They are pathetic right now.
I thought that myself when I read that article that talked about a Data Scientist(tm)
They are pathetic right now.
but this franchise is greatly overrated. No team gets less with more than the Tigers. Verlander is in a year -ong funk, the bullpen blows, and the hitting is awful past the 7th inning. The Tigers are not going to win a World Series anytime soon with the team Dombrowski has assembled.
Oh, and Mike Ilitch turned 84 today.
I shouldn't need to comment further on the sense of urgency regarding this team.
Tribe and the Tigers both lost today. This might not be as bad as the NL West from a few years ago (when the Padres won the division at 82-80), but it's close.
have been so far, I would be pretty shocked if the Tigers don't have at least 90 wins at the end of season, assuming they acquire another reliable bullpen arm. The Indians on the other hand have a much lower ceiling, assuming they don't go out and acquire a true ace pitcher, which I don't see happening.
Casually waiting for someone to blame this loss on Leyland.
Well I don't need to finish this game I'm watching on DVR now!
Arghhhh... Commence panic... Not really, but this has been a frustrating season despite being 8 games over .500
Outside of closer, is there any position we would upgrade? First, no. Second? No. Short. Not really. Third. Obviously not. Right? No. Center? No. Left...maybe, I guess. Ace? No. Number two? No. I guess you could try to get cliff lee or something for Fister? Would we do that? No.
So...we need a closer. They play 162 for a reason.
That's the maddening part. Lots of great pieces but the results are mediocre. Just like last year in the regular season.
Aside from obvious bullpen help they could probably use some bench help as well. With Omar still not back from the DL and Santiago continuing to flounder at the plate it would be wise to try and find some depth at 2nd or Short.
a save yet as the closer and has been lights out, so I don't agree that they need a closer. They need another reliable bullpen arm, whether that is a set up guy or a closer really doesn't matter.
Castellanos has been hitting very well in AAA and will do more for the team in left than Dirks or Tuiassasoppo can do. I don't understand why he hasn't been brought up.
I don't think they will go far in the playoffs, if they win the central. There will not be a wildcard from the central division that is for sure! But it could be worse, remember the Tigers in the mid and late 70s, then again in the 90s. At least they are more competitive in recent years.
And lest we forget 2003...
Mike Maroth lost 20 games
I know you are just getting down voted because you are a dueschebag, because that was funny...
good work out of you... for once.
Tigers always have a hard time in Kansas City. Deep breaths.
The Tigers are grossly underachieving. They play in a horrid division, possess a $130 million playroll, and the best they can do is 8 games over .500?
They showed a stat during the game that the Tiger's were 15-8 against KC the last two years. KC always seems to play the Tigers tough, in terms of close games, but I wouldn't say they have had a hard time winning games against KC.
doesn't need to go, Lloyd mcclendan does. Guy is a terrible hitting coach. Getting two hits with that lineup shows his in game adjustments are awful.
Can Leyland bat for guys late in the game? This team is built to slug the ball, there is only so much Leyland can do if they aren't doing that late in the games. He can't simply run into outs by calling steals late in the game with a team lacking in speed. Other than hit and running and pinch hitting guys to get more favorable matchups (which he does), what else could he do to try and create runs late in the games? Perfect example of that was tonight in the 8th, he played small ball to try and get runs by sac bunting with Jackson, but the next two batters didn't come through to drive the runs in, that is on the players not Leyland.
The other half of that equation is the bullpen. The Tigers don't have enough reliable arms in the bullpen at the moment that Leyland can count on, how exactly is that his fault? He has to go with the guys he has, other than Smyly and Benoit his reliable options are somewhat limited.
I will say if the Tigers don't go deep into the playoffs, it may be time for the Tigers and Leyland to part ways, but more so to get a different voice in the clubhouse, because Leyland is not a bad manager when it comes to in game decisions.
Not necessarily disagreeing with your posts, hell that's mainly how I feel as well but some of Leyland's late game tactics can be questioned.
