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OT: Tigers trade Doug Fister to Nats (Lombardozzi, Krol, Ray)
Tigers very active this offseason.
Hopefully they got something good and this wasn't a salary dump.
Don't forget, even a salary dump is something. I've heard rumors we go get BOTH Joe Nathan and Brian Wilson. This could free up the money to do so and turn our bullpen from a weakness to a decided strength.
I'm not sure I really want Brian Wilson. Baseball-wise it'd be a solid pickup.... I just think sometimes "being colorful" is a euphemism for "attention whore" and when you wear a Spandex bodysuit to the ESPY's, you're creeping toward being the latter.
He does his job. Who gives a shit what he wears?
I don't like buying closers. They are up and down by nature. All star one year , cut the next.
Dude could have a tea party out there on the mound and I could care less as long as he closes.
Looks like we're going all-in for Scherzer, though, which is good. Also, big vote-of-confidence for Porcello.
Obviously, we need to see what we get in return, but I tend to like this. Fister was not as dominant this year and he may be trending down. With 3 of the most dominant pitchers, Smyly, and Porcello, I still think they have one of the best rotations in the game, especially if Porcello keeps moving forward. Buy low and sell high.
Huh. Guess this puts Smyly in the rotation. Fister's a really solid pitcher and I'll be sorry to see him go, but if Smyly and Porcello pitch like they did for most of last year, they'll be fine.
Best and worst random tweet: "If the Tigers traded Fister for late-inning relief help, I am going to take Dombrowski for a ride in a shiny red Porsche Carrera."
Ouch. Too soon.
Per this CBS article here - LINK .
Mike Axisa writes:
"Washington has been looking to bolster its rotation behind Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann and Gio Gonzalez this offseason while Detroit was shopping a starter in an effort to free up cash and a rotation spot for Drew Smyly. Matt Swartz of MLB Trade Rumors projected Fister to earn $6.9 million in his second trip through arbitration."
It is a developing story, so they ask people to "stay tuned", if you will.
I'll wait to see what the return is, but getting rid of a consistent innings eater and a #3 starter doesn't sit well with me. That said Dombrowski has earned the benefit of the doubt, and probably made a financial decision he feels comfortable with.
He might be a #3 or even #2 starter on another team, but he was the #4 starter for the Tigers.
Any word on who is coming back?
I'm hearing Storen along wih Lombardozzi and Ray. Storen has had success as a closer -- until game five of the 2012 NLDS. Lombardozzi is a good utility player. Ray is a longshot to ever have more than a cup of coffee in the majors.
Edit: didn't read enough posts before posting myself.
I say we offer castellanos, crawford, Porcello, Perez to the marlins for Stanton ! Get it done !
And then we'd be down to 4 starters. Great idea.
Well I would have preferable done that and not this trade but getting Stanton would be worth finding a servicable 5th starter.
Back up a minute here. Who is this Crawford that you're sending to Miami?
I'm assuming Jonathon Crawford the tigers top draft pick/pitching prospect from last year.
Oh. Okay. I'd forgotten about him. If they drafted him last year, he's got to be a PTBNL. And I'm not sure that's enough to pry Stanton from Miami.
I'm not sure that's enough either but it's got to be close. That's a pretty decen tpackage there. If they needed someone else such as Rondon throw him in also. I think Stanton has the potential to be a perenial all-star and top 10 hitter, and his low side is still pretty good.
He's already a top-ten hitter. He doesn't get anything to hit now because he's essentially surrounded by a lineup full of Alex Avilas and Don Kellys. They're going to want the sun, moon, and half of Jupiter for him.
I seem to recall them trading away a decent hitter to the tigers for less than half the solar system. Sure we had to take Willis too, but we still came out of it okay.
Yeah, but I think they're fresh out of lefties that can't hit the strike zone that they can force us to take.
I hope they get some bullpen helps return. They need different arms back there. You can't go into the season with the same relievers as last season. I'll miss Fister. he was solid, but not dominate. He always seemed to have a bad in Inge early in the game. M
Don Kelly got re- signed....so its World Series or bust now!
damn that Inge!
I really hope Dave knows what he's doing because this is turning out to be a big shakeup to the team.
The Furbush-Fister trade is going to be hard to top. Best I could find on the Nats 40 man roster was Brown-FIster or possibly Hairston-Fister.
trade. This only makes sense if that happens. Losing Scherzer and Fister knocks the Tigers back to mediocrity.
You cannot say if this is a horrible trade until we learn what is done with the money that was going to Fister.
Fister is a guy who has a huge blinking neon light above him that says "Career on decline." He's still, obviously, a plus pitcher. However, the gap between him and Porcello is no longer that big. For the sake of argument, let's say they're even. You shouldn't be paying that salary to your #4/5 starter. Give Smyly a run, free up $$$ to resign Scherzer as well as get some 'pen help.
Also, don't overlook the fact that Lombardozzi is a significant upgrade over Hernan Perez as the bench infielder.
And a passable insurance policy at third base.
Porcello's ERA last year was 4.32. That was his best year since 2009 and the 2nd best season of his career. To compare, that would have ranked as the WORST season of Doug Fister's career. Porcello isn't even in the same league as Doug Fister.
Porcello's season needs to be evaluated without the 9-run disaster he gave up against LA in April. Without that outlier his ERA is 3.87. That and a 1.28 WHIP is awfully solid, especially for a still-improving 24-year-old pitcher. Easy to forget he's still at an age where a lot of guys are just barely making their debuts.
went from a 1 bean pitcher to a 4-5 bean pitcher--Fister is still worth 15 +. Let's not pretend otherwise. The trade may be good, depending on what we get and what it allows the Tigers to do, but not because Fister and Porcello are a push.
I didn't say they were.
i would have traded porcello two years ago when teams still may have thought he had huge upside. i've never been a big fan and i definitely like fister and smyly over him.
he seems to have slipped a bit each of the last two seasons, not seeming to be nearly as consistant from one start to the next. Porcello has had that same problem ever since the start of his career, but more and more seems to be overcoming that. As I see it, these are two pitchers that are somewhat similar in what they bring, both relying somewhat more on ground balls than the other Tiger starters, but pitchers that seem to be trending in opposite directions at this point in their careers.
With Porcello being more of a sinkerball pitcher and abandoning his ineffective slider, I'm actually kind of excited that he's about to reach his full potential real soon, especially with the upgrade defensively that the Tigers have undergone in the infield. Don't be surprised to see about 15-18 wins annually out of Porcello in the immediate future.
I'm now hearing that the ?Tigers are getting Ian Krol, rather than Storen, along with Lombardozzi and Ray. Not at all impressed with the return, but we won't know if I'm right for a couple of years.
count me as very disappointed.
count me as very disappointed.
he has more than earned my trust. His track record with regards to trades have been stellar. Remember when fans were upset when they traded away Granderson? What about Cameron Maybin/Andrew Miller? What about getting Fister in return? Dombrowski knows what he's doing.
It appears that Robbie Ray and Steve Lombardozzi are the two main players that Dombrowski wanted. Lombardozzi fills Infante's spot. Ray could fill in the bullpen with his power arm as a lefty.
Kinsler already fills Infante's role though. If anything Lombardozzi replaces Santiago, which itself is just a meh acquisition.
Better defender and can actually hit. When I said Infante's role, I mean as a utility IF.