Mmmm I'm liking that lineup.
Mmmm I'm liking that lineup.
Best 1-5 in baseball.
Until they reach the World Series, then they're not.
Well that's a different 1-5 than in this years WS so it's kind of hard to say that.
Don, Don, Don,… what are we to do with you? /s
Don't you worry 'bout Don. He ain't gettin' sucked into the Tigers' like the rest of us.
So the first five batters all hit .300 or better in the previous year they played. I'll say that is a strong first five
We'll be lucky if Hunter hits .300 or better this year. He's a career .277 hitter, and this was the first year he hit over .300 (the closest he had been before this year was .299 in 2009). Plus, his BABIP was an unsustainable .389 this past season.
Still, I'll take .275 with .300+ OBP and solid defense. Great pickup by the Tigers, but let's keep our expectations realistic.
Edit: Here's the link to his Fangraphs page.
I'm a baseball noob, but hasn't OBP become more valued than BA?
Tho it comes with its own flaws
Yes, however Hunters BB% fell and his K% rose last season, so it's not like he'll be a good OBP guy either.
That's one thing I noticed too, and has me a little worried. His inflated BA hides the fact that his K and BB numbers slid last year. It's hard to tell what's really the case though: is he losing his plate discipline as he's getting older? Was it just him feeling like he needed to be more aggressive, since LA got into a hole early in the season? Maybe he'll be able to be more patient knowing that he's got Cabrera, Fielder, and VMart hitting behind him. Man, that sounds so good.
this mean Delmon is out?
Yep. DD said that he and Valverde wouldn't be brought back.
I still can't believe that the Tigers would just let their all-time playoff home run leader just walk away. Delmon is the man, man!
Probably wants a long term deal and with Martinez coming back there's no spot for him in the lineup at DH. He's not a long term, everyday left fielder at Comerica.
We only need one DH, and Martinez>Delmon.
2011 Martinez > Delmon. 2013 Martinez > Delmon? I think he will be, but ya never know.
who asked you to bring logic to this debate?
I do really hope martinez returns to form and avila can keep improving.
Don't want to bunch righties at the top of the order. Also, if Victor bats second, you have a nicely balanced lineup of R, S, R, L, R, L, R, L, R.
You don't bat VMart second. He's an RBI guy.
I actually think Hunter will hit sixth and Infante will hit second.
That way you will be Jackson (R), Infante (S), Cabrera (R), Fielder (L), Martinez (S), Hunter (R), Dirks, (L), Peralta (R), Avila (L).
That is a possibility but Infante is not a switch hitter. He is strictly a right handed batter.
What I like is... it sounds like a wonderful conundrum for the Tigers to be in. “Where do we bat a great defensive outfielder and leader with decent pop and hitting skills?”
actually be the perfect #2 hitter. Switch hitter, great plate discipline, good OBP guy, rarely swings and misses. Everything you would want, except a bit less speed. I would like to see the good OBP guys bat ahead of Miggy and Prince, as opposed to behind. Hunter would slot in much better in the 5 spot than the 2 anyway.
Tremendous signing! Great defense, good bat, veteran leadership, great clubhouse guy. Not too expensive, either. Tremendous signing by the Tigers.
I thought they over paid for him a bit, unless Texas was going to pony up that kind of jack. But hey it ain't my money! And if it gets us a World Series, then money well spent.
What's the deal worth?
This could turn out really well or really poorly for the Tigers. Hunter had a great year last year (hit over .300 IIRC), but he's also getting to be pretty old. Depends if this is a late-career resurgence for him, or just a good year. I know prior to last year people were saying he was starting to decline, and I think his power has decreased somewhat.
My guess is Garcia starts in triple A now. Dirks in left and hunter in right.
I don't see how there is a downside for this signing. AJ in center, Hunter in left, platoon Dirks, Berry, Boesch/Garcia in right.
Also, they aren't signing Hunter for power. They are signing him for the intangibles: improved defense in LF, improved two/six hitter, veteran leadership. Details haven't come out yet, but I'd assume its around 24-26 mill. And the money really doesn't matter because Ilitch has opened the checkbook to win a ring.
Agreed. There really isn't much to second guess with this one. Really solid addition in many respects.
and one more, his son may just decide to play even closer to his dad, like in ann arbor. 8)
But I'd put hunter in right over all those guys except Garcia.
No more platooning
contract length. It's a two year deal and that's fine.
Preferred one year instead of two, but whatever. Happy to have him. Has anyone heard if we are going to use him as a lf or a rf? I would guess left when he's playing with Garcia and right when he is with Dirks
The safe money is on Right Field
I'm guessing that Garcia at least starts the season in Toledo, where he can start every day. Unless he earns a clear starting spot in Detroit, playing every day for Toledo is probably the best situation for him to mature and improve. No more platooning, please.
Gonna say the same about a 1 year deal but I will take it. This 1-5 in the lineup is pretty good on paper.
Dombrowski is the best GM in the game. Illitch is the best owner. And Leyland is a damn fine cigarette smoker.
