the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
OT- Today's Manti Te'O thread; Katie Couric
January 24th, 2013 at 2:51 PM | 
If I understand correctly...
If I understand correctly...
January 24th, 2013 at 3:43 PM |
He could've done what he did
He could've done what he did
He could've done what he did after the NC game.... Avoid the question and give an answer to a question that wasn't asked.
January 24th, 2013 at 2:54 PM |
He's gay, next story.
He's gay, next story.
He's gay, next story.
The state pays for it, it is
January 24th, 2013 at 3:25 PM |
answers to all your questions:
answers to all your questions:
1) yes, he's a pretty dumb and repressed kid who hails from a sexually repressed family climate (this makes me sympathetic, others critical); 2) yeah, he milked it and he lied; 3) yeah, ND milked it and yeah the media milked it and no milking it angle is going to be criticized by the media now; and 4) it's a net PR loss for ND anyway and that is good because this level of stupid deserves to be a net PR loss.
January 24th, 2013 at 3:29 PM |
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
I don't care if Teo was "duped" or not anymore...because its irrelevant. He lied and/or embellished the story to further his image in some way, "duped" or not. When you look at what Teo said of the course of the season and the stories written, it's hard NOT to come to that conclusion, hoaxed or not. And the level of "investigation" that ND performed is laughable at best, and totally looks like a transparent attempt at a cover up. Which...when paired with other recent ND stories that were swept under the rug, is not surprising at all. And the media...well, just confirms what I already kinda knew about them. They lack substance and integrity.
Also, I now hate the word "duped". Thanks, internet.
I'm not a lunatic. Seriously, i'm not.
Ok, maybe just a little bit.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:55 PM |
Come on man, Notre Dame
Come on man, Notre Dame
Come on man, Notre Dame investigated it fully. I heard they used Google AND Bing while investigating.
I poop excellence
January 24th, 2013 at 3:33 PM |
I don't care to know the truth...
I don't care to know the truth...
b/c however you spin it, Te'o is pathetic.
January 24th, 2013 at 3:37 PM |
I hope the NCAA takes a look
I hope the NCAA takes a look
I hope the NCAA takes a look at the fact that it appears Te'o had Tom Condon as an agent before the national title game. Also what happened to Swarbrick's claim of multiple people being involved?
January 24th, 2013 at 3:42 PM |
Victim of a hoax or not,
Victim of a hoax or not,
Victim of a hoax or not, Manti Te'o has already admitted that he is a serial liar. He's already admitting lying profusely to his family, friends, and the media as a whole. We just don't know the full extent of his lies.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:42 PM |
nonsense
nonsense
he admitted to lying about two things:
1. he talked abou the "girlfriend" before the bowl game after he suspected she didn't exist.
2. he talked about "meeting her" when he didn't.
any remotely decent teammate would have told lie #1 — it was 3 days before the bowl game and the media circus isn't going ot help your team win. similarly, anybody who was remotely humiliated by the situation (who wouldn't be) would be awfully tempted to tell lie #1.
lie #2 is similarly unimpressive. basically, it amounts to a guy exagerrating (in a pretty minimal way) his relationship with a girl. if you haven't met somebody who has done that, let me know.
he has claimed, and nobody has disproven, that he believed everything else he said about her. he's a sucker. and there is one of those born every minute, but there is no evidence that he is a serial liar. he told two lies, about his personal life which had no consequence outside his personal life, at least one of which is one that any teammate would have told. that's some serial liar. bernie madoff he is not.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:01 PM |
Either he told some pretty
Either he told some pretty
Either he told some pretty big lies to his dad or his dad just made up numerous fictitious flights our fictitious girlfriend was taking to meet Te'o in Hawaii. He probably could have also told Notre Dame not to help with stories and go to a fundraiser in the name of his fake girlfriend a month after he found out she was fake. Either Notre Dame was playing it up at that time or Te'o was. Pick which one gets to look like an asshole
January 24th, 2013 at 5:16 PM |
never that simple
never that simple
1. His dad has said that he elaborated the details of the relationship. He believed, as did everybody, that they had physically met, but he admits to elaborating the story. It isn't an enormous elaboration.
