OT- Tigers trade rumors/Castellanos in RF tonight

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OT- Tigers trade rumors/Castellanos in RF tonight

Jon Morosi's has reported that Castellanos is starting in RF tonight for Erie, a possible showcase? I would want a bonefide young star if Dombrowski decided to move him within the next 2 weeks, possible Justin Upton (we'd have to send more prospects though) even though he had previously listed Detroit as one of the teams he wouldn't want to be traded too along with the rest of the AL Central in the 2011.

Theo is still most likely looking for the world for Garza and Barney, so I'd stay away from that, but regardless it's a very important next 19 days for Dombrowski and the Tigers.
 

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  2. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/tigers-notes-brantly-castellanos-pitching.html

 

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:20 PM | I want to see some Justin and (Score:5 Normal)
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I want to see some Justin and Upton, but not so much Justin Upton.

July 27th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Has not been playing well (Score:1)
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Has not been playing well recently.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:21 PM | Or (Score:0 Overrated)
July 13th, 2012 at 9:23 AM | dude is blocked (Score:1)
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miggy at 3b fielder at 1b

can't be a corner infielder and play in the majors

if he can botch a fly ball into only a 1 base error he is ahead of delmon young

July 12th, 2012 at 5:24 PM | I don't know if I've ever (Score:5 Normal)
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I don't know if I've ever heard of a showcase in double-A.  The more reasonable reason is that the Tigers are looking long-term.  Cabrera isn't moving from third anytime soon.  Fielder isn't moving from first anytime soon.  And Castellanos is expediting his rise through the leagues by swinging the freaking bat.  So, if he's to play for the Tigers in the near future, it's going to have to be in the OF.

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:48 PM | How hard is it to move from (Score:1)
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How hard is it to move from 3B to 2B (or SS) longterm? I feel like middle infield is a much bigger need than the outfield (and will still be in a year or two).

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July 12th, 2012 at 6:06 PM | This has been discussed (Score:4 Normal)
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This has been discussed extensively on Bless You Boys. He won't be at 2B for many and various reasons. I don't know if you go to that blog, but there was a pretty nice dialog going on about this.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:23 PM | I love BYB for their info (Score:2)
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But you really do get the feeling sometimes that anyone who disagrees with the editor/contributors or anything the Tigers do is dismissed as an mlive idiot or the like.

Great info and writing, just kind of a cliquey atmosphere at times.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:33 PM | Any new poster, regardless of (Score:1)
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Any new poster, regardless of the information they bring, can be branded as an Mlive idiot. The blog did get flooded with people ranting and raving about Raburn, calling him the typical Rayburn, Rabum, or Kburn so obviously those people got called out, but many people got lumped into the mlive crowd along with the acutual idiots. I agree with you the content and information is as good as it gets for a Tigers blog, but there is an "in crowd" there that you have to acclimate to.

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July 13th, 2012 at 11:10 AM | In fairness, I think it's a (Score:2)
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In fairness, I think it's a lot like MGoBlog. Most of the frequent posters at BYB are very level-headed and don't freak out when things start going bad. So the people who go on there and start freaking out in the first week of May get roasted. Is it due to them disagreeing with the predominant mindset of the blog? Technically yes, but it's mostly due to the fact that the predominant mindset of the blog is to be patient and not overreact in the first few months of the season.

July 13th, 2012 at 12:41 PM | It can't... (Score:1)
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...possibly be more cliquey than Mgoblog.

July 12th, 2012 at 6:35 PM | Castellanos is showing he's a stud! (Score:1)
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 Castellanos was a SS when drafted but has gotten bigger and projects to a corner outfielder, 3B, 1B, or DH.  Might be very hard to put him at 2b, or SS now.

 I agree what is happening is that they see him developing quickly and want his bat in the line-up ASAP!  Cabrera has adjusted well to 3B, so they are assessing Castellanos’ potential in the outfield. If it works all is good and the kid will probably be a Sept call up, and slotted in next year.

 

 (The big question is if he doesn’t handle the outfield,… THEN the real debate starts! That is when he may get moved.)

