I'm a fairly insensitive prick and usually when I hear some advocacy group demanding an apology I just roll my eyes. But...goddamn. What sort of environment do they have going on in South Bend?
http://glaadblog.org/2010/01/14/glaad-demands-apology-and-retraction-of-...
Wowza. That is a truly awful
yeah, they'll be done in
yeah, they'll be done in that position
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
Tim Hardaway?
What does this have to do with Tim Hardaway? Just because of the homophobic comments he made a couple years back before the All-Star Game? I don't think there is any sort of connection, so it would be best to change the title probably.
That being said, publishing the cartoon is not funny and way over the line. If it were a similar joke about a black person, the cartoon would never have ran and the person would have been fired for just turning it in to the publisher for print.
Fair enough.
Title modified, but only slightly since I'm not creative enough at this time of night.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights / orgies ... darkness."
The joke was definitely
The joke was definitely clever and witty, but publishing it in a student newspaper is certainly in poor taste.
Leon
I was wondering what Leon had to say on the subject. Case closed. Leon has spoken. ;)
i think we have different
i think we have different definitions of "clever" and "witty." for example, i usually don't use those words to describe hateful and inflammatory language.
C'mon.....you can lighten up
C'mon.....you can lighten up a little bit about it. That joke is absolutely more clever and witty than simply printing the words, "Beat up homosexuals with a baseball bat" on the page.
Qualifying statement
You should qualify this. The joke would be witty and clever if you are telling it to people who know you well enough to know that you aren't a homophobic asshole. I have many gay friends, and amongst ourselves, something like this would be witty because we know it is completely sarcastic and most gay people like to make fun of themselves for being gay. But if you don't know the person saying it, then many people would immediately think "Wow! Wtf man?"
But printing it in the paper, is just plain stupid and wrong.
In my first post, I mentioned
In my first post, I mentioned it was a joke in poor taste.
I am not a fan of excessive political correctness though. It will eventually become a detriment to society.
Gotcha
The surprising thing about this is that the gay rights blog that brought this to our attention hasn't been infected and killed by some sort of deadly computer virus yet. How's that for political correctness?
Indeed. It is also possible
Indeed. It is also possible that the homophobe crowd still uses MS-DOS, though.
Just because it is "more
Just because it is "more clever" than literally saying "beat up gays with bats" doesn't make it clever and witty. Suggesting that violence is the best way to deal with homosexuals, as if they are some sort of disease on society, is absolutely not okay in any way, no matter what kind of "joke" you are hiding behind
"I think you are my favorite poster. The polar bear avatar definitely helps." - ShockFX
Ok, I will clarify again.
Ok, I will clarify again. Apparently a desire to be politically correct is clouding rational thought for you.
THE PLAY ON WORDS IS THE FUNNY/CLEVER PART. NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER.
Oh, shut up. This is not a
Oh, shut up. This is not a case of political correctness. People love to throw that phrase around when others take offense to their jokes because, hey, it's just a joke, right? And I'm taking it too seriously because I don't think jokes about beating minorities are funny, right? I should just chill
Bullshit. If you want to make jokes about race or sexuality, absolutely go for it. But when your punchline is "kill or injure them seriously to discourage their sexual preference," you are not being witty or clever in any way. The play on words wouldn't exist without the subject matter, they coexist.
"I think you are my favorite poster. The polar bear avatar definitely helps." - ShockFX
We may have to "agree to
We may have to "agree to disagree" on this one.
PC is not calling your
PC is not calling your secretary hun or calling an African American an African American instead of a negro. There is nothing that sets off the PC meter here. This is just a hateful cartoon.
The Team, The Team, The Team.
I don't see how promoting
I don't see how promoting violence against gays is at all witty or funny. Just because something is less obvious or blatant does make the message any less meaningful and hateful.
But the lows are so extreme that the good seems fucking cheap.
C'mon man
This here board is going straight overboard with the PC stuff lately. You people...
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
I don't think it was clever
I don't think it was clever AND witty. Jokes about bludgeoning gay men to the point of brain damage just don't have that "oomph" that I think is needed to qualify as both clever AND witty.
Now if the cartoonist could have worked in some reference to raping a child's corpse, then I'd have to agree.
Clever and witty?
How is it clever or witty? It looks like a 1960's KKK cartoon. That is about how long it has been since the word "fruit" was used in that manner on a regular basis.
Excuse me, but as someone who has been non-violent since 1970, I just can't find anything remotely funny about it. I don't have any particular affinity for any particular group being stereotyped; I think all stereotypes are damaging, both to the person being stereotyped and the intellect of the person making the stereotype.
As for the violence, I wouldn't even find it funny if someone made a cartoon about beating OSU fans into paralysis with a baseball bat. There is a point where it's just too dangerous to be funny.
This might be the first time I agree 100% with
this poster. But I have to ask, if you are truely non-viloent, why are you so hateful in your comments at other locations? You have to know that words can incite violence. And while name calling is not itself violent, it can lead to violence, at least when one is not protected by the internet. Now, it is just a question. Please don't get in a rage.
"There are a lot of fine schools and a lot of very good football programs around the country, but when you combine all the factors, only one comes out on top -- the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN." Bo, 1998
The joke was neither clever
The joke was neither clever nor witty.
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
I really think you should
I really think you should change the title of this thread.
Then you realized
that he had already sent it his LOI and you stopped being paranoid?