2. He said that he found out in early-December, a month before the bowl game. He told ND shortly after Christmas. If, as he states, he suspected he was duped...I think that I'd cross my fingers and hope that nobody ever figured it out. Of course, he could have done something different, but its awfully hard to see his failure to act as a massive sin. Nobody needed to know that this was untrue — this wasn't a matter or national security, or even of the public interest. It was a private lie that he believed to be true. If we all went on believing it was true, none of our lives would have been the worse...
This is a story of a giant prank that was amplified a thousand times over by the media and abetted somewhat by some relatively minor elaborations by the Te'o family. Its reasonable to believe that they got caught up in the media narrative and fed the story somewhat. That's it. I've yet to hear about a whopper of a lie...other than the one that was sold to Te'o. I've yet to hear the moment where he crossed some moral line that I couldn't easily imagining myself or others crossing in similarly embarrasing circumstances. I've also yet to hear a narrative of who was harmed by these horrible lies.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:50 PM |
So his Dad is a liar as well?
So his Dad is a liar as well?
So his Dad is a liar as well? I guess it runs in the family.
"But in the tire fire that was last year's secondary he showed a little spark." - Brian Cook
January 24th, 2013 at 6:10 PM |
I noticed you skipped over
I noticed you skipped over
I noticed you skipped over the fundraiser set up for the fake girlfriend. You know, where Notre Dame, weeks after they found out about the "hoax," sent someone to interview the person who set up the fundraiser because the Te'o family wanted them to. That was weeks (and over a month for Te'o himself) after everyone knew this was fake.
I'll skip over that also because you deemed that not a "whopper of a lie." You also seem to think that everyone lying about this, Te'o, his family, Roniah, Notre Dame....you think this is all perfectly normal given the situation? I wasn't even mentioning all his teammates, who said it was well known there was no relationship and Te'o just liked attention. Let me guess, all of them are lying also? Or was it the reporter who took the statements from his anonymous teammates...he was lying, right? How many people are we up to that are lying in this story? By the way, you really suck at thinking logically.
Also, people who have died from actual cancer and people who are living through actual cancer are the ones hurt by all these lies. They have to see their suffering be trivialized by a lying dickhead so he can tug on the heart strings of Heisman voters.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:33 PM |
standard of evidence: "i heard it on the internet"
standard of evidence: "i heard it on the internet"
i didn't respond to the fundraiser bit, because i have no idea where that came from. when did it happen? nd states that they found out about the hoax on 12/26. the story broke something like 10 days ago. when was this fundraiser? where is the evidence that Te'o family wanted nd to do anything about it? notre dame is not a single person — where is the evidence that anybody who knew about the hoax had anything to do with the fundraiser?
and, you're simply wrong about Te'os teammates. one anonymous player said that he liked attention. the vast majority, of the many players that have been questioned, have said that they believed she was real. there are several accounts of players saying hi to her on the phone. there is an account of the recruit who was there when he heard that she died and of the hush coming over the lockerroom. similarly, we have the arizona cardinals fullback who believed she was real. and then we have the girl who posed in the photos, who fell for the ply to get her picture. the only remotely critical "evidence" against te'o has been anonymous — one anonymous player and one anonymous deadspin source that was 80% sure that te'o was in on it. that's it for evidence other than the elaborations that te'o has come clean on.
assuming that te'o crafted this huge narrative to bolster his heisman chances and that he is a liar of munchausian proportions, plese take me through the account of how an "actual cancer" patient is harmed by even that lie. i'm sure there are "actual cancer" patients, this very moment, bemoaning not their fate from cancer but the fact that a college linebacker trivialized them. i'm going to get some popcorn.
i think you suck at determing what is a "fact" as opposed to an internet rumor that has spiraled out of control. separately, i'd love for you to take he through my logical failing. please show me the error of my ways.
January 24th, 2013 at 8:24 PM |
You should probably read the
You should probably read the
You should probably read the AP story on it. It wasn't so much a fundraiser as it was a guy who set up a charity for the fake dead girlfriend that Notre Dame sent someone to interview and put the story on their website. Then, the obvious question would be, since Notre Dame found out she was fake in December, why they sent someone to interview the guy weeks later after the NC game (as the guy who set it up did so because of a picture he saw from the aftermath of that ass kicking). The answer would come from a Notre Dame representative who said they sent the reporter at the wishes of the Te'o family. So it wasn't so much that I read it on the Internet so it must be true, it's that a representative from Notre Dame told a reporter who wrote a story about it. Either Te'o wanted to keep lying or the Notre Dame rep is lying.
