Matt fucking Stairs? See, that's why you're getting negged. You think a guy who hits .194-5-17 swings a better bat than .230-27-84.
OT: Tigers re-sign Inge
I think Matt Stairs dreams of kittens having a tea party at night, like I do. It's why I like him and think he is an awesome player who should be dragged out there even though he is fucking terrible day in and day out, you know, because he is like me and I feel bad for him or some other completely non relevent reason to keep a player who sucks mounds of flesh flute.
/see what I did there?
Oh, like you're any less biased. Again: Find someone better. That's on the market right now, and available. Inge Sux is not a strategy or a plan. Neither is Anybody Would Be Better. No, they would not.
The irrational Inge hate is definitely worse than the irrational Inge love.
Btw, aside from being one of the two best defensive 3Bs in the AL, Inge was 5th in OPS last season among AL 3Bs.
pretty much lost his job down the stretch.
You say the emotional part of it like it's a bad thing. First off it's an economic decision. If 5% of the attendance this season at Tigers games is because there are people who went to see a certain player, then that's worth taking into account. Not every Tiger fan is hardcore, win-at-all-costs. Lot of people go to see the actual players. Lots of Yankee fans want to see Derek Jeter, not the Yankees' shortstop.
Second, those people have a point. Do you want the Tigers to win? Or do you want to see a winning club comprised of nine random players that happen to wear the Tigers' logo?
I disagree with all of you about Inge. This is a professional sports team, not some fucking charity. I am all for rooting for a student athlete even though he may not produce because I like him or he had sex with my daughter and didn't tell the whole school (what a gentleman), but in the pros? Win or go home, brother.
Inge fucking sucks and to answer your question I pay to see the Tigers win games and if you are wearing a Tigers hat you are indeed a Tiger. Hell I would love to see my old man out there, but they don't sign him to a fucking contract although he could probably swing the bat better than creaky knees Inge. Also, nice facial hair Inge. What are you fucking 16?
Now I agree with you that Inge is pretty much garbage at a position that needs to produce runs. He was an elite defender which is why they've held onto him for so long, but he is a career .237 hitter, who is almost always 2nd on the team in strikeouts next to then grandy, now a-jax.
I honestly feel with Peralta you would see a decline defensively but he performed well in a Tiger's Uni, and has enough pop in his bat to be an upgrade at 3B. Inge is a fan favorite but so was Grandy and they let him go. Inge just reminds me of Bobby Higginson his last few years in Detroit. That's not good.
That's all I'm saying (amongst my myriad insults). The guy just isn't good enough offensively ata position where that has to be there. If he was a world class defensive 2B who had a .237 I wouldn't say shit (WHY DID WE GET RID OF POLANCO? GOD WHY?!?!), but he is unfortunately a 3B and you have to get well above average power there to succeed.
The Phils were out of there mind with the amount of scratch they gave him. 3 years/$18mil is insane.
I'll take that risk on a career .300 hitter, who can also hit at the top of the lineup, with his average defense. We didn't lose games this year because our defense blew. We lost games because our bottom of the order sucked. So we bring back one of those bottom three. Inge's defense is still great, but I would prefer someone who's going to have productive at-bats.
And Inge is no spring chicken either. He's well into his 30s and players typically do not start hitting for average this late in their career.
Posted in the wrong place - disregard.
Just did the math, he switched positions for the 2005 season his BA from 2005-2010 is still only .239
Edit: Sorry didn't see the disregard.
And they have not released the financial terms for the 2 year deal. If the terms are resonable...3 million per or in that ball park...then I can deal with the signing. Anything over 4 million per is too much. He is a good defender, but still cannot hit. If the money is reasonable, I can live with it.
if its worth more than 4m a season they got hosed. But that's what the Tigers do.... I'm sure the bottom three of the Tigers' order will be a veritble black hole again...
Oh well, here's to another third place finish that is only close until the all star break whent hey inevitably fall apart and make you wonder how they were in it in the first place.
You must be a really happy person to hang out with. The bottom three in any lineup save the Yankees is a boat load of stink. The Tigers starting falling behind in the standings this year because of injuries up and down the lineup and no team that is starting 4 or 5 rookies a night is going to be a world beater. But I'm glad you're super depressed about next year already.
I'm not super depressed about anything. I just know that the Tigers make befuddling personnel decisions routinely. AND they've had two quality seasons in in my LIFETIME. AND they've only finished above 3rd six times in my life. AND players like Brandon Inge are case in point why they continue to be lousy. I'm optomistic about things that deserve to be. Teams like the Lions and Tigers that simply have not shown they can make the right decisions or perform will be treatedly with extreme skepticism until they prove it.
