rebuilding for 15 years. Not sure why that'd stop now.
Oh well, at least Richardson can go play for a winning team now. He and Andrew Luck on the field at the same time is a very scary thought for opposing defensive coordinators.
18 games, 18 games and the dude couldn't get 1 run over 32 yards? Any professional RB can hit a hole. If this guy needs perfect blocking to make an impact, then why do we need you?
The entire league is moving towards a passing offense, and we traded up to do the exact opposite for a guy that has an injury history.
During his rookie year, O.J. Simpson's long run was 32 yards. Ricky Williams's long run as a rookie was 25 yards. Did those guys lack the explosiveness to play in the NFL?
In the NFL, a RB can't just break a long run with shitty blocking like some guys can do in college. If the blocking doesn't get Richardson to the second level, there's not much he can do. When he gets the chance, he looks pretty explosive - for instance, look at the run and the catch in this clip:
What's the tiebreaker for 0-15-1?
Because if your plan is to draft a QB you're going to need that #1 pick, because I don't see the Jags trading it to you since their QBing sucks pretty hard too. And if you want one of the other QBs you might as well win a couple of games, because they'll be available later in the top ten.
First of all: Trent Richardson has been a terrible tailback. This isn't NCAA 2011 - he has averaged 3.5 yards per carry. You know what that ranks among halfbacks who have gotten 200+ carries in the last 18 regular season games? Dead. Fucking. Last.
Oh no! Whoever can they find to run for 3.5 yards per carry? ANYONE.
Even if we assume Richardson has been terrible, NFL tailbacks have a functional shelf-life of roughly 5 years, Richardson is on year 2 of his, and the Browns are abysmal. How much of his useful shelf-life will line up with a competent supporting cast in Cleveland? 1 year? Maybe? So what's the point in keeping him?
The Browns essentially got a mulligan on a TERRIBLE draft pick (set aside the fact he sucks, drafting tailbacks in the first round has roundly been demonstrated a folly unless you're drafting Adrian Peterson or Ladanian Tomlinson - that's why it's virtually never done anymore.
The Colts, on the other hand...god now what they did this for.
RBs are an expendable commodity in the NFL except for a couple premier guys.
The Browns are loading up on draft picks and have quite a bit in the 2014 draft so I don't think it was a terrible move. Maybe they took Richardson knowing they would later trade him for another 2014 1st round pick? IDK.
I'd never have drafted Richardson in the first place so this feels like the best of a bad situation. But yeah, if you are a Browns' fan, this has to hurt to see such wasted picks with nothing to show for it. I mean, you have a chance at some studs and you take Richardson and a 28-year-old Weeden and say "oh yeah, we're good."
Colts might miss that draft pick, though.