If you saw this whole situation where the love of someone's life is in a serious car crash and is diagnosed with cancer and you came to the conclusion that it is logical that their boyfriend would never have visited them, let alone seen their actual face while talking to them, I don't know what to tell you. Great logical thinking?
I really love the implication that actual people with cancer shouldn't be insulted at someone lying about how sympathetic they are towards cancer patients after they found out the cancer patient they loved was fake. I'm sure parents and friends mourning the deaths of their loved ones who had cancer are happy a star football player was fake grieving a fake girlfriend after he found out she was fake. I'm sure that is not a slap in the face to people who actually have to deal with the pain of cancer, not just the fake pain of fake cancer.
January 24th, 2013 at 9:12 PM |
this story?
this story?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2013/football/ncaa/wires/01/18/2060.ap....
1. so, an alumunus who knows nothing throws a fundraiser. notre dame sends a videographer. we have no idea who, amongst the hundreds of people that works at notre dame, makes that decision. pretty clearly not all notre dame employees knew about the hoax until the story went public. furthermore, the story does not say what you imply — that the te'o family requested they send the videographer. rather, it says that notre dame wasn't going to say one thing either way about the story until the te'o family spoke. so, yes, you fell entirely for unsubstantiated nonsensical internet rumor. or your'e not very good at critical reading.
2. you then engage in the common tactic of finding the worst possible interpretation of the story in order to drag somebody through the muck on the basis of no facts. i can't make this point enough times — the burden is on those who want to prove that somebody acted in immorally. not the other way around. your argument, ultimately, is that you can't imagine a way that somebody would have said the things te'o said and be a decent person. that, of course, is because you only listen to the part of the story that fits your preconceived notion and make no effort whatsoever to empathize with te'o, who by the simplest factual story is more victim than perpetrator. regardless, "i can't imagine a way that this makes sense" is a statement of your lack of imagination, not a statement of fact.
try, to imagine yourself in te'os shoes for a minute. you are a naive, nice guy. you, belive this girl exists. you feel really awful for her and you feel like you have a connection. you don't really deep down believe that she is the love of your life, but she (who is trying to dupe you) tells you that you ar the love of her life. you respond in kind, because your'e not the kind of jerk who tells girls with cancer that you're not that into them. when asked by reporters, both because it makes you seem like a stand-up guy and because you want to make her feel better, you elaborate...you publicly repeat the "love of your life" statement. that, would be a harmless lie. that would be telling a family member of somebody who recently died that their death was painless, even if it wasn't entirely painless. a lie intended to make somebody feel better. even if it was a lie that was intended to enhance teo's stature, still an entirely harmless lie. the failure here is not my failure of logic, its your failure of empathy. your failure to imagine the circumstances under which one might justly elaborate. you failed, completely, to point out a logical flaw in my account...just a failure of your imagination. te'o didn't go to the funeral, because, he didn't really believe her to be the love of his life. he believed her to be a nice girl he met on the internet, felt connected to and felt sorry for...on this scenario, which is supported by as many facts as your te'o-is-satan scenario, te'o is a nice guy who elaborated. strike him dead! the broader point is that the burden of proof is on those that want to call te'o satan. until you can disprove my te'o-as-nice-guy scenario and demonstrate that your te'o-is-satan scenario is more plausible than this and all other plausible stories, you have judged prematurely and unfairly.
3. the argument that actual cancer patients were harmed by this is more hilarious than anything. if you're dealing with cancer, i'm pretty sure that a linebacker's lies aren't on your problem list. moreover, how, pray tell, did te'o slur cancer patients? even if he was a complete liar, he portrayed cancer as a serious and awful illness. he talked aout how terrible he felt for the girl, etc. he didn't down-play cancer in any way. he actually raised its profile and the public appreciation of its horror. to the extent that he did so falsely it was because he was lied to, not because he was a liar.
moreover, given that was duped, he didn't fake mourn anything...he mourned for real. his "fake mourning" apparently consists of his failure to promptly and completely confess to the fact that he was duped.