                                          

July 12th, 2012 at 5:49 PM | Oh don't get me wrong it's (Score:0 Overrated)
July 12th, 2012 at 9:47 PM | People might be surprised how (Score:1)
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People might be surprised how little of a distraction switching positions is to your performance at the plate.

Nothing changes with your batting routines and really, nothing changes with your fielding routines (just may spend more time on them).  He's a baseball player - he knows what he has to do in left field.  It's just adjusting to judging fly balls and getting his arm used to the different type of throw. 

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:23 PM | That's a valid arguement, (Score:1)
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That's a valid arguement, maybe i'm just naive but I didn't think they would make the shift to the outfield until next spring. On the bright side, Turner and Crosby have been very good recently in Toledo.

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July 27th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | I think they see Smyly and (Score:1)
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I think they see Smyly and Crosby in the mix for next year and beyond.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:28 PM | If the trade Castellanos I'll (Score:5 Normal)
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If they trade Castellanos I'll eat my hat. He's not going anywhere.

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:39 PM | What kind of utensils and (Score:1 Normal)
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What kind of utensils and dressings will you be using for this feast?

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:41 PM | Raw. Like when Werner Herzog (Score:3 Normal)
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Raw. Like when Werner Herzog ate that shoe.

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July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 PM | Herzog's shoe was not raw (Score:4 Informative)
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Per Wikipedia:

"The shoe was boiled with garlic, herbs, and stock for 5 hours."

In the case of a hat (A good felt bowler, I presume?), I think you at least get horseradish and 5 minutes on the broiler.

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July 12th, 2012 at 6:33 PM |  I agree, only way he’d go is (Score:1)
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 I agree, only way he’d go is if it’s some ridiculous trade, similar to the Cabrera trade. Getting a young great talent, locked up for a couple years also.

                                          

July 27th, 2012 at 2:35 PM | Turned out to be a very good (Score:1)
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Turned out to be a very good trade.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:28 PM | He's stuck behind Cabrera at (Score:2)
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He's stuck behind Cabrera at 3B for the next few years at least.   If he's ready to hit in the bigs find him another spot.  RF is fine with me.

 

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:28 PM | Dear Tigers... (Score:2)
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...Please don't trade Castellanos or Perry...We have yet to show that we can compete for the World series, and trading a pitcher who is ready for the Bigs now and a can't miss prospect is not the way for long term success. IF we go  on a true winning streak AND make up ground on the division leader, then I would support these deals. Right now, the Tigers don't look like a playoff contender.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Ryan Perry? (Score:2)
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Ryan Perry? Because he's gone.

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:50 PM | WOW (Score:2)
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I mean Turner...My Bad. I would be okay if they traded Oliver or Crosby though

July 27th, 2012 at 2:37 PM | Olivers stock may have (Score:1)
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Olivers stock may have dropped too much to get much in return.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Not sure how playing him in the OF (Score:3 Normal)
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is any kind of showcase for a trade.  If anything it indicates they don't want to trade him.

and, while I'm asking questions, why would anyone trade a bonafide young star for a prospect (non-bonafide)?

I won't be upset if the Tigers stick with the roster they already have.

July 12th, 2012 at 5:39 PM | Less Than Thrilling... (Score:2)
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"He’s recently heard that Detroit will focus on pitching because the team’s decision makers can't find a second baseman they like." - Referring to Ken  Rosenthal, in the MLBTradeRumors.com article

This is something I could believe, but I have a hard time buying  that Castellanos is part of any deal. As others mentioned, if he is going to be with the club sooner rather  than later, then the outfield is the easier "in" with the big  club right now, if you will. 

If the Tigers wanted a second baseman,  Quentin made it clear that he would return to San Diego after the season regardless, so I heard, so that and the salary aren't worth it. Scutaro is really in his waning years in terms of production and isn't a long-term solution. Epstein would want Toledo for anyone. 

 

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July 12th, 2012 at 5:39 PM | Garza (Score:2)
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Is it me, or does Garza not even seem like much of an improvement? Ive never understood the hype around him. He has a live arm, but is so inconsistent in his starts. Seems like a headache to me, and the fact that Epstein is asking the world for him makes me scoff. 