- Dutch
I agree
What would Tim Hardaway Jr think about his dad being associated with this crap? Or about a "Michigan Fan" being the person who did it. Allen Iverson made a rap record with deragatory words towards gays and violence toward women. If you insist on bringing an athlete's past transgressions into this, why don't you call it "Allen Iverson loves Notre Dame?"
I hope Brian or Tim change or censor the name of this thread.
Funny joke.
The joke was definitely off color. It was definitely in poor taste. It never should have been published. I can't help that I still laughed. I'm an insensitive prick, I'm a huge fan of dead baby jokes.
What's the difference between a truck full of bowling balls and a truck full of dead babies???
You can't unload the bowling balls with a pitchfork.
I can't help that I chuckled when I heard the first barrage of jokes about Haiti. As awful as that is and as awful as I felt about it afterwards, the joke was still funny.
It's the kind of humor that should stay private though.
I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
How many dead babies does it
How many babies does it take to paint a house?
Depends how hard you throw them.
What's the only thing grosser
What's the only thing grosser than 1000 dead babies in a tree?
One dead baby in a thousand trees.
What has four legs and an arm?
A doberman in a nursery.
I'm with you...
South Park clip when Cartman contracts HIV:
I don't buy it
Sorry, I don't buy it: you can help that you laugh at inappropriate jokes. Private or not, there's nothing funny about beating gays and there's nothing funny about 50,000+ dying in Haiti.
Mature and learn compassion. It turns out that there's a lot that's funny out there, it just tends not to involve deep human suffering.
Or:
I don't have a truckload of bowling balls on my carport.
OK, moving on.
Personally,
I liked the original punchline better--"AIDS". Call me old fashioned, but I guess I'm a sucker for a good AIDS joke.
But that punchline doesn't
But that punchline doesn't even make sense. People don't become brain dead from AIDS.
Man, that was one fucked up cartoon.
Sarcasm
Maybe the editor originally changed the punchline so it would make better sense.
EDIT. Linked article above contains link to the OBSERVER's (paper that ran cartoon in question) apology (here). One commenter in article linked above suggests that the asst. editor who approved the cartoon had no idea the word "fruit" was a derogatory term, read it literally and had no idea the cartoon was hurtful. The other commenters eat this one alive.
It took several comments here before I even understood what the thread title was supposed to mean.
Damn.
It's not like ND is a major university or anything with policies around tolerance etc.
As a person who has friends/family who fall into that demographic gay/lesbian I will say that's the most pathetic cartoon I have seen in quite some time (I mean, seriously, try some originality even). Then again, it *is* ND.
It's never difficult to respect other people.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
This entire
thread sucks. From the OP who puts Tim Hardaway in the equation (remember his son is coming to play basketball here), to the fact that the thread points out that ND should be above letting this kind of crap be published only to have Mgobloggers actually say they think it is funny, or unoffensive. Im with CrankthatDonovan...this is not about being PC. Violence against gays DOES happen, and is not fucking funny in the least bit.
This will be my last post on
This will be my last post on the thread.
THE VIOLENCE AGAINST GAYS IS NOT WHAT IS FUNNY ABOUT THE JOKE.
All caps does not make your
All caps does not make your argument valid
"I think you are my favorite poster. The polar bear avatar definitely helps." - ShockFX
THE VIOLENCE AGAINST GAYS IS
THE VIOLENCE AGAINST GAYS IS NOT WHAT IS FUNNY ABOUT THE JOKE.
You're right. What is funny about the joke is nothing. Also, keep your voice down.
This will be my last post on the thread.
Probably a good idea. Maybe you should take a couple of plays off.
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
This statement had to be
This statement had to be made?
Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
I'll repeat...
This cartoon appearing in a paper is not funny in the least. But something like this could be funny if it was said only in the company of people who know each other very well and know that the people in the group are supporters of the lgbt community. Maybe I am just a gay person with a sick sense of humor...in fact, I know I am. But I enjoy dark and sarcastic humor when I am among friends. Not when it is printed in a newspaper though or said in front of people you don't know.
I agree with your sentiment though MadtownMaize...if only because you correctly predicted that 15-20 Sparty football players would put on ski masks and assault men and women a while back.
anyone
who has read many of my posts knows I love a good joke. I also love to make fun of small segments of the population (Sparties, Buckeyes and Domers (sorry Irish, I do like you)). I like to leave violence and real life minorities who are persecuted against in the real world alone.
You're so right, I could kiss you
but then we'd be attacked with bats, lol
"I think you are my favorite poster. The polar bear avatar definitely helps." - ShockFX
:)
And as a persecuted minority myself, I appreciate that!...long pause...silence...awkwardness...KNIBB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!!!
ND is one classy Catholic
ND is one classy Catholic university. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic school 1-6 and I find that cartoon deplorable. Just one more reason to hate ND and question the dogmatic beliefs I grew up with.
The Team, The Team, The Team.
Right because the student
Right because the student newspaper speaks for the entire University of Notre Dame and of course represents the views of the entire student populous
/sarcasm
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
I have been questioning the
I have been questioning the religion I was raised with for years. I think it is healthy to challenge things I have been force fed. And I never said that paper speaks for the entire university. I said it was another reason to hate ND.
The Team, The Team, The Team.
Not a fan of being force fed
Not a fan of being force fed anything either.
You seemed to be insinuating something more than what you actually wrote, if not then don't worry about my post, I should probably be in bed right now anyway maybe I didn't read it correctly.
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
Just saying.
Per your legend, you're supposed to "=)" a post that is filled with sarcasm, remember?
You'll be better and you'll be smarter and more grown-up and a better daughter. . .
Wowza. That is a truly awful cartoon.