finally, imagine that i'm a patient with lung cancer. please tell me a story about how my life is worse off because of te'os story? i can't fathom how this might work. i have lung cancer. a linebacker was duped into believing that a girl he knew from the internet died from cancer. he said that he was really sad about it. i'm outraged because? or, i'm outratged that when he found out he was duped, he failed to do something? what should he have said..."i manti te'o, epic dupe, apologize to any cancer real cancer patient...your disease is very obviously much worse than the non-cancer that my non-girlfriend had. however, it is important that you understand that i believed that the non-cancer my non-girlfriend had was real cancer, even though i might have only believed that she was a very-nice-girl-from-the-internet as opposed to the love of my life"?
anyway, i'm still waiting to hear the narrative about how a person with lung cancer was harmed by te'o statements. take me through it step by step. i have logic issues, as you point out. so please go slowly. but, i believe your argument is a clumsy attempt to try and make te'o statements which were only relevant to his personal life into much greater sins than they are.
January 24th, 2013 at 9:59 PM |
I don't know how to put this
I don't know how to put this
I don't know how to put this any nicer: you are a fucking idiot if you believe Te'o and I hope a cancer patient punches you in the face so you feel actual pain instead of the insult they feel when people fake grieve and fake mourn the death of fake cancer patients. Also, go back to Notre Dame boards so you can join in the discussion of how Te'o is vindicated because he didn't submit his phone records but submitted a spreadsheet with his phone calls that I am sure is really real.
January 24th, 2013 at 10:47 PM |
the internet!
the internet!
where unproductive disagreement on trivial absurdities devolves into incoherent tribal rage!
you'll note that i didn't say what i believe. i have no freaking idea what happened. and neither do you. and that's the point. if we're telling just-so stories, i can tell a te'o is nice just-so story that is just as plausible as your teo-is-evil just so story.
if this were a possible conspiracy to cover up some horrible act, te'o would be innocent until proven guilty. given that we're talking about a harmless lie in his private life, te'o shouldn't have to offer the world anything at all. in spite of that, because of the public presumption of his guilt, he has offered an account of what he believed and a modest amount of circumstantial evidence to support his claim. there is no alternative account supported by anything other than speculation. under the circustances that's good enough for me. if its not good enough for you, the standard of evidence you require would place you at risk of being judged pretty damned lightly. ...your significant other accuses you of cheating because they can't imagine why else you'd come home late from work every night...your story that "work is just really busy lately" just isn't believable to them..."why is it suddenly busy right after you got a new assistant?"...and even though you show them the time stamp on the ticket from the parking garage, that isn't enough. part of the reason that peope are innocent until proven guilty is that its really hard to prove that you're innocent, even when you are.
and, yes, if i meet that cancer patient who is enraged that a linebacker was duped about a story involving cancer and feels that they, as a cancer patient, feel harmed by his dupedom...i fully expect to be punched in the face when they realize that i once, on the internet, defended that linebacker. i'm feeling pretty good about cancer patients...kind of worried about meeting you, though.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:48 PM |
Obviously based on your
Obviously based on your
Obviously based on your posts, you come down on the ND side of the coin but its a fact that he lied repeatedly to his family which then caused his family to pass along that information in the numerous articles written about her. And then two days after he found out she was "alive" (on Dec 6), he lied again during the Heisman ceremony (on Dec 8) and again during interviews on Dec 10th. The Heisman ceremony is especially bad in that he wasn't asked directly about his GF but responded anyway something to the effect that "when I was told my girlfriend died....." All of those events happened long before the bowl game.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:19 PM |
lie is too simple
lie is too simple
my point all along has been that there are lies: "i had nothing to do with the watergate burglary" and there are te'o's lies. and they are very different things. failing to speak the 100% god's truth every moment of the day is a conversational norm. te'os lies are closer to "yeah, sweetie, you look good in those jeans!" than it is to the sort of thing that we rightfully morally castigate people for. he admitted to not being 100% truthful, but i don't see that as much of an impressive moral failing in context.
based on te'os account, which has been unchallenged, his lies prior to early december consist of stating that he physically met a girl who he had not physically met. here, as he has said, his lie was born of embarrassment — a big hubub was made of his relationship and it would make him look like a (ironically) a liar, a wuss and generally not a very manly man if he admitted that he never even met her. his lies after he suspected that she wasn't real can be understood as trying to protect his team from a mediastorm and as trying to hide his humiliation.