[EDIT] how about last year? why did they fail to make the playoffs least year? and the year before? and the year before? why did they fade down the stretch the world series year? Were those all rookie-related collapses, too?
Not to start a fight, but how old are you? Two quality seasons in your lifetime? I'm under 30, and they were good for most of the 80's and recently made some nice runs recently. Sure, they sucked for virutally all of the 90s and early 00s, but talk to a Pirates/Royals fan if you want to see extended sucking.
And I don't see how they have made any more horrible decisions than most other teams. They have been drafting reasonably well, turned a couple of hyped-but-unproven prospects (Andrew Willer and Cameron Maybin) into Miguel Cabrera (and yes, Willis was a bad signing), and have remained relevant in recent years. They are not the Yankees/Red Sox so injuries will slow them down considerably, but they are still an above-average team that can make a run every once and a while. I'll take that.
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|2008||Detroit Tigers||American League||74||88||.457||14.5||3,202,645|
|2007||Detroit Tigers||American League||88||74||.543||8.0||3,047,139|
|2006||Detroit Tigers||American League||95||67||.586||1.0||2,595,937|
|2005||Detroit Tigers||American League||71||91||.438||28.0||2,024,505|
|2004||Detroit Tigers||American League||72||90||.444||20.0||1,917,005|
|2003||Detroit Tigers||American League||43||119||.265||47.0||1,368,245|
|2002||Detroit Tigers||American League||55||106||.342||39.0||1,503,623|
|2001||Detroit Tigers||American League||66||96||.407||25.0||1,921,305|
|2000||Detroit Tigers||American League||79||83||.488||16.0||2,533,753|
|1999||Detroit Tigers||American League||69||92||.429||27.5||2,026,491|
|1998||Detroit Tigers||American League||65||97||.401||24.0||1,409,391|
|1997||Detroit Tigers||American League||79||83||.488||19.0||1,365,157|
|1996||Detroit Tigers||American League||53||109||.327||39.0||1,168,610|
|1995||Detroit Tigers||American League||60||84||.417||26.0||1,180,979|
|1994||Detroit Tigers||American League||53||62||.461||18.0||1,184,783|
|1993||Detroit Tigers||American League||85||77||.525||10.0||1,971,421|
|1992||Detroit Tigers||American League||75||87||.463||21.0||1,423,963|
|1991||Detroit Tigers||American League||84||78||.519||7.0||1,641,661|
|1990||Detroit Tigers||American League||79||83||.488||9.0||1,495,785|
|1989||Detroit Tigers||American League||59||103||.364||30.0||1,543,656|
|1988||Detroit Tigers||American League||88||74||.543||1.0||2,081,162|
|1987||Detroit Tigers||American League||98||64||.605||-||2,061,830|
|1986||Detroit Tigers||American League||87||75||.537||8.5||1,899,437|
|1985||Detroit Tigers||American League||84||77||.522||15.0||2,286,609|
|1984||Detroit Tigers||American League||104||58||.642||-||2,704,794|
|1983||Detroit Tigers||American League||92||70||.568||6.0||1,829,636|
|1982||Detroit Tigers||American League||83||79||.512||12.0||1,636,058|
|1981||Detroit Tigers||American League||60||49||.550||2.0||1,149,144|
|1980||Detroit Tigers||American League||84||78||.519||19.0||1,785,293|
I'm 24. They were decent in 87 and 06. the rest...balls.
Your definition of decent is way too high. They were definitely decent in 88, 91, 07, and 09, when they competed for a playoff spot and had winning seasons. Perhaps they weren't ultimately successful seasons (defining success as a playoff berth), but they were decent in that the team was fairly good and they were in the hunt for most of the year.
2006: The team massively overperformed in 2006. Some of our pitchers struggled down the stretch and our lineup was harmed when Polanco was injured against Boston (injured shoulder while making a great catch), leading to the use of Neifi Perez.
2007: The arms of our starting rotation exploded in August. Pitchers like Robertson and Bonderman did not have the best seasons of their careers as they did in 06. Cleveland overperformed and had a tremendous finish to the season, going 96-66.
2008: Sheffield and Renteria had absolutely horrendous seasons. Renteria in particular was far worse than anticipated. Verlander had his worst year to date by far. Our best pitcher was Armando Galarraga (no offense to him, but he's not an ace). That said, Dombrowski is squarely responsible for the failure of the rotation, because it was reliant on some grouping of Rogers (age issues), Bonderman (health issues), Robertson (health issues and not a good pitcher anyway), and Willis (who inexplicably got an extension).