July 12th, 2012 at 9:52 PM | It's not just you (Score:2)
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he's basically the same as all the other non-Verlander pitchers we have--slightly above average. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:36 PM | remember 2006 (Score:1)
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that's all we need is another pitcher who can't throw the damn ball to 1B

July 12th, 2012 at 5:41 PM | Henning just had a piece in (Score:2 Normal)
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Henning just had a piece in the News this morning about Castellanos shagging flies in the OF as a result of Cabrera exceeding expectations at 3B.

Hoofbeats!  Must be zebras!

Seriously, this is almost certainly a sign that Detroit thinks that Castellanos will be ready for the big leagues as early as next year, and that they have some confidence that V-Mart will be the DH for at least a couple more years.  That could be a scary 3-4-5-6 with Cabrera and Fielder.  It would be nice to find a 2B that isn't a blackhole to bat between Jackson and Cabrera though.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:40 PM | dirks (Score:1)
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is perfectly fine to bat 2nd.  hopefully, he is back soon. there is no reason why the 2B has to bat there.  leyland is just being dumb by batting raburn there.

i would much rather the tigers focus on some slick fielding 2B and SS going forward who don't completely stink at the plate (ie. hit at least .250).

 

July 12th, 2012 at 5:52 PM | I don't think they trade (Score:1)
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I don't think they trade Castellanos, nor do I think they make a big splash at the deadline. They have a surprising amount of pitching depth at Toledo. Turner is just waiting for an opening, so even if they lose one starter, they have their replacement. And honestly, I think they aren't going to give up the farm for a mediocre second basemen. You can hope that Raburn becomes second-half Raburn and that Santiago continues to elevate his numbers the way he has recently.

I don't think they make any moves, especially not a big one.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:43 PM | no big trade? (Score:1)
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i'm not so sure.  it really depends on how badly illich wants to win now, imo.

July 12th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | I'm in the camp of (Score:1)
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not wanting to trade Castellanos, please keep him! I love Berry batting in the 2 hole, with his great speed and bunting ability, he's perfect in that spot. Garza can stay a Cubbie as far as I'm concerned.

If Fister can get back to his normal self and w/Max & Porcello getting going lately and Smyly looking like a young Glavine potentially, I like this staff, let's be patient and see what happens.

I like the idea of trying Castellanos in RF too, that might be the right move, no pun intended.

July 12th, 2012 at 6:53 PM | Glavine? (Score:2 Normal)
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Let's hold off on the Drew Smyly is a young Tom Glavine talk. He's young, he has some skill, but is unproven. Glavine is a 300-game winner with a shot at the Hall of Fame. Smyly has shown some things but is a long way from the next Tom Glavine.

Also, Berry isn't a very good bunter. For every decent bunt he has laid, he has popped up several or fouled off even more. Berry is a contributor. His speed is a weapon of which the Tigers have very little and his defense is an improvement over the rest of the outfield (sans Jackson).

Also, let's not rush to think Castellanos is A: coming up to the big club anytime soon (probably not until September call-ups if at all), and B: going to be the saving grace of the team. He's young. He's not superman. What this really says is how amazing Mike Trout and Bryce Harper have performed. I'd love if Castellanos came up and hit over .300 with some pop, but I'd be delusional to expect it.

Just don't get your hopes up.

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July 12th, 2012 at 6:55 PM | Well how about the next (Score:2)
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Well how about the next Whitey Ford then.

July 12th, 2012 at 7:20 PM | The next Frank Tanana? (Score:1)
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How about the next Frank Tanana? A solid lefty. Not a 300-game winner...

 

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July 12th, 2012 at 7:46 PM | Sounds like you know your Baseball (Score:1)
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But as for Smyly, I stated a young Glavine "Potentially", that's all.

Berry is a better bunter than you make him out to be, his speed is very, very disruptive, his glove and lack of arm are concerning, but that's something he can work on, glove anyway.