what would you have said in those circumstances? maybe you wouldn't have gotten caught up in the girlfriend narrative, but maybe you would have liked the fact that the media was telling a hero-worship narrative about you and you fell in with it. maybe you would have thought that the hoax was hilarious and you would have come clean. i, for one, would have lied my ass off and prayed to god that nobody ever found out.
context is everything here. who was harmed by the lie? nobody. whose business is it, other than those in your personal life? no one's. how big of a lie was it? not really that huge...he believed he had a "relationship" and he amplified it. then he failed to undo the story when it took on a life its own. these were small lies about his personal life. these are the sort of ies that we tell each other every day and that nobody ever calls to account. i suspect they are the sorts of lies that are beneath virtually every story of heroism...just nobody had the will or means to call them lies in the past. what would have been the consequences of coming clean? he would have provided a huge distraction to his team and guaranteed enormous scrutiny on him...instead, he rolled the dice and did what i would have done — prayed that nobody would find out.
that isn't the context that accompanies a massive moral failing. that's the context of a tremendously naive 22 year old caught up in something that took on a life of its own. the moral failings of those who reported on this are far worse than te'os.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:06 PM |
Just a prank
Just a prank
It's really too bad that the media have turned this into a circus. Ultimately, a college kid got pranked. And the prankster did a world-class job. Many of the same people who routinely watch shows like Punk'd are suddenly indignant and surprised when a very clever young man decides to "try this at home."
Years ago, when people could laugh whenever they wanted to, this would have been seen as really funny. Now, we see nothing but outrage. Any outrage should be directed at the media for creating the angle they have used for this story.
Imagine how the story would have been had a more responsible media decided to treat it as a harmless prank instead of calling a college kid's character and/or intellect into question.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:21 PM |
I agree.
I agree.
At it's core, it's really just a prank. Yet, it's kind of a ponzi scheme of pranking too. Teo got duped, media gets duped, fans & bystanders get duped. Damn near everybody duped & embarrassed and now half the world has their panties in a bunch about.
Thing just blew up and someday everybody will laugh about it.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:54 PM |
You can't be serious.
You can't be serious.
You can't be serious.
I poop excellence
January 24th, 2013 at 5:55 PM |
I'll wire you $500K tonight.
I'll wire you $500K tonight.
I'll wire you $500K tonight. All you need to do is give me your routing number. Whattya say?
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
January 24th, 2013 at 6:07 PM |
Where is the prank?
Where is the prank?
Let's assume Te'o is the victim of this Tuiasosopo character's elaborate prank. What was the payoff? To make Te'o play better when eventually inspired by the death of his imaginary girlfriend?
Was this all to embarass Te'o? If so, why didn't Tuiasosopo simply inform the media long before Deadspin, and before the national title game, when it would have been a bigger, more disruptive deal?
Pretending to be some dude's internet girlfriend for 3 years and then saying, "Oh, I'm dead now." without informing anyone of the super long ruse is a really shitty prank. Pranks don't last this long or end this way. They just don't.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
January 24th, 2013 at 6:13 PM |
Agreed....pranks are TPing
Agreed....pranks are TPing
Agreed....pranks are TPing the trees or filling dorm rooms with styrofoam peanuts. If Te'o was duped by this guy Tuiasosopo, Tuiasosopo is a mentally ill MFer.
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January 24th, 2013 at 6:19 PM |
Yup
Yup
To use the Punk'd example someone mentioned above, where was the Punking? Pretending to be someone's girlfriend for three years (which I imagine takes a lot of work), making that person fall in love with you without ever meeting (which according to Te'o is what happened), then faking the imaginary girlfriend's death, which receives massive publicity and then...telling nobody about it, including the guy you played this awesome "prank" on.
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of fucking sense. Sounds like we should totally believe that the guy we all know is lying and has lied in the past is being totally honest about the parts of the story he swears he isn't lying about any more and just move on.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
January 25th, 2013 at 1:17 AM |
This is exactly the sticking
This is exactly the sticking
This is exactly the sticking point for me. What's the motivation? What did he get out of it? If he was blackmailing Te'o, then that would have come out already, for sure. Why would Te'o hide that?
