I love the Tigers but there are some glaring holes on this team.
OT: Tigers release SS Alex Gonzalez
Indeed. Bullpen, catcher and SS are the major weaknesses of this team. Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot out there available to fill those holes, unless they pull of a trade. I don't think overpaying for Drew is a great idea at this point either.
(Or whenever the date is) at least.
Seriously the moment the June draft is over I'd be sitting on Drew's doorstep with a 1 year $15 million deal. Who knows maybe this is already in the works...
Drew's not worth it. He's basically an experienced Danny Worth.
Drew is a former all star. He is a big upgrade over Worth. I would roll with Romine until the amateur draft and give Drew as much money as he wants as long as it is a 1 year deal.
Between Romine and Gonzalez, you knew only one would make it. Just a stopgap.
The bullpen continues to be a major weakness.
That's what amazes me. The bullpen has been an issue for the past decade. Baffles me why they don't address it. Signing the corpse of Joe Nathan doesn't count
Grilli was such a gas gan, then he goes to Pittsburgh. Rodney did an ok job, we let him go to Tampa and had an amazing year and a good year. Maybe the bullpen is cursed because it's so close to Ford Field. . .
Grilli have the stuff but he added a pitch after he left Detroit which made him a dangerous RP.
Rodney always have the stuff. You know he has the ability to strike 3 hitters out with ease, but he has confidence issue. Change of scenary have done him good. His change-up may be arguably the best in the league.
It's an area of weakness, but with the hitters on this team I'd be fine with them signing a decent defender and putting him at the bottom of the order. Worth is a stop-gap, but hopefully around the trade deadline someone will become available for cheap.
Year to year, relief pitchers are always a crapshoot. That's really what the trading deadline is for. Come July the contenders can vulture the "hot" relievers from the rebuilding teams. Until then, I'm not going to sweat and will continue to trust in Dombrowski.
I agree. I actually don't ever worry about relievers because guys are inevitably available. Position players a bit less, but something should shake out, especially if all you need is a defensive guy. Hitters are harder to come by, but this team should be fine with a hole or two in the lineup.
If by the trade deadline, they can't sign Scherzer they should just trade him for best they can get. They can still try to get him as a free agent in the offseason. This might damage this season, but would be better long term.
There's no way they trade him if they're in the middle of a pennant hunt. Whether that's good for the long term or not there's no way to justify trading your 2nd best pitcher when you're trying to win a championship. If you can't re-sign him in the offseason just get the draft pick compensation and move on.
There is no way in hell we trade Max.
NO TALKS WITH MAX DURING THE SEASON
for a pending free agent pitcher who will be getting a huge contract.
The bullpen, catcher, etc. have been a weakness for a few years. No improvement. Dave needs to go. Seems like Fieldercould have brought more than a 2Basemen. Infante was ok vs. improving areas of need.
You either have unrealistic expectations as a fan
or are an idiot.
Also this is the first #FIREDUMBROWSKI post I have seen this year.
I am definitely not advocating firing Dave D. That said, I feel like he has made some questionable moves over the past five years or so and gets way too much credit for the tigers' success (vs ownership being willing to outspend everyone in the division)
Too much credit? The man is the master of the one sided trade, yes some free agent moves haven't worked out but Dombrowski has earned the praise that he deserves, as has Illitch.
We got the best hitter of this generation for Drew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Think about that.
Dombrowski isn't exactly a genius for the Cabrera deal. The Marlins have a history of shipping their players away to other teams for nothing as well.
Time will tell on the Fister trade, but right now it looks bad. I also question the renteria trade a few years back and a couple others.
Again, not saying he is doing a poor job, but people talk like he's never made a mistake and he alone is the reason the tigers are good. We outspend everyone in the division and had a pretty solid manager in Leyland for many years.
Because he traded a guy who statistically is the quality of a #2 starter for a marginal prospect, a garbage utility man, and a mediocre reliever. The odds of Robby Ray ever being as good as Doug Fister are about 5%. Dave has made mostly good moves, but he's made a few total stinkers. The Renteria deal was an obvious stinker from day 1, and the Fister deal looks like a pretty terrible move too. The fact that Fister has a minor injury right now doesn't change that.
Every GM makes a bad decision here and there, even the best ones. Fortunatly, Dave D's worst decisions haven't really hurt us that much.
Also, Dave D was the one that hired Leyland after everyone thought he was done and washed up. He also stuck with him and gave him an extension when many thought his job could be in trouble.
Over the last few years is failing to better shore up the bullpen. The bullpen has hurt us for years. In his defense they are also the hardest thing to predict year over year. But that to me is why we should have spent more every year to add another high quality late inning guy. You can't have enough depth there.
I agree that the Fister trade seems odd but I am willing to wait and see how Krol and Ray turn out. The Gonzalez trade was a rare brain fart made out of desperation so I'll let that one slide.