July 12th, 2012 at 8:28 PM | Not trying to knock you at (Score:2)
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Not trying to knock you at all, but Bill Simonson compares Smyly to Glavine, and Simonson is notorious for being waaay over the top and presumptuous.

I like Berry, I really do. His speed is terrific and he deserves a spot on the club, but his hot start won over a lot of minds and people think he is better than he really is. His bat has been quite poor the past couple of weeks. He is 8 for 34 in his past 10 games.

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July 12th, 2012 at 8:37 PM | FWIW. Jim Leyland thinks (Score:2)
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FWIW. Jim Leyland thinks Smyly is going to be a very good pitcher in a couple of years. I get the indication from listening to Leyland that he is higher on Smyly than Porcello. Porcello and Smyly are only 6 months apart in age. Both are 23

July 12th, 2012 at 8:56 PM | Porcello (Score:2)
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will always be somewhat limited by his inabilty to strike out a lot of hitters. He's only at 12.7 percent over his career, though that has bumped up into the 13 percent range the last two seasons. However, he is really good at not walking people and he's even better than that at getting ground balls (52 percent!!!). His ERA has always generally been slightly below average, partly due to being a ground ball pitcher on a team with poor range in the infield and partly due to his maddening inability to strand as many runners on base as an average pitcher would. That being said, his advanced numbers such as FIP, xFIP, WAR, and SIERA indicate that at the very least, he's probably an average MLB starting pitcher. Those aren't that easy to find and get a hold of.

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July 12th, 2012 at 10:55 PM | smyly v porcello (Score:1)
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i like smyly better than porcello too.  porcello annoys the hell out of me.  he's shown no improvement the past 3 years.  maybe a change in scenery is what he needs.  i was hoping the tigers would trade him before the season for a 2B.  now, i hope he just strings together a few good starts so they can trade him by the deadline.

smyly already has pretty good control.  even when he walks guys he's typically around the plate.  i like the glavine comparison (career success aside).  i can see smyly developing into a guy that will consistently hit the corners with his fastball and strike guys out with his decent curve.

i think any of our top AAA starters could easily replace porcello.

July 12th, 2012 at 11:05 PM | no improvement (Score:3 Normal)
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In the last 3 years? That is laughabley false. His fip has lowered from 4.77 to 3.83 from 09 to now. Xfip has dropped from 4.27 to 4.01. Siera from 4.48 to 4.13. The home run rate started at 14 percent and has leveled off at 9 percent for the past 3 years. None of these numbers...not a single one...has gone up from a previous year. In addition, the walk rate is down 2 percent from the rookie year. Strikeouts have also seen an increase. Please follow up by showing how he didn't improve and give me a list of our aaa pitchers who would be an upgrade yet are somehow not being called up.

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July 12th, 2012 at 11:32 PM | well (Score:0 Overrated)
July 12th, 2012 at 11:37 PM | re-read (Score:2)
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everything I wrote to see the improvement. You wanna know why the era is higher? It's because the tigers went from having a good defense to having an atrocious defense in the past 4 years. Era is so highly variant and it is heavily dependent on factors that the pitcher has zero control of.

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July 13th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | absurd (Score:2 Normal)
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your last sentence might be one of the dumbest things i've ever read concerning pitching stats.  i guess it was a mere fluke that clemens won 7 ERA titles with 3 different teams, considering that ERA is largely out of his control.

until this year. the tigers' defense alignment was basically the same his first 3 yrs, yet porcello's #s were much worse in year 2 and 3.  his hits per inning are increasing each year.  to say that's all defense is just plain wrong.  if you think this tigers defense is costing him 2.6 hits per game over his rookie year, i want what you are smoking.

July 13th, 2012 at 12:07 AM | BABIP (Score:2)
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You learn more about how defense is affecting a pitcher's numbers from his BABIP (Batting Av on Balls in Play) against than you do from his ERA or opponent average. If a given pitcher's ERA goes up and his BABIP stays about the same, then he's probably throwing fat pitches that are occasionally being hit out. If the BABIP goes up tooo, especially if it goes up for other ptichers on the roster as well, then that likely indicates that the D isn't making the plays they used to.

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