Tonight for example in the 8th Aaron Crow couldn't find the plate and with 2 men on nobody out he asked Jackson to lay down a sac bunt, that's a fine strategy and all but twice AJ worked himself into a great hitters count and Crow was missing the plate pretty badly. To have one of your best hitters have to lay down a bunt on a 3-1 count when the pitcher clearly doesn't have it is pretty asinine. Now obviously this strategy works if Torii or Miggy get the runner in from 3rd but they didn't so its open for debate.
swung the bats I think one of them coming through was a reasonable bet to make. The issue I have with people is they criticize Leyland when he doesn't play small ball and goes the slug the ball route, and than turn around and criticize him when he does play small ball as well. That is a no win situation.
I also would not claim that Leyland is perfect when it comes his decision making (leaving Coke in to face right handed batters for example). He makes mistakes, but people really need to watch some other teams if they think any manager in the league always makes the correct decision.
Like I said the issue I have with Leyland at the moment, is related to the fact that this team doesn't seem to have a consistent focus game to game, and while alot of that is on the players, some of that issue also stems back to the manager. May be a situation where the players need a new voice. I still believe Leyland is a good manager in most respects, but it might be one of those type of situations.
Oh I know the situation tonight is obviously hindsight, I'm willing to admit that and I consider myself a Leyland defender but Jackson is crushing 3-1 pitches to a tune of a 1.750 OPS, let the kid do some damage on the fastball coming down Woodward.
batting average. most of those guys coach themselves anyway. When a lineup like that gets TWO HITS that tells me the hitting coach did not have them prepared for that pitcher. With the talent in that lineup they should be getting at least three runs a game
this year, everytime they look like they are going to take off they drop a series to an inferior team. Obviously, this team needs another arm in the bullpen, though I disagree with the notion that it has to be a closer since Benoit has been perfect so far as the closer. Others have already said it, but despite the issues in the pen with the pieces this team has there is no reason why they shouldn't be runing away with this division.
I am pretty concerned with Verlander at the moment though, he has not been himself at all this year, if this team is going to go deep in the playoffs again they need JV to start looking like JV. Avila is the other guy that concerns me, it is baffling how much he is struggling considering he was an All-Star only two years ago. Hopefully he is not a one hit wonder type of player.
As far as Leyland goes I have always been somebody who has defended Leyland for the most part, but if this team doesn't go deep in the playoffs it might be time for him and the Tigers to part ways. I don't know if it is his managing style, or what, but there is a lack of focus from this team on a day to day basis. I understand Leyland's philosophy about not getting to upset about a loss, it makes perfect sense considering how long the season is, but I am not sure this team values each game as much as they should.
At the end of the day I still believe this team is capable of winning a World Series, assuming they make a deal for a bullpen piece, but for that to happen they have to start playing more consistent and need guys like JV to start peforming.
is quite liberal. Inconsistent and underachieving sure, but I think about half of the teams in the league and their fans would trade spots with a team 8 games over .500 in a second.
If said nuke was dropped on Detroit, would you please take your tired gimmick there?
The tigers are underachevining, that's it.
Dude, go home. (1) the Tigers are the defending AL champs and are currently leading their division, again. (2) If you've ever spent any time in Detroit, you'd know that it is, despite all popular misconceptions, a pretty cool city. Does it have its problems? Of course. But, it is rich in tradition and has lots more going for it than many other cities in the country.
Need another bullpen arm, doesn't have to be a closer IMO. Like someone else mentioned, another utility infielder would be good but probably not a necessity. In addition to a bullpen arm, I think they need a major upgrade in left field. Dirks has not been good for over a month and Tui...is not an everyday player IMO. I'm not sure who is available, but I don't think anybody on their roster is the answer in left.
They were in it until Hunter and Cabrera grounded out to end the 8th. Heck, Leyland even had AJ bunt the runners into scoring position just prior to that flying in the face of the common fan complaint that Leyland doesn't try to manufacture runs. Seems to me that the 2 All Stars had bad at-bats at the wrong time.
They're not perfect. Can't win every game. Sometimes, I think the expectations are a little high for these guys.
Well Tigers fans at least your mangager doesn't bat a guy with a sub .300 OBP in the leadoff spot. Also you didn't waste a huge FA contract on a guy who has brought absolutely nothing to the team. I mean I guess I can't really complain with the division lead, but given the choice between Leyland and Fredi Gonalez, I'd take the former 10 out of 10 times.
They just have to concentrate on winning series...then they should be fine until the playoffs. At least we play well against Cleveland!