Illitch recipe for being best owner:
1. Open wallet
2. Close mouth
Only helps the tigers
ESPN report by Crasnick says it's a 2-year, $26M deal
2 year, 26 million according to MLB Network, who cited USA Today. I'm an effing genius.
Probably 2 for 27, maybe 28. Anything more than 30 is bad because Beltran's 2 for 26 is the closest comparable and he is a superior player to Hunter. I really like this though. Put him in the 2 hole and our lineup looks 10x better. Plus, he can play a good left field
Some summary offensive stats for Hunter for 2012, for reference:
.313 BA, 16 HR, 92 RBI
167 hits, 81 runs, .365 OBP. and .817 OPS
If he can produce comparably this coming season, that gives the Tigers' lineup a little more horsepower and ability to produce runs, so it is an upgrade in this sense alone.
One thing that I think you get with Hunter, however, is someone who can mentor young outfielders, which would be an intangible but definitely useful in the clubhouse. He has historically gotten rave reviews for this ability.
Will replicate his 2012, but even a return to a normal late 30s version of hunter is going to be an overall outfield upgrade
So apparently it's 2 for 26. Great deal. DD is underappreciated
I wonderwhat that money means for Sanchez. He's looking for 6 years $90-100m. Hope we can keep him. Beating the Yankees out for Hunter could mean they spend the money on Sanchez instead. Boston just freed up a ton of $ too, and their rotation is dildos, to quote Skwisgaar.
Love it, stretches the lineup and instantly upgrades the defense. The Tigers became a better baseball team today and the alternatives in right field weren't all that overwhelming. Garcia will be good but this gives him more time in Toledo to work on some extra base power.
Doing my happy dance. Hunter has been one of my favorite players for like the last ten years.
is his son is signing to play football at ND
What about V-Mart? He should be back from his ACL injury.
every day DH
That is always appropriate!
V-Mart will provide a good bat when he comes back to replace Delmon. I would have liked to see them get in on the Marlins firesale and try to get Giancarlo Stanton. He's a good, young up and coming outfileder who hit 37 HRs in 123 games last season.
also trying to get Jr to decomit from ND, and sign with UM!
wish, but dombrowski went to wmu. it’ll take jr’s dad to want him closer.
Speaking of signing, Zak Irvin signed his LOI to Michigan this morning! Boom, Irvined
Hunter is pretty much the best-case scenario, given their options. Good bat. Great glove. Great leader. Two-year contract. Put him in left. Right goes to the best guy out of Dirks/Boesch/Garcia. Done.
Is good enough defensively to move hunter to left from right. He, however, is probably going to start off in Toledo
We'll have a good defensive OF no matter what. He doesn't need a career year to be a valuable offensive addition in his assumed 2nd spot in the order, but he may have a career year because he's going to see a helluva lot of pitches to hit given the three guys behind him. Two years is a good length, at at that length, the salary isn't really a consideration.
Bonus for Hunter being known as a mentoring player and the Tigers have two young outfielders on their way up to the Show that will be around for Spring Training and likely to get callups ... and there's Berry who i imagine will be kept for the bench.
Ilitch spends and DD puts another piece into the puzzle. I assume we don't see Sanchez back, and that we don't sign a starting pitcher (for the same reason that Sanchez can be asking for such sums). But i do expect a bullpen addition and that's probably it.
All of the media rumblings is that Sanchez isn't out of the mix. Personally, if they are serious, I wouldn't mind the signing, but I think you need to get Smyly into the rotation. I think he is ready and they really need a lefty in there. If they pull the trigger, they might move Porcello. Decent back of the rotation guy, but he isn't a top two which they originally pegged him to be.
Regardless, their depth in the rotation is pretty thin. If they suffer a big injury to a starter, they will be forced to either make a move or rely on a minor-leaguer, none of which have shined when given the chance.
Is really that thin. I mean, how many teams outside of Tampa have a good 6th guy to turn to in case of injury? Most teams struggle to find a decent 4th and 5th guy.
I wouldn't go over 80 million for Sanchez. That probably won't cut it for him. He is asking 90-100 million.
If they can't re-sign Sanchez they should insert Smyly into the 4 spot and and look to fill the 5 with some one other than Porcello.
In my eyes they should trade Porcello while he still has good/okay value.
I am so so on this move. I would have rather seen some bullpen pitching added. We got shelled in the playoffs.
that the bull pen needs help. Are there any good closer's on the market?
Rafael Soriano 13 million to pitch 60 innings?
Yes. Either that or grab a forklift and haul Jonathan Broxton's fat ass in to close things out.
Not worth to spend on any of them. Bruce Rondon is highly regarded by the Tigers and you can't count out the guys they have. Coke closed big games in the playoffs and they have other options.
A guy they should sign is Ryan Madson. He is coming off Tommy John. But would be a high risk/reward signing. He closed games in Phily and would add to the back end if healthy.
Plus, he is a Boras client.
While not the defensive player he once was, a nice pick-up. Gives that outfield some range and should be a nice addition to the offense as well. That 1-5 is going to be scary.
Nice signing, but on a related note, I question if Martinez will be the same. Severe injury and he's not a youngster.
Torii the Tiger