Like you said, you don't pull a prank on someone and then keep it a secret. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.
I'm not saying the "Te'o is gay" theory is necessarily the correct one, but I'm pretty sure the one Te'o is going with isn't either.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:08 PM |
Mantei needs some advice
Mantei needs some advice
Mantei needs some advice about the need to always inspect these anatomical areas when in doubt:
1. Adams apple
2. Wrists
3. Hips
4. CROTCH AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is Jon Falk?
January 24th, 2013 at 4:09 PM |
5.)?????
5.)?????
6.) Profit
Bo' Money Bo' Problems
January 24th, 2013 at 7:07 PM |
If you ever find yourself in this situation:
If you ever find yourself in this situation:
Shoulders. Unless she's a dedicated competitive bodybuilder, that's usually a dead giveaway.
The world looks better through maize mirror tint.
January 24th, 2013 at 4:11 PM |
Bobby Boucher > Manti Teo
Bobby Boucher > Manti Teo
Nuff said
January 24th, 2013 at 4:14 PM |
My girl actually bought me
My girl actually bought me
My girl actually bought me that sweater he has on in the interview for Christmas.
January 24th, 2013 at 9:36 PM |
Or did you buy it for yourself
Or did you buy it for yourself
As "your girlfriend"?
January 24th, 2013 at 4:22 PM |
Needle in a haystack
Needle in a haystack
The thing that I can't understand (aside from everything else about this story) is why Te'o would have ever responded to "her" of all "people." He has been a high-profile player for years, and must get random tweets all the time from hot (based on their thumbnail pic) women. Was it because she had a Hawaiian-sounding name?
January 24th, 2013 at 4:27 PM |
Katie
Katie
Katie is asking some great questions. Manti looked a bit sad after she brought up the gay angle and the audience laughed.
"He played the trombone. Did you know he played the trombone? That's a tough one to picture." --Kovacs, on Denard "Shoelace" Robinson
January 24th, 2013 at 4:46 PM |
He is simply the most naive
He is simply the most naive
He is simply the most naive person I have and will ever encounter in my whole life.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:22 PM |
Encountered?
Encountered?
You'll have to define that for us.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:28 PM |
Whoops, typo. My english
Whoops, typo. My english
Whoops, typo. My english teacher would be irate right now. Thanks!
January 24th, 2013 at 6:48 PM |
Actually, I didn't even
Actually, I didn't even
Actually, I didn't even notice the grammatical issue. I was trying to make a Te'o joke (i.e., did you literally encounter him, or did you meet him over Twitter, or...oh fuck it).
January 24th, 2013 at 5:16 PM |
It must be a reall slow week in the world of news
It must be a reall slow week in the world of news
when everyone (not just ESPN, I am talking about you CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc) are so obesessed with the romantic snafoo of a 20 year-old kid. Come on CNN, can't you (expletive) cover something like -ohh, I don't know - Syria, Mali, Algeria, North Korea threatening us with nukes, Afghanistan, Iraq? This is really beyond ridiculous. Who the (expletive) cares whether some college kid was duped online by some dude. It really baffles me how much attention this is getting. A blip, fine, just because it was made into a big deal, the (fake) girlfriend dying, affecting his game, etc, etc, but come on news providers. I guess I should not be surprised by the likes of CNN when that trashy lady Kardashian's bump is one of the major headlines. BBC World and Al Jazeera (surprisingly) are the only decent news shows actually delivering local (national) US news and news from around the world.
January 24th, 2013 at 5:21 PM |
I'm not being cute:
I'm not being cute:
I highly recommend not watching major American news outlets.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
January 24th, 2013 at 5:31 PM |
Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah, I hear you.
I pretty much don't, other than the PBS News Hour. I have CNN turned on in the morning when I am preparing lunch but it is mostly for background noise. In general, I find most American news outlets the opposite of good, on par with the NY Post. I remember when CNN actually had good coverage of national news and international news. But these days, CNN spends its time either reporting on the likes of Kim Kardashian or beating a dead horse, by which I mean covering the same story (i.e. Treyvon Martin, the CT school shooting) for an entire week and getting every talking head's opinion, as if there was nothing else of importance happening in the US or the rest of the world to report on.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:55 PM |
I have started two threads on the subject of Manti Te'O.
I have started two threads on the subject of Manti Te'O.
In both of the threads I started, I tried to turn the attention away from how stupid/deceitful/dumb/gay Manti Te'O may or may not be, and on to the issue of whether this can be made into a Notre Dame PR scandal.
Who the (expletive) cares whether some college kid was duped online by some dude. It really baffles me how much attention this is getting.
You're right. I don't care. I'm trying to figure out if Notre Dame can take the big hit in all of this.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:03 PM |
Logic
Logic
I'll totally believe Manti was in on the hoax as long as someone can explain to me:
1. How you have a gay relationship with someone you've never met? If the theory is this was all a cover of him being gay with Tuiasosopo then how do you explain him never having met him until late November 2012? The only person pointing to them having a pre-existing relationship is the one unnamed Deadspin source who said they "were family" (which shows she obviously had no clue what she was talking about) "or at least family friends" (according to both sides completely untrue).
2. If this is a hoax for publicity, how did they mastermind this elaborate scheme starting back in 2008? Just walk me through how you would go about planning this with someone you don't know.
3. Explain why in either of the above scenarios Tuiasosopo would've also hoaxed AT LEAST 5 other people as reported by ABC. If this is all a cover for being gay or a part of a big publicity stunt plan, why is he hoaxing other people as Lennay?
4. Explain why Te'o would try to check out this person within the Polynesian community if he was complict and wanted to keep this going as a cover. Wouldn't you, in fact, want to draw as few questions as possible to your cover?
5. Explain why dozens of people have come forward after the story broke saying that Tuiasosopo either confessed to them or that Manti was not in on it or that they were hoaxed by "Lennay" or a combination.... but there has not been a single named on the record source with firsthand knowledge at any point that has said Manti was involved.
If you can answer those five questions, I'll believe whatever you want. But some of you want sooooooooooo badly for Te'o to be "in on it" you're willing to believe whatever conspiracy theory you want that Te'o MUST be involved. It's sickening.
The obvious, simplest answer is that Te'o got hoaxed and then lied a bunch after the fact. See how few crazy explanations and rationales are needed to justify that? SMH.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:11 PM |
Many of us agree with you
Many of us agree with you
The notion that he "lied a bunch after the fact," though, is not small...And while I agree with you generally, you have to admit it's strange that he didn't make any effort to see her before she (as far as he knew) died.
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January 24th, 2013 at 6:10 PM |
Yep he is gay.
Yep he is gay.
Yep he is gay.
January 24th, 2013 at 6:18 PM |
For Those That Missed It...
For Those That Missed It...
The NYT liveblog is here and still updating with commentary actually.
They did a pretty thorough job of breaking this down, right to his reactions to various questions. It's a pretty good read if you want to go with an extensive summary of the interview rather than look for the video itself, especially since it seems only to appear in select snippets at the moment .
Just from reading their summary, it would appear that that there was at least some focus on the timing of the story versus when Te'o discovered that Kekua was not real, and they note that the question made Te'o visibly uncomfortable.
It also appears that he was in the Bay Area at one point with the team when Lennay had lukemia, but when asked, he simply claimed that he couldn't bring himself to ask about being allowed to visit. Not sure what to make of that, but if this was someone you were in love with, why not ask?
The opinions overall were pretty blunt on the NYT blog - for example: "Te’o isn’t doing much to come off as intelligent or mature. He actually said “I had my doubts” about Kekua and the leukemia twist, but veered off to say that he talked to a friend’s mother who was a cancer survivor and that made him understand what Kekua was going through."
In any case, for those who did not see it - like me - the basic gist appears to be here, but it is not without opinion inserted, of course.
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January 24th, 2013 at 6:22 PM |
He's either a blatant liar or
He's either a blatant liar or
He's either a blatant liar or the the worst boyfriend in the history of ever.
Neither of those is a good place to be.
M'Dog
Te'o says in the interview "Yes, I lied, but what would you do if someone brought the subject up?" The problem with that is that he brought it up twice. Chris Fowler asked him at the Heisman ceremony what the most memorable part of the season was, and Te'o told him a story about his girlfriend's death. Fowler did not say, "So, it must have been hard when your girlfriend died."
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