2009: The lineup was horrendous for several reasons. First of all, Everett and Laird were pegged as everyday players and we went into the year hoping the core of the lineup could get it done. This was then compounded by Ordonez's struggles and Guillen's inability to shake his injury problem. As a result, our outfield often featured a number of mediocre to poor players including Thames, Thomas, and Josh Anderson, among others (I won't count Raburn since 2009 was a career year for him). We also had issues at the bottom of the rotation, but everyone else did too. We attempted to fix some of these issues during the season, but Jarrod Washburn and Aubrey Huff both were awful beyond anyone's expectations. Despite all these issues, the Tigers managed to somewhat inexplicably come very close to making the playoffs.
2010: We never had much of a shot with the deadweight on our roster. This was the year where the litany of bad contracts really really hurt us. We had known holes at second base (we hoped that Sizemore would do well, but when you're starting rookies at multiple positions, somebody's not going to pan out), catcher (Laird/Avila rotation), and shortstop (Everett/Santiago). We also saw Porcello take a step back this year. This team was expected to be mediocre and it was.
Conclusion: The Tigers have made a mix of good and bad decisions over the past several years. On the good side, we have a number of trades, including the Cabrera/Willis deal (Cabrera panned out, nobody else that we traded did) and the Granderson trade (reduced expenses and got better value than what we gave up). We also have drafted fairly well, especially when you look at Porcello and Perry's talent (whether they should have gotten more time in the minors is another story). On the bad side is a number of extensions, including those given to Sheffield, Willis, Bonderman, and Robertson, as well as the Renteria/Jurrjens trade. It is also a fair question as to whether we are giving our pitchers enough time in the minors before calling them up.
Ilitch and Dombrowski have shown a tendency to take gambles. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. Part of the reason the Tigers became respectable in the first place was because they invested in risks like Rodriguez, Ordonez, and Rogers. That said, they've also made some very poor gambles, especially with regards to the Sheffield and Willis extensions. A lot of money comes off the books this offseason, so this is the year to turn the Tigers into a playoff team. It's an open question whether Dombrowski can pull it off.
Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, re-signing Inge was a great move because Brandon Inge is the best player in the history of baseball and anyone who says differently is a terrible person with no redeeming qualities whatsoever...
OK, not really. But I like Inge and he's a good defensive player whose bat is by no means good, but is acceptable for a bottom of the order hitter.
I tihnk you hinted at it with the "exploding arms" comment, but Bonderman was arguably one of the top 5 pitchers in the AL going into the All-Star break. When that clot developed he was developing into a great pitcher. It's part of the reason he could come back next year and give it another go...at a reasonable price.
Sandoval is terrible. There's 4 good offensive 3b in the game right now. Sometimes MLB replacement level is more expensive and a better play than mystery straw man nonexistant free agent.
Wright, Arod ( not worth 33 million), Zimmerman, Longoria is the list. Betre has a history of perfroming in a contract year and crapping in other years.
Edit: Michael Young is pretty good too, but doesnt generate power.
Inge seems to always brings about a debate between fans on his value.... So many people love the guy and so many people hate the guy, and as a spokesman and advertiser for the team he obviously sparks a lot of attention and debate.
One item I never hear in these debates is his added value to the franchise - There must be an added value from him in merchandising, advertising, and ticket sales which we cannot quantify...
It'll be interesting to see what the new contract is.
Inge is a class act, good to have him back in Detroit.
I'm happy he's back. For all his warts, he plays solid defense and can provide some power in the bottom half of the lienup. 2 years sounds about right, and since it isn't my money (and I doubt he broke the bank), I'm fine with having a solid veteran on the team.
Looking at 3 year avg, from '08-10, of all 3B w/ min 300 plate appearances (40 qualified), Inge ranks in the following categories:
I would posbang this until it couldn't walk if I could. excellent post.
Do you have a source for those numbers?
EDIT: Sorry for the double post.
His batting stats align more with someone making in the low $3,000,000 range. His versatility and fielding, plus maybe additional premium for what he means to merchandising, would put him a little higher than 3 mil. We'll see once the finacials are made available.
I like the resigning of Inge, because they got him for so cheap watch for them to make some huge splashes in the free agent market this year.
Inge has been a has been for years
5.5 million each of the next two years with a club option for 6 million for a third year. Way overpaid for a player that under produces. On the plus side he will have a chance to make his Tigers strike out record untouchable.
...is what I was afraid of. I'm fine with Inge at 3rd if we were paying him Adam Everett money....oh maybe even a little more than Everett....but $6 mil a year? Ack.
he's retire a Tiger.......