OT: Tigers Scouting Rich Hill
Few games out of wildcard and Indians still within reach. Do it. Send Pelfrey home. Pelfrey is one of the worst FA signings I've ever seen. This team has potential but must upgrade Pelfrey's slot. Rich Hill accomplishes that.
Pelfrey has had two really good starts in a row. It's good to have another arm in case Zimmerman and Norris can't say healthy, but I'm not sure that means the end of Mike in the rotation.
Pelfrey is not the worst free agent signing, but Rich Hill for $6M looks a lot better now. I was skeptical at first signing, but look what turned out.
Is hot garbage. I hated the signing at the time and like even less now. He offers zero upside.
The problem is that Tigers have precious few assets available in a trade. Oakland is going to ask for the moon with so few pitching options on the trade market.
but will cost Moya and a young arm.
no way. a couple of marginal prospects at best. anyone could have had hill this off season for nothing. i even said on this blog that the tigers should have signed him way before pelfrey.
It doesn't matter what was spent in the offseason. Hindsight is 20/20. The A's have a very desirable trade commodity in a very thin SP market. He'll fetch a very good prospect. May end up being a A-ball guy, but he'll be a valued one. Not sure what it would take the Tigers to land him, but certainly more than two "marginal" prospects.
Hill was aging out in the Atlantic League...Boston signed him first....very snappy sprint to being needed all over MLB right now...
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sullivan-fangraphs-chat-7816/
...Hill's being traded for "two marginal prospects."
Moya a is Brennan Bosch part II. Give him up.
Boesch had big holes in his swing but I think his big problem was he had no pitch selection skills. He swung at everything and once pitchers figured that out he was helpless. I think Moya already displayed that he is far advanced Boesch in that regard, even if he too isn't a walking machine.
I think he could have a richie sexson type career path. He's 24 and 6'7, too early write the book on him.
Come home Rich Trill
I dont know.
For one, talk about a hit (signing rich hill for 1 / 6 mill) and a miss (signing pelfrey 2 / 15).
Something about Rich Hill reminds me of Jarod Washburn.
I view Moya as a pretty substantial trade chip. I'm talking out of my ass here, but moving him to 1st and Cabrerra to DH seems like prudent move. I don't know if Moya has played first but hes pretty awful in right, and Cabrerra hasn't seemed right all year and I wonder if the daily grind is too much.
That of course would mean moving Victor so probably not going to happen, but I think that would be the better direction to go.
Washburn's advance stats that year we got him suggested that he was getting a lot of luck that first half before we got him. After we got him, not only did he even out, he got a little unlucky. Hill's advance stats are great. His era and FIP (usually the go to stat that tells you if they have been lucky or unlucky) are nearly identical.
Also, to be fair, Pelfrey has been fairly ok as a 5th starter. Half my gripes with him is how slow he pitches. The game crawls during his starts.
No. He's been awful.
He's actually been better that most think.
Definitely better than Sanchez and even Zimmerman lately.
if you have to start one of Pelfrey or Sanchez its an easy choice. 3 of the Pelfrey's last 4 starts have been very good. He might take you out of the game, but most games he's given us a chance. Sanchez can't say the same.
Pelfrey has also given up the most hits in the AL, so not saying he's been great or even good.
He's been bad. My gripe with it is they gave him a fucking two year deal to pitch below average.
I'll never accept that deal as sane. I'll be bitching to my grandkids in 25 years about how crappy that deal was. That being said, he's be serviceable in his last two starts...I don't expect it to last, but he picked a good time to make it happen.
I'll admit the $8 million a year is pretty nonsensical, but the point was never to add another ace to the rotation. It was to shore up the back end. Has he been wonderful, no, but he's also been the victim of some pretty rotten luck. His opponents' BABIP is sky-high, meaning his WHIP is due to come down, and his 4.58 ERA isn't horrendous. And his run support has been nothing but shit. The team has scored zero runs in four of his starts.
Pelfrey's not great or anything, but he's holding up the back end alright and that's allowed Shane Greene to go to the pen where he's been ten thousand zillion times better than as a starter, which is a massive help.
Rich Hill was an interesting documentary. Recommend it if you haven't seen it.
Didn't know he played bball.
Do it. Send Moya for him. Moya has probably peaked and is going to be a defensive liability wherever he ends up playing.
Not sure how you define "peaked", but I agree about the comment on his defense. He's terrible in the outfield, and has cost the club quite a few runs as of late. He'll hit plenty of bombs, but his average will probably live in the .230 range. Paired with crappy defense, I'm not sure it's worth hanging on to.
But what is "plenty of homers"? I dont think 40 is out of the question. With lots of club control left he's more valuable than you're crediting him.
Why would the As want Moyà. His approach to hitting is everything Billy Beane hates in a hitter. I would think the bidding begins with Norris and a top low class prospect. Norris is at least major league ready and cheap.
Norris has more trade value than Hill.
Not in a playoff race with most teams looking for starting pitching. First Norris isn't really young anymore and he has yet to rely turn his promise into consistent results. Hill is a real number two pitcher who is worth twice his value in July.
Norris only just turned 23. He certainly is still very darned young.
I watch every A's game that I can, even from Ann Arbor, and I can tell you that the opposition knows that they are getting a curveball, but still cannot hit it. (Also I do not like the run on sentence that I just wrote)
This is just silly. Pelfrey isn't even close to the worst thing on our team pitching wise. Anibal has been ATROCIOUS. I'd like to land Hill but not for Moya. How about dumping Goes after the run in with our future manager and sprinkle in Tyler Collins for good measure.
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Don't know what incident you are referring to with Gose but I gotta think guys who get demoted to AAA and do even worse in AAA for an extended period have trajectory outside of baseball.