I don't agree with you here and it appears you don't know what you are talking about, but the Fister for Lambardozzi trade appears bad. They traded Lombardozzi for Gonzalez who everyone thought would be released. He was, but by our team, while Lombardozzi is hitting .286 (I know, sample size). Just looks like a string of irrational decisions by Dombrowski triggered by being caught ill-prepared with the Iglesias injury.
I would agree, it does appear bad. But since Tigers also got Krol who has been one of the steadiet reliever, and a decently rated prospect for an injured Fister, I would say the trade doesn't appear too terrible at the moment.
In a month or so I may change my tune, but so far so good.
...exactly how good were the Tigers before Dombrowski arrived? Illitch had owned the team for more than a decade and hadn't accomplished shit before Dombrowski came to Detroit.
I find that idea pretty funny. Fielder had negative trade value. Getting someone useful for a player they could not have given away is a damn good deal.
Exactly. Everyone thought DD worked magic trading Fielder and that contract for Kinsler. I'm loving the dimension Kinsler brings to Detroit.
I think it's crazy that some people are pissed thag DD isnt perfect. Name 3 gm's you'd rather have?
They need to figure out what to do with Avila. He's a bum. Yet ANOTHER strikeout.
Aaaaand 3 AB's 3 K's. B-u-m.
...Avila a "bum" is a bit harsh. I'll concede that his hitting is abysmal these days but a catcher plays a big role beyond just hitting. He's (perhaps arguably) half the equation in the performance of the pitching staff. And given the success of Detroit pitching in recent years (especially the starting pitching), it's hard to fault Avila on that end of his job.
Would I like a better hitting catcher on the Tigers? Yes, of course. But where exactly do you find this perfect catcher? Of the 30 MLB catchers (presumably the 30 best in the world), who exactly do the Tigers acquire to take over this role tomorrow? If you look at it objectively then the pickings are pretty slim.
Catchers are overrated when it comes to this. The Tiger starters have enough talent that Almost anyone back at catcher who can't hit would be given this compliment: "well, at least he calls a good game for this staff - he handles the pitchers very well." Amazing how our bullpen still sucks when Avila catches. It's because it's 99% the pitcher. And Avila can't throw out runners either.
Avila's lack of throwing out runners is affected by our pitchers inability to hold runners, particularly Sanchez and Verlander last year.
Oh vey Miguel is in a funk right now.
I would have to think that, at 37 years old, this move probably is the end or near the end for Alex Gonzalez in the pros. It was a move that I wasn't sure about only because it has been a few years since Gonzalez has had a really attractive OPS and as I recall, he had not played much at shortstop in recent years.
I am inclined to believe that a Romine / Worth platoon might be an offensive and defensive upgrade at the present, though I could be wrong there. I know Ausmus insisted publicly that Gonzalez still could handle things at SS, and maybe he saw something no one else did, but in the end, obviously Gonzalez was not the answer.
Meanwhile, Lombardozzi is tearing it up in Baltimore. I really thought Lombo was a solid part of the Fister deal, now that deal makes even less sense.
You're absolutely right. As an Orioles fan (Tigers are my second-favorite team but I'm from Baltimore) Lombardozzi for Gonzalez was considered a real coup, he is a great addition for this team so far. Honestly I am not sure what the Tigers were thinking at the time- Lombardozzi is still a young player with defensive versatility. Gonzalez was never considered a long-term part of the O's future, but fans are excited about Lombardozzi as a role player for them.
As a Nats fan, Lombo is missed. But it's been great to see him do so well with the O's.
i still don't get that trade. Lombo could have platooned at SS a bit. At worst he's a solid utility for the next several years. Instead DD trades him for a recently released old washed up SS. Can't imagine what he was thinking on that one.
He's one of the best defensive catchers in baseball, but I'd rather the Tigers pursue a catcher who can hit above .275.
Of which there were exactly six in all of the major leagues last year, with minimum 400 PAs. Nine were above .260. Where do you propose to find such a catcher?
Brayan Pena would've been a good one to keep around, even if only to spell Avila. While his career BA is just sub .260, he hit well last year and is off to a good start this year.
So you're right, they would have trouble picking up a hitting catcher, but they had one in Pena.
can't we just sign a Cuban?
I'd like to officially start the "don't expect anything from Avila at the plate " petition. Sign up here. If we can all agree he's not going to bring anything to the plate, will all be better off mentally. Let's just assume he is the signal caller they say he is and go with that.
The occasional hr at a meaningless time
Small Nepotism factor. He was an all star...once.
his dad works in the front office, i believe. good luck getting rid of him.
Move Omar Vizquel from 1st base coach to SS.
I trust the tigers. They have a history of winning and sure they haven't won the world series but until they don't make the playoffs I'm going to have faith